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Awful News - Combating Autism Act Passes Senate Committee - marinebiology01 - 07-21-2006 05:07 PM

From CAN's newsletter:

Quote:
Cure Autism Now Celebrates the Senate HELP Committee Passage of the Combating Autism Act of 2006


On Wednesday, July 19, the 20 members of the Senate HELP Committee unanimously voted to send the Combating Autism Act of 2006 (S.843) to the full Senate for approval. This represents a tremendous victory for the entire autism community, including the many organizations that formed a coalition to advance this legislation. We anticipate the bill will pass the Senate by a "unanimous consent" vote prior to the summer recess, which begins August 4.

With the leadership of our original sponsor, Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) and his staff, and the assembly and involvement of the autism community consensus group, the CAA of 2006 has emerged as a historic $1 billion single-disease authorization bill for autism that serves as an acknowledgment by the United States Senate that autism is a national public health crisis.

The Combating Autism Act of 2006 was originally drafted by Cure Autism Now's Government Relations representative and Chapter Leader Stuart Spielman, and much of the legislative strategy was planned and implemented by CAN's lobbying team. The CAA of 2006 began as a reauthorization of the autism section in the Children's Health Act of 2000, which was also introduced by CAN and became the first landmark piece of autism legislation.

Cure Autism Now would like to thank all members of the HELP Committee for their unprecedented commitment to fulfill the promise of meaningful research, timely intervention and an accelerated path to a cure for autism. In addition to our champion Senator Santorum, our gratitude goes to HELP Committee Chairman Michael Enzi (R-WY) and Ranking Member Edward Kennedy (D-MA), sponsor Christopher Dodd (D-CT), Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and their tireless staffs for their tremendous effort in crafting the Combating Autism Act of 2006 .

Once the bill passes the Senate, our attention will shift to the House of Representatives where we have 136 co-sponsors to date. Visit www. combatautism.org to find out if your Congressman is a co-sponsor. If not, please contact them while they are in district for the August recess and ask them to co-sponsor the Combating Autism Act of 2006 (H.R. 2421).    

Cure Autism Now thanks the many autism organizations in the community that have actively participated in these efforts and we thank our families and friends who have reached out to their legislators to help us combat autism.


We have got to do something! Ideas?


- Amy - 07-21-2006 05:10 PM

If they are celebrating, it's a clear sign of how bad it is.


- Gareth - 07-21-2006 05:21 PM

When will the full vote take place?


- Gareth - 07-21-2006 05:30 PM

I would ask for people in the US to contact the senators involved:
http://www.combat autism.org/s ite/c.adJCKON vFoG/b.1317953/k.AAA8/The_Co mbating_Autism_Ac t_of_200 5_Needs_Your_Help.htm (broken link)


- bravesj858 - 07-21-2006 07:01 PM

hmm....the autism coummiunity...full of people that hate autistics and want them gone, aka curebies.  they want to combat us, and make it seem that autism is always the bad guy.  if you defeat autism...we all lose.

autism is the good guy...can is the bad guy...that sounded cheesey and lame.  but i think this is bad news for any of us that wish to have children, as our kids will probaly be taken to rot away and only cured to be considred human.


- Subatai_Baadur - 07-21-2006 07:05 PM

You do not know how American politics work. We left behind that democracy thing long ago, in favour of lobbies and bull**** political stunts like this. Don't waste your time. People only listen when you are directly on their doorstep. Petitioning won't do anything. So this is what we do. Let the law pass. Watch Bush sign it, then flood all of the research centers in america with petitions. Fake names, hold protests, just prepare to wage a war and put these funds to better use. But the federal government is powerless to help us. Also, you can take out a certain amount of your taxes in order to protest. The IRS will throw an unholy fit and could very well throw you in jail, but it would make a point.


- Gareth - 07-21-2006 07:08 PM

1 - I would advise that nobody tax evades - this is a rather stupid idea
2 - We need to take action NOW, not after it's already passed.


