No, but this one has a bust of a head with one hand on the top, in apparent anguish. It is a truly nauseating site, devoted to families who play the victims of "us."

         Worse yet, it hawks the writing of Maxine Aston, who has publicly said that asperger's should be legal grounds to declare somebody an unfit parent.

                                   Jerry Newport

I think you and amy are talking about the same site!!

http://www.faa as.org

A truly disgusting site. Aspophobic in the extreme!

This reminds me of a piece of advice that I once read, from someone who works as a marriage counsellor "We are all ultimately responsible for our own happiness, and we all have to accept responsibility for our own state of mind".

If being in a relationship with someone with AS is so terrible, why don't these whingers simply remove themselves from these relationships?

This really reminds me of Diane Kennedy's book on ADHD and Autism. Never read such utter nonsensical drivel in my life!

This has been asked a few times on one of the most notorious (to my knowledge) "anti-AS fora" on Delphi, "AS Partners". (Seriously don't go there if you're easily offended, and don't bother giving them a piece of your mind, they just won't post it) Strangely enough the questions were either ignored or attacked  :roll:

IMHO people like that love to have their "***-pie" (as they call their spouses) around so they have someone to put down and ridicule for their own perverted amusement.  :cry:

Thats a good one.  They say that aspies are claiming that they are discriminating against them.  I wonder if that is true or they just chose to take it that way when they were corrected.  Only one way to find out...

I could say the same things about my neurotypical parent. I was raised as though I was an NT like my parent. I was held captive to my NT parent's obsession with attending social events. I remember many long boring miserable hours spent at noisy parties, wishing I could find something interesting to read or play with.

If I had the time I would start a whinger web site for aspie offspring of NT parents.

and I don't think it deserves to either.

           I heard it from a friend who is in AANE and ANI. I will ask him about that.

                                   Jerry

and it wasn't the piece of writing that I thought she was refering to. I have read a lot of the book cited and I don't recall much about what Attwood wrote in it about any spectrum of Asperger's behaviour in relationships.

I honestly wouldn't describe either my own or my aspie husband's behaviour in our relationship as either passive or arrogant and aggressive. Sure enough, our behaviour might look unusual to outsiders, but we like it. There is no violence in our relationship.

When I had a couple of NT boyfriends before I met my husband, one certainly could have described my behaviour as passive. I showed not much enthusiasm or initiative in those relationships because I wasn't sure that I wanted to be in them and I didn't know what was going on half the time. The more I read about relationship problems that are supposed to be caused by AS the more I suspect that the main problem is incompatibility between NT and AS rather than AS itself. But most of the experts, including Attwood, write that people with AS have problems with relationships, but they don't tell the full story; people with AS have problems with relationships with neurotypical people.

Here is a link to an Attwood interview about AS and relationships which I do not like, because he describes people with AS as being inadequate in any kind of relationship. I know it isn't the truth.
http://www.autismconnect.org/core_files/interviews/transcripts/tony_attwood.htm

Kind and gentle: no problem with either of those (but who would be attracted to a man who was unkind and insensitive?)
But immature? No way would I find that attractive. I never liked to see adults behaving immaturely when I was a child (that's why I disliked clowns). My main reasons for giving up on the AS support groups in Windsor and Exeter was because they were dominated by certain immature, annoying individuals - so much for Einstein being a typical Aspie!
And as for obsessive attention - not sure what is meant by this. I personally have no wish to be showered with fripperies and knick-knacks. Can't understand why girls are supposed to get all excited about a bloke owning a particular model of car.

         Hey!!  I didn't write that. Maxine Aston did. I quoted her. I get enough criticism without being blamed for stuff I didn't write. Please be more careful about how you quote what people say.

                                 Jerry Newport

Yeah I see several parents on Babycenter (a parenting site) ASD Board that are 'clients' of his. Ugh!

          Steve Shore is a mixed blessing. He doesn't publicly buy into any of the bizarre theories of the boards he is on but he will sit on literally any board in order to use it to line up more speaking appearances. He doesn't get it and I have given up trying to educate him on how what he does is not in our interests. He is a professional autistic poster boy.

          Rather than try to find other peers who can sit on boards and actually make a contribution, Steve is happy to sit on every board in sight and be everyone's token. Totally self serving. I don't make a habit of criticizing my peers in public but this is a warranted exception.

          On the other hand, his presentations and books are very good and he has never embarassed us as some public auties have done.

               Nobody's perfect.

                              Jerry Newport

No that is true,   I wonder which public auties you refer to??  You never gave one way or another about my protests. I wonder if you are refereing to that? if so please explain what you think and why.

Some property developers are building some luxury flats on a brownfield site next to Exeter Central station. The name of the development? Platform 101.

"We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness..."

         I never said anything about what you did because I never noticed it. I certainly don't think protesting embarasses us. I referred to behavior on the part of people not on this list which has set us back, particularly the behavior of some people who were board members of autism organizations.

                    Jerry

I've read them, but I can't see how they make it a rotten site? Could you quote something?

I might be smart-arsed, scatter-brained old kook, but at least I know how to spell!

jeesh

always a killjoy in the group eh?

          I reluctantly agree with you. Lots of parents are big on self-pity. They love to play the victim.

                                  Jerry Newport

I think it is pervasive in our public discourse these days -- everything feels like a "heartbreaking affliction" when you hold the expectation that everything in life should be perfectly aligned with societal expectations and directly under your control -- and that you are a victim if this is not the case.  If it's not the "heartbreak" of autism, it's the heartbreak of deafness or food allergies or just about anything else you can think of.  

And where do they find these TV newscasters who can seemingly summon tears to their eyes on demand, as they interview the parents of the poor afflicted autistic child (or the child with a club foot or a congenitally dislocated elbow or what have you)?  

I wish all those people could understand that my autistic child is FABULOUS.  The only time I felt afflicted was during the diagnosis period when for about a week, the doctors announced that they needed to rule out a brain tumor.  The minute I found out that, no, it was "just" autism, I breathed a sigh of relief and got on with enjoying my weird, wonderful, magical, brilliant, different-from-everyone-else-on-the-planet child.  

But even more importantly, I wish that across the board, we could stop being a society of eager victims, rushing to identify with the latest pathology or syndrome so that we can massage each others self-pity about it.  What is that all about?

Otherwise known as playing the sympathy card. Princess Diana was particularly fond if this. Watching the infamous Martin Bashir interview nearly a decade ago, I was reminded of Katie Roiphe's polemical book The Morning After: Sex, fear and feminism in which she critcized the willingness of feminists to embrace the role of the victim. Small wonder that Diana was hailed as some great feminist icon!

Not sure whether it was always the sympathy card she was playing. She was only second in Charles' life, not first, to Camilla and Charles ruined that. I can't see how one could fault her unhappiness knowing that the man she married had rather married his mistress. Charles wasn't exactly innocent of adultery after all.

Would you mind explaining why? Do you object to the claim that AS is not defined by anxiety and that having social anxiety doesn't make one autistic?

I know.

I do not currently experience social anxiety. I tend to avoid social situations mainly because I believe that I have little in common with most people. Social situations do not make me feel particularly nervous, though.

Anxiety is common but it is not an integral part of it and not required for diagnosis, so there is nothing wrong with stating that while Social Anxiety is defined by anxiety, AS is not.

Putting AS on the same level as a psychological problem that can be overcome with therapy and is based on mild paranoia and self-consciousness seems bizarre to me. There's already enough people with AS who get told they just have some psychological problem (rather than AS) like social anxiety - why should there be more?

Sorry, I have no social anxiety. Yes I find eye contact unconfortable but I don't worry endlessly about what others think of me, feel constantly self-conscious and worry about people thinking I am ugly, clumsy, incompetent etc. etc.

I couldn't care less about what others think of me to be honest and most of the time I am not aware of people or what they may or may not think of me.

I know several people with AS or HFA (some in real, more online) who are the same.

I didn't only mention worries about what I look like, I included much more than that (it is worry about what others think of you, about having to perform etc.).

And I do know what social anxiety is (a German girl on an AS forum has both and I looked into this extensively at the time) and no I have none of those things. (I do have issues with experiencing emotion while being watched - like I can't feel enjoyment or surprise when opening gifts when being watched - but this is only with the very few people I am close to, because unless I am very close to someone I don't register them much in an emotional kind of sense)

Yes there are ways in which people can be "anxious about social encounters" for many reasons (including social ineptitude, multitasking, sensory issues etc.) but that is not the same as the diagnosis of "social anxiety". (See definitions below)

And:

One BIG difference is that someone with AS will still have difficulty interacting with people even when the people are familiar (or the situation is familiar), whereas for someone with social anxiety, it is mostly strangers that tend to be a problem (because of the fear of judgement and scrutiny).

Yes Amy you can experience "anxiety in social situations" but the website Wolfy referred to deals with "Social Anxiety" according to the DSM, which is defined by worries about how you are perceived, performance anxiety etc.

You are free to make up your own definitions of social anxiety but please accept that when people are discussing what is commonly known as "Social Anxiety", you have to accept that what they say refers to this concept and not the concept you have decided to call "Social Anxiety".

It helps to make clear that you are not talking of *the* Social Anxiety when mentioning it, as this makes things a lot less confusing.

A woman once caused a lot of pain on a German forum because she, who has diagnosed HFA, hurt people by storming on there and declaring that AS was a severe personality disorder etc. etc.

Only weeks later did she admit that she did not understand what "Personality Disorders" were, but just defined PDs as "a personality that is a bit different".

If she had bothered to state this right from the start, she could have avoided a lot of hurt and anger.

I didnt say anything about AS being defined by anxiety.  My argument is that anxiety is a PART of AS.  It is a 'secondary effect' if you will.  Only a tiny handful dont experience it.  That site implies that all people with AS dont experience anxiety in social situations.  If one was to take that information at face value then they would misdiagnose about 99% of AS cases as social anxiety.

That is my argument.  I really dont knwo how you could have missed my point.

I agree with that - but you listed a website that tries to differentiate AS from social phobia by stating that AS is not defined by anxiety as a "rotten autism site". And I'm sorry but AS isn't defined by anxiety, anxiety is not the central symptom in AS! Ergo, the website isn't wrong!

Admittedly, they could have worded it better, but are you not perhaps just reading things into it because of your own experiences (of being told you don't have AS because you had OCD or anxiety or something - I don't remember exactly)?

If you look at that text in context they were discussing what is "at the center" of a condition, and with social phobia (as with all anxiety disorders), extreme and often irrational anxiety about social performance is the core common symptom, whereas AS is not defined by any type of anxiety, be that social or otherwise.

Because the gist of that page is still true - if a person's main symptom is chronic anxiety and fears about being judged by others, then it is more likely to be social anxiety than AS.

With AS most do end up experiencing some type of anxiety and some do develop social anxiety, but while many with AS EXPERIENCE these types of problems, AS is not caused by humiliating social experiences and low self esteem (and can therefore not be therapied away).

Perhaps it might be a good idea to E-Mail them to ask if they could clarify this statement, so they change it to "while people with AS can experience anxiety alongside with their symptoms, or as a result thereof, the syndrome itself is not defined by persistent anxiety states, and the social difficulties people with AS can experience are real and not founded on irrational worries".

Yes, but "social anxiety" is not an emotion, it is a term for a specific anxiety disorder, and that was the context in which both Wolfy and myself used the term.

"Social Anxiety" is defined by worries about how you are perceived and similar things, worries about being inadequate and so on. It is a diagnostic concept that describes a very specific type of anxiety disorder that is related to social encounters, in particular with unfamiliar people where you worry about being judged and about not being "good enough" for their expectations.

While some with AS also develop "social anxiety", the whole point of that page on the website Wolfy linked to is to point out that there is a big difference between AS and "social anxiety" (which is a common misdiagnosis for AS).

The big difference between the anxieties many with AS feel about social encounters, and Social Anxiety, is that the worries about social performance in AS tend to be founded on genuine social difficulties (and often linked to feelings of confusion, genuine difficulties in holding a conversation, in keeping up etc.), whereas with Social Anxiety they are usually based on exaggerated and sometimes imagined fears and imperfections a person may have.

A person with AS may have difficulty initiating or continuing a conversation, lack body language, become overwhelmed or confused in groups etc. but is not necessarily aware of this nor do they nexessarily need to be sad or anxious about these things (many get by just fine and just avoid those situations where they feel uncomfortable).

For example, a person with AS may attempt to hold a conversation with someone they don't know but struggle when the other person wants to do small talk.

A person with social anxiety disorder on the other hand may not even attempt that conversation because they believe they are not interesting enough, they are bad at talking to people or worry they will mess it up, people will laugh at them, make fun of them, they may dislike them, ridicule them and so on.

However, unless they ALSO have AS or similar, their "weaknesses" are imagined or grossly exaggerated and they are only uncomfortable doing these things with people they don't know (or where they don't know in advance that they will be liked). If they hold the same conversation with someone they are familiar with, they do very well and have no problems keeping up with the conversation, using body language, small talk and so on.

Yes I was, and so was the website Wolfy linked to, hence my use of the same term when discussing whether this is or is not the same as AS.

Since you responded to my post and told me I didn't understand the subject, I assumed you had based this judgement on the same terms in which we were discussing social anxiety, i.e. in the context of the condition discussed on the website and by Wolfy and me.

Since when was autism a degenerative disease? Are we all getting more autistic every year? I guess that means one day I will disappear up my own ...  And I still haven't established contact with any person who has been fully "cured" of autism. Such people exist they say ....


On a different subject, there is one thing that really bothers me about the ASpar web site, that flogs the idea that aspie parents are incompetent parents, and that aspie parents are exactly the same as the web site owner's aspie mother (she obviously has issues).

The thing that bothers me about this site is the apparent credibility that this Judy Singer woman has within Australian academia, the AS community and the disability rights community. Have a look here and you will see what I mean http://www.aspar.klattu .com.au/aspjs.htm

Have I gotten too cynical, or is it true that there are stacks of people out there who mingle with autistics, may even be one themself, make a career out of autism, but despite all this they just go ahead and dump on us anyway?

Here's a quote from the site

AS can be LEARNED? Then there's hope for us all!

It just goes to prove that one does not need to be an NT to be an autiphobe.

Well it sounds more like they are unable to tell whether a few mild AS-LIKE behaviours or personality aspects are actually AS traits or are due to growing up with an AS parent. (As human beings - in particular NTs who are more likely to imitate etc. - learn things from their parents and pick up habits and behaviours, that is not all that irrational a thing to speculate on)

That's one thing I dread about having kids!

But back to AS traits - yes of course as you said tastes and suchlike (as in waht they watch on TV) are largely not something they "get" from parents, but surely there are some aspects of behaviour, and some habits, that you pick up from parents (even if they are not biological parents for example)?

Yes in this particular case (Singer) I must admit it is unlikely that it is down to nurture, but there are also many things that kids do pick up from their parents, or learn from them.

For example every family I have ever had dinner with has their own little idiosynchratic ways as far as dinner table rules are concerned, and this seems to carry through at least to some degree (for example people whose families have lax rules generally don't fuss about with eating at the table when they have their own household etc.) so I could well see that an NT who grows up learning more Aspie-type ways of doing things (or structuring things) could pick up some of these ways.

Of course spending a lot of time with other families (sleepovers etc.) can help to broaden this but I suspect some people with AS who don't like being around lots of people may not go to great lengths to deal with having children over or organising for their kids to spend time at other parent's homes, so perhaps this also increases this effect?

(Of course if it is too extreme then it can go the other way!)

Yeah definitely, but that's also partly something I think an AS parent (who is more likely NOT to agree with the "herd" thinking and perhaps more likely not to want other kids in and out the house all the time) might influence to some degree, partly because there is less understanding of why on earth someone would want to watch something "just because everyone else does", and partly because from what some Mums wit AS said/wrote, it seems there might be a trend to have less children over or be less involved in out of school activities.

So to some degree even NT kids of an AS parent might get less "branding" from peers - on the other hand though it is also possible the "go the other way" to counteract what they perceive as the AS parents "lack of being cool" (perhaps more so than with NT parents), although again one great thing I notice with "more alternative" (not necesarily AS, just more open-minded, green types, anthroposophic/Waldorf etc.) families is that there seems to be so much more self-confidence going. Kids seem happier to be who they are, and less ashamed of not wearing what everyone else does etc.

Well that's the odd thing with me, because both my parents are atheists (out of sheer disinterest and lack of need for religion more than anything) but they did briefly try to make an effort with me to give me a chance to make up my mind, i.e. they took me to church sometimes and a lot of our local kids' and youth facilities (such as summer camps etc.) are organised by the church and I was sent to a fair few of them. But even though until a certain point (I think it was when "the penny began to drop" for me as far as what religion was actually trying to make us believe!) I was quite "into" it as far as looking things up in the bible and answering questions from the bible etc., it never really stuck with me.

Mind you it was a very progressive vicar (we watched films about the Big Bang and got to debate whether evolution or creationsim made more sense etc.!) who organised most of these events, the only "bible bashers" that were around in that church were a couple who were quite young and rather over-eager with few facts to back up the things they so enthusiastically talked about.

Yeah I read about that too, I don't think they have mentioned any particular region of the brain but they did find that there is a predisposition to strong religious belief. I wonder whether there is link between this and the strong belief in UFOs and extrasensory things?

If I remember correctly, Ursula has a brother she deems almost "crazy" who's into all sorts of conspiracy stuff, while she herself is religious. It would be interesting if there was a study looking at those two aspects, rather than just religious beliefs!

I've read a shorter version of that before in an article, the title sounds right (at least it sounds familiar!). I'll have a look for that book as I've just run out of reading material AGAIN and will be in Sheffield (= BIG bookstores) this week.

Build your own website (or better yet, several of them) to educate people.      Our efforts are having some impact, but we still need a lot more activist websites.

Not much difference in tone between that and the garbage spewed by anti-Semitic hate groups that accuse Jews of being soulless mud people.

I'm posting an intentionally broken hyperlink:

http: //www. feminista.com/archives/v3n3/lee.html

Because AFF posts are Google-searchable, any link posted here has the effect of raising the page rank of the linked site.  Therefore it's in our best interest not to post working hyperlinks to sites that attack autistics.  We should also post links regularly to sites that support our goals.

That is one hateful site, and it's just sick to say that there are no intellegent adult autistics who can communicate. I'm one of those who was extremely shy as a child, yet is above average intellegence. I was only diagnosed within the last year as having Asperger's as an adult because back when I was a child, the only kind of autism people knew about is the low-functioning type, not the extremely high-functioning type that a lot of us have.

The only thing that's being done is getting help with interview skills, this after only having speech therapy in elementary school. When I was a child, people couldn't diagnose me, so I got just speech therapy which helped me to function normally except for handling job interviews. The psychologist who made the diagnosis told me that once I got a job, I'd be able to live independently. During high school and especially college, I got no help from the disabled services because I clearly did not qualify. Maybe if I had been the low-functioning autistic like this person believes every autistic is, then and only then would I have needed those services.

I could not look at this one for long... it was making me dizzy.

angry cos she speaks the truth???

It made me angry at first because I thought she was including AFF as one of the support groups to avoid.  After reading the site further I  see that she is probably a member of this forum and doesn't see AFF as a support group.

Many who come here seem to think it's a support group but I see that's it's not.

The whole thing seemed like one long Ad. How is a nutritional supplement supposed to stop someone from being autistic? I take flaxseed oil (omega three) and several other things this does not make me any less autistic, along with exercise it helps with mood. I thought the vaccine link had been killed off long before this conference was filmed. I do not know anything about DAN, from what I have seem on this video, I find them very unsettling.

The Book "The Autism-ADHD connection" focuses on Autism and ADHD, and links both with Bipolar.

I might be too stupid or literal to understand the book, but to me it simply reads like a huge pile of circular argumentation.

1) She believes they are manifestations of the same disorder
2) She "proves" this by equating aspects of Autism with aspects of ADHD (sans explanation why she thinks they are the same!) and expecting people to magically see them as 'the same' (which they are not!).

Are they comparing an Autistic child to a pet?

No they are not, they are implying that parents of autistic children who have a tendency to run away (some autistic children are wonderful escape artists and try to run away or break out of the house at any given opportunity, day or night) should make sure that their children have some form of ID on them so they can be returned if they manage to run away.

I understand the problems involved. I could have written my question better. It appeared to me that they were comparing the actions of a child to a pet. It also could appear that they were comparing a parent�s common sense towards their pet that they may lack towards their own child.

So the question would be better put as do you think they were comparing an average parents inconsistent behaviour in two situations or saying that their child�s actions are like that of a family pet.

Yes it sounded like a rather patronising attempt to get parents to fork out for a product. I do agree that if a child is prone to escaping etc, he or she should be equipped with an ID bracelet or similar thing but there's no need for that kind of advertising. A parent who is worried about their child going missing is feeling rotten enough without being given an added guilt complex by a company or individual trying to make money.

I dunno, I regulary ran away from school, if only because I recieved daily abuse and violence from the other pupils (Literally, every day), and needed to get away simply to chill out, since if I stayed on grounds even in say, the library I'd be picked on; and the teachers banned me from the computers after I was physically beaten up over a computer and when the teacher came in, they said I was mentally unhinged and thrown a monitor on the floor (It'd been knocked on the floor after I was thrown into it. The teachers though heard so many of these rumours, even the headteacher called me a psycho (to my face)), so chilling there wasn't an option.

If someone had physically sent me *back* to school when I was in a state, I'm pretty sure you'd have a repeat of that scene from The Curious case of the Dog in the Midnight or whatever it's called. (Where he hits the policeman and get cautioned after they physically grab him)

Ryuunjin, that's the story of my son. He never physically escaped from school (he's ten now) but was continuously misunderstood (he had a full diagnosis and complete guidelines for the teachers) and mis-handled by the teaching staff. I do not think he received abuse from the other kids (most of them were more intelligent than the teachers  :wink: ), but certainly from arrogant teaching staff (especially "support" teachers!!!) who thought they knew it all but showed they didn't have a clue.

I love my son the way he is and the only reason why we are working on his anxiety and anger management, at the moment, is because HE feels bad about it, I don't give a toss about what the teachers think. He's been off school for the past month and did not miss it.
We parents weren't hurt or abused by my son, but by the principal (headmaster) of his previous school, who bullied and insulted us several times in a way that makes you think who needs a diagnosis.

This forum is great, keep up the good work guys  :wink:

Martina from Ireland

It's been mentioned before, that guy definitely has a screw loose. And anger problems. And a massive stick shoved up his ***.

Not to mention a possible hard-on for Hitler.

I just read some of his blogs. Other anti-autism sites make me sad or afraid--this one is just silly. He doesn't even try to prove his assertions, he just repeats them over and over, as if stridency would make up for the fact that he doesn't substantiate his claims.

What horrible conditionists people are becoming these days, just like what it says in my signature. It seems as if there has always been nasty, discrimatory bigots ever since language was developed. The first type of discrimination probably was against females. And much much later it was discrimination against black people. And now it is discrimination against homo/bisexual people and anyone with mental disabilities or conditions, mainly autism.

Which is...?

Just because certain slurs are not as bad as others doesn't mean that it's respectful or proper to use them.

It�s called satire!
The symptoms they describe are not AS symptoms, but NT "traits". They just pathologize them to make a point.
They�re one our side.

Well, the mom telling her daughter that she was going to throw her in the shower, at least that motivated the daughter to take a shower, which is good. But the brother moving out; it makes him look like he doesn't care at all about his sister, and all he sees from her are negatives. I still don't think this mother is a very good mother, because she doesn't seem to encourage her daughter to have an interest other than television. My family introduced me to the field of art when I was really young, and now I find drawing and painting much more fun than watching television.

I've been a longtime contributor to Uncyclopedia, and I don't find the article offensive at all. It's mildy amusing, but kind of subpar compared to the funniest stuff on that site. And even if I did, I don't think that would merit censorship or pulling the article in any way. Keep in mind the site has other, intentionally offensive articles such as Cancer Porn, ***, Holocaust, I could go on and on.



Also, one person who has taken serious offense to the article has been vandalizing the entire wiki, and demanding that the page be removed. Although many aspies such as myself and nonaspies have explained the situation and debated against him ad nauseum, this person refuses to stop. Perhaps a few fellow aspies here might be willing to fan the flamewar a bit? The full discussion on this article is here:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Forum:Asperger_Syndrome_is_no_laughing_matter

Completely disagree, Andra. They are not on our side at all. Satire is supposed to be intelligent - and this isn't even close. And it's hardly funny. Not only that, when anyone tries to fix it up, they revert it and ban the person responsible. They're a clique and are Aspie intolerant. I have no doubt about that.

Not a good idea at all. That will only make the situation even worse. If an Aspie is raging in there - you'd better stop and let him or her have the last word and ignore them completely. Aspies can't stand not having the last word when they're in that sort of mood.

Erm, I am an aspie and I'm a longtime contributor to the site. They mock everyone and everything, and simply see no reason to make Asperger's an exception. If we did that, we'd have to take down so many of our other intentionally offensive articles. And they don't revert efforts to fix it up, in fact many users are agreeing that the article isn't exactly comedic gold and should be rewritten. What was reverted was the constant page blanking. I have yet to see anyone make an effort to fix up the page, but I would be more than happy to see someone take a crack at rewriting the page. Namely because it'd shut the *** up.



And the reason it devolved into a political bunfight was because the guy somehow tried to compare us Uncyclopedia contributors to: Islamic terrorists, Bush's foreign policy, he made claims that he could sue as the law of his country would apply and not the laws of the country in which Wikia's servers reside (look up the word 'jurisdiction' in a dictionary), etc. I'm gonna go try and remind people what this topic is truly about.

he's a troll that works for generation rescue run by john best jr.  he often makes havoc for the anti cure folk and isn't very bright at all.  and yes, he's a dope.  he also trolls as "fore sam" saying he's doing all this child abuse for his son to be better.

I actually tried to edit that article, but it went back to its original form. I used to like that site until I read that article! Anyway, here are two misguiding , underhanded sites that look all cozy, but spread absolute Bull Snap!

http://autismrepairinstitute.com
http://Autism.2-B-well.org

Whitness the scheming for yourself, y'all!

I don't see anything wrong with using the word 'Japs'.

When are you going to realize and understand he is 5 ffs

Are you so sure that there is no explanation for the claimed ban? I have to wander about your claims. A five year old? yeah, interesting. Are you sure that he wasn't just kept out of some certain forums to spare him talk about blood and reading of cuss words? hmm?

Ok, let's get on with the thread being about OTHER web sights now...

Hello, this is my first post on this forum & I like it
Is there a place here where a person can introduce themselves?

I would like to say in response to Maelstrom, that ' aspergerinfo.com' is an informative site, with many interesting members, like many sites it swings to & fro re. members & the type of members, it isn't mainly for parents although the the ones who are members ask advice from each other & other members on how best to help their child to cope with life.I think most of the members are AS people , who are most definitely against the 'curbie culture'
I am a member of this group.

With regard to the banning of a member,all that I can say is "all is not as it seems."
I would suggest that you could contact one of the moderators if you require any information regarding this issue.

Hello and welcome to woman from mars!  We do have an introduction thread somewhere but it was never stickified (I should do that this weekend!), so new people pop up anywhere and we are always glad to have them.  

Thank you, I will look out for it.

They sound like 4Chan rejects.

Why dont you go and check out our site for yourselves, before being so quick to pass judgement.
http://www.intensitysquared.com

Wrong Planet?

Hope i dont get sued.

We both know Planky Boy is a bit protective of his "domain"

Master of his domain.

Nah, he is a small fry. Look at his media "empire"...
Though I cant believe his little fiefdom is worth near $60,000

Dunno, i was just thinking of the Seinfeld episode.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Contest

I'll stick with AFF thanks ;p

It's not great, but it's the best we've got

It's allowed to visit more than one site.

I'll stick with AFF thanks ;p

It's not great, but it's the best we've got

Who said you have to stick exclusively with one forum. Asides I2 has a slightly different purpose to this one.

I though Alex was perpetually doing "it".

Thanks for that image.

I like I2.  I can say stuff there that would get me in trouble here.    Don't go there if you can't handle a bit of mud-slinging.

Every aspie site has its own niche.

You might come closer to learning how to get what you want out of life, if you can figure out what your "aspiedom" is.

idleness

Tis a pleasure, anytime Kosmo, anytime...

Is there any particular significance to the yellow slippers Alex has taken to wearing in his avatar? A friend of mine on WP has suggested it had something to do with rusty zippers but surely it wouldn't???

why are you all saying mean things about Intensity. *sniff* we are really sad now. you hurt our feelings.

I am sure you are tougher than that Milla

sushimilla Wrote:

why are you all saying mean things about Intensity. *sniff* we are really sad now. you hurt our feelings.

I am sure you are tougher than that Milla

we intensians are nothing but big softies.

MadKangaroo Wrote:

sushimilla Wrote:

why are you all saying mean things about Intensity. *sniff* we are really sad now. you hurt our feelings.

I am sure you are tougher than that Milla

we intensians are nothing but big softies.

Oh yeah, I forget about Spokanes Huggies...

I wemt to that site, and the quote that made me laught the most was this:
Curing Autism is reached when all children who receive vaccinations do not develop autism.

The thing that really really really aggravates me about his approach is he is too weak to directly PM a person whose behaviour is bothering him but has to deliver second hand news through one of the moderators. Maybe he is worried he will be out-argued.

In recent months, my estimation of Alex the Plank has gone down many notches.

One time, I attended an autism support group meeting with my mom and a woman there supports Generation Rescue and mentioned about a seminar that is related to Generation Rescue that is going to be in my hometown in a few days. A few days after the meeting, my mom talked about it with her sisters (my aunts), saying that she thinks that the woman that supports Generation Rescue is nuts.

Hi all, a first post, and yes I admin an ASD support forum,(hope you don't think it too rotten)

This sounds like someone that I had to ban from my forum in its early days.
No matter what proven facts were given to the lady in question it was all "government nonsense" ..... autism was invented in the early 70's and caused by the mass innnoculation program.etc, etc. Planned mercury poisoning, conspiracies ..... all children need detoxifying to cure them of autism.......

This week I have had this  sent to me, http://www.liafoundation [.com], where they concoct their figures from I have no idea I gave up reading it.
Yet another cause for autism, again they seem to fail to grasp that "Lyme" a disease which seems to have gripped the american imagination rather strongly, is not present at a high incidence rate in much of the world,yet they say that figures show 93% of children with autism also have Lyme disease.

Here in the UK the blame is layed at the MMR vaccination again they will not accept that autism was present long before these vaccines and children that have never had the MMR vaccine have been diagnosed on the spectrum.

Last week I found a thread on a UK forum from someone researching unleaded fuel as the cause of the "autistic epidemic"...... what epidemic?

The incidence of both autism and asperger's syndrome remain the same, all that has changed is the world population is growing and the awareness/diagnosis levels have improved.

We live now in a society that has to lay blame and seek compensation for anything that is not deemed to be "perfect".

I wonder what the world would be like if there were no genetic differences, where would the human race be without people that are "different" and think outside the box?

My 12 year old son is an Aspie and doing fine now with the right help and guidance, I am damn proud of him and what he has overcome .

I think of it as a way for a person to find fault of something and sue them to get rich quick. Several years ago, several states, including my home state of Illinois, passed laws that prevent someone from suing a fast food resturant for making them fat, they are called the McLawsuit laws. If someone walks into a McDonald's and order the Big Mac Extra Value meal Supersized with a Coke everyday for a month for lunch and gained wait, it is not McDonald's fault, it is the person's fault. The person made the decision to go there and make that order.

that is hosted on Liquid Web servers............. send an abuse complaint.

abuse@liquidweb.com

He sounds like a troll to me. The best thing to do is ignore him. Don't give him the attention that he wants.

There is something wrong in that I am unable to access AFF except via my email account.
Please will a moderator break this link as it is to a PORN website.
Thanks.

Hi all, a first post, and yes I admin an ASD support forum,(hope you don't think it too rotten)

This week I have had this  sent to me, http://www.liafoundation [.com], where they concoct their figures from I have no idea I gave up reading it.

"... it is important to note that borrelia is not the only infection that autistic children have.  Many children also have Mycoplasma, Herpes, Chlamydia, Babesia, Bartonella and many more."

If their kids have all of those infections as well as an ASD, I wouldn't go within a handshake's distance.

Dang... that makes me cringe too Amy....
Uh... I can't remember the exact url...but last term when I was working on my autism research paper I came across this REALLY dumb webpage that "supposedly" had acurate information about ASDs ....

I'll try to hunt it down again...

TTFN
Me

Damn... that last one really got to me...
and that "Sliver in my Brain" thing comming up soon is really confusing to me... it makes it seem like people with AS are the enemy! Damn thats pure crap plain and simple

TTFN
Me

Let's say that someone you knew wanted to wish away a certain trait of their personality but couldn't and went around moping and sulking and was really depressed about it. Wouldn't you agree that that person would need to see a therapist. That's what I equate being an autistic curebie to because I see autism as a different state of being, not as an illness. About me ordering you off to see a therapist, I didn't say that all autistic curebies should be packed off to see therapists. I said something more about needing to see a therapist. If you don't think you need any advice, simply say "Thanks for the tip, but I don't think I need it." My mother told me that that's the polite way to refuse advice.
P. S. I love the reference to 1984. I forgot to tell you that earlier, Wolfy

actually you were flaming her

*Reads past posts, realizes skyblue1 is right, and hangs head in shame*

ethel , hope you are not thinking that I hate you,I dont.I know you are a respected member here,Iwas speaking to the other person

What makes NT’s different is what I’d like to know.

The NAS do a handy little card and leaflet ,which I got through Asperger United a few years ago, had it renewed for about £3 - I think they are still doing them. Has been useful when dealing with the police, council and other 'official' bodies, employers etc so I don't have to expain. I carry it everywhere - has explanation of autism, says this person has autism on the front, and has the advantage of being a 'real' document - not just something I maybe making up.

May they be excommunicated from whatever church they belong to, and any other they try to get into!

Tony Atwood has let us down. As I suspected he would. S-called wise people with common sense on WP said that he did not want to cure us and one said that he was our Professor X.


All those families who say their autistic people don't understand how much they stress and depress their NT relatives with their autism is awful. What are they doing by saying that? Stressing and depressing their autie relatives. And furthermore, they really lay into their autie relatives whe the auties say that the NTs don't understand how much stress they're causing the auties, not just with their NT behavior but with the TRYING TO FORCE THE AUTIES TO BE OR PRETEND TO BE NT.


BluesMom, about the brain tumor thing, my father once said that people with Tourette's Syndrome have brain tumors and that autistics also have benign brain tumors.

Wolfy, anxiety is one of the symptoms for AS (or is it PDD-NOS?) mentioned in the DSM.

One of the many, many things that attracted me to "Stan" was that he was so smart and nice and wise and sweet and kind and I thought I could get all those qualities by being around him, and I was so thrilled that someone like THAT had chosen ME! And he doesn't know if I have an ASD. A few times he said he doubted I did.

That's an excellent idea! I love it!

Good on you! Way to go!

this is one of the reasons i don't want to be a parent.

So agree!

I do not consider it difficult, I consider my aspie son to be the greatest blessing of my life and I wouldn't have him any other way. What I DO consider difficult are people who make his life hard through stigma, discrimination, bias, hatefulness, whining about how "abnormal" ASD are and, expecting everyone to think and act and be the same, and the fascists at FAAAS who would rid the world of every single aspie if they could find a way to do it. And who are going to make my son's adult life very difficult.

To be an aspie/ASD is truly exhausting at times, and navigating daily life can be a real challenge. Yet all they often hear is how hard it is for those WITHOUT such challenges and issues to deal with them. And family often doesn't make any effort to try to communicate in a way the aspie/ASD would understand, they expect the ASD to always change themselves all the time. They have the luxury of walking away from the ASD, even for just a little while, while the aspie has no choice and can't just "walk away" from their brain. How about a little compassion for THEM in always hearing about how hard they are to be with, dealing with such whining, dealing with groups who want to "cure" them as if they're some kind of horrible disease, etc., etc.

Whether or not YOU consider it difficult is irrelevant.  Also irrelevant is the degree to which you consider your son to be a blessing to you.  

Hint:  Most of us feel the same way about our little ones.  I'm sure you don't mean to imply that we don't, but the implication is there.

What you are saying here is that you do find ibeing the parent of a spectrum child difficult, and you find other people's misconceptions about your son especially vexing.  Thusly, our positions are not exclusive of one another.  

Is that why you're here?  To tell parents of spectrum children how selfish they are?  

To what family are you referring to in your straw man argument?

I have such compassion.  Heck, I even evaluate people by what they actually say and do, and not what I imagine they might say and do.

What about you, westernwild?

It's "Families of Adults Affected by Asperger's Syndrome"

and that picture is ghastly! In their description they say we are "afflicted" and that we have no sympathy for the people in our lives that have to live with us afflicted people.

***blech!***

So do I! I want my son to have a more understanding world, but not to change him. Would I rip out his hair because it's not curly like mine? Or his eyes because of their color? He is who he is, and partly because of me since I am an Aspie too, but more because that is who he was created to be. Yes, it's not easy. Trust me! It's not easy being an Aspie mom with an Aspie kid, but he has a mom that will NEVER reject him and make him think he's damaged, the way that my parents did to me. Anyone that tries to do that is the one that needs to change.

Once again, I repeat that I do not find it difficult to be the parent of an aspie son; in fact, I find it rewarding and interesting. I do not need to join a "woe is me, look at the difficult child life has saddled me with" groups.

If you are the parent of an ASD, then you need to be far more concerned with the very detrimental and damaging effect the likes of FAAAS and Maxine Aston and her CAD nonsense will have on the life of your child, especially in adulthood, as they actively work to promote and promulgate discrimination against aspies in courts, child custody and family life, personal and social relationships and employment, and promote negative stereotypes and misinformation to the public at large, than you do with any detrimental effect on you or the rest of your family. Because, believe me, FAAAS and company are very real threats.

Exactly, thank you!! Some more "traditional" members of my family need to learn this as well.

My husband, my son's stepfather, has some aspie-like traits, but is definitely not an aspie and has not been diagnosed as such, nor would he, as he does not fit enough of the criteria. But there are some people, namely an ex-wife, who is convinced he's an aspie based on their own misinformed perceptions and notions. One major reason for that is that there are too many professionals in this country who still don't fully understand AS and have too superficial a knowledge/understanding of it at this point in time. That is where public education is crucial, and not the hate misinformation campaigns of the likes of FAAAS and Maxine Aston and company.

If you consider most studies draw conclusions from having only about 10 autistic participants, I think your observations have a higher probability of being less exaggerated than most. I think having some recorded data published on this would be nice even though its likely to be an inconvenient truth if its accurate. if its accurate follow up research could possibly point at new ways to help autistics succeed.

This is what I judge of that site (the autism-is-getting-stuck one):

Untie my bow-tie, who stole my Honda?

Basics of speaking in tongues, not really though just the obtuse gullible ones...I do however discern spirits of the demonic, angelic and humanly kind...that part isn't a joke It is funny though isn't it, I'm of the opinion that Autism is a gift, and not something accursed too those that want too make money as it is the root of all evil...

I completely agree with the both of you. I hate the conciliatory gaze or sympathetic speeches. I have made it a point to let my children know everday how truly gifted and wonderful they are. How lucky we are to see things in the perspective that we do. The only "devastating" aspect is knowing many will never say just how wonderful my little ones are, simply because of ignorance or misinformation.

Censorship is unAmerican. Or is this British?

When did it turn curebie?  Been out of the loop a bit..

You were right first time around - However, we in Britain have so many things restricted for "the greater good" (or so our government claims) - Remember how regulated our media is? We couldn't even leave off-shore pirates alone like Caroline
(And it seems it may get worst if it wasn't for the fact that BT and TalkTalk stepped in against the Digital Economy Act)
You're lucky in the US for your communication freedoms

I actually did write an email to this... person. So unbelievably ignorant, it is truly appalling that he can get away with what almost amounts to libel.

...Not sure if spam. You do know what website you're posting on, and in what thread, right?

Breaking URLs is not censorship. It is just a simple way of preventing the owners of the sites from knowing that they are receiving traffic from AFF.

URL further broken up - Nu