- Ryuujin - 07-21-2006 07:19 PM

Quote:
This represents a tremendous victory for the entire autism community


I think they mis-typed this line, they missed out "tremendous victory against the entire"


- bravesj858 - 07-21-2006 07:56 PM

Ryuujin Wrote:

Quote:
This represents a tremendous victory for the entire autism community


I think they mis-typed this line, they missed out "tremendous victory against the entire"


or, victory for the cure autism community.


- Subatai_Baadur - 07-21-2006 08:54 PM

Gareth Wrote:
1 - I would advise that nobody tax evades - this is a rather stupid idea
2 - We need to take action NOW, not after it's already passed.

I didn't advise that people do it, I told them that it would be effective if they chose. Not to mention the fact that the American justice system is very slow. The hospital and research system relies on grants from people, and is thus more likely to listen.


- nathanww - 07-21-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:
Don't waste your time. People only listen when you are directly on their doorstep. Petitioning won't do anything. So this is what we do. Let the law pass. Watch Bush sign it, then flood all of the research centers in america with petitions.


If the bill does pass, this might be a good course of action, but I don't see why we shouldn't try to prevent the bill from passing in the first place.


- Subatai_Baadur - 07-21-2006 09:34 PM

nathanww Wrote:

Quote:
Don't waste your time. People only listen when you are directly on their doorstep. Petitioning won't do anything. So this is what we do. Let the law pass. Watch Bush sign it, then flood all of the research centers in america with petitions.


If the bill does pass, this might be a good course of action, but I don't see why we shouldn't try to prevent the bill from passing in the first place.

Because you can plan now, while right now this won't work. I would place an extrodinary amount of money that the bill passes with over 2/3 of the Congress supporting it.


- DW_a_mom - 07-22-2006 12:22 AM

I actually think it's a good idea to try to direct the research once the money gets to the research stations.  But, that is still a few steps away at this point, and there are strong possibilities that the money will arrive with precise instructions on how it should be used.  We don't have a bill yet, so now is the time to try to shape the bill.

Sometimes voices are heard.  It's a little too early to be cynical.  Your experience may be all negative, but mine isn't.  Yes, it is about how to play the game.  I'm part of the NT world; trust me that I have some clue how to play it.  What I don't have is the time to do it myself.  But, there are others here who might have that time.  I CAN try to help someone like that get heard.  A few tips might go a long way.


- Subatai_Baadur - 07-22-2006 01:03 AM

DW_a_mom Wrote:
I actually think it's a good idea to try to direct the research once the money gets to the research stations.  But, that is still a few steps away at this point, and there are strong possibilities that the money will arrive with precise instructions on how it should be used.  We don't have a bill yet, so now is the time to try to shape the bill.

Sometimes voices are heard.  It's a little too early to be cynical.  Your experience may be all negative, but mine isn't.  Yes, it is about how to play the game.  I'm part of the NT world; trust me that I have some clue how to play it.  What I don't have is the time to do it myself.  But, there are others here who might have that time.  I CAN try to help someone like that get heard.  A few tips might go a long way.

Ok then Mr. Smith, you go along and try to make your difference. Once this whole thing fails, I get to laugh my *** off and we can go for the research centers.


- DW_a_mom - 07-22-2006 01:51 AM

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:
Ok then Mr. Smith, you go along and try to make your difference. Once this whole thing fails, I get to laugh my a** off and we can go for the research centers.


This isn't my issue.  It's yours.  I think a lot less cynicism and a lot more effort would get you all a lot closer to the results you want.  You can choose to throw jabs from outside of the process, or you can try to make an effort to get in it, and to learn how to be successful.  It's a choice.


- Subatai_Baadur - 07-22-2006 01:58 AM

DW_a_mom Wrote:

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:
Ok then Mr. Smith, you go along and try to make your difference. Once this whole thing fails, I get to laugh my a** off and we can go for the research centers.


This isn't my issue.  It's yours.  I think a lot less cynicism and a lot more effort would get you all a lot closer to the results you want.  You can choose to throw jabs from outside of the process, or you can try to make an effort to get in it, and to learn how to be successful.  It's a choice.

Learn how to be successful? Yeah, I'm sure you will all be very proud of your success after the billion goes to research and your efforts turn out to be fruitless. There are better fights to pick, ones that you can win. But a ragtag bunch of aspies isn't going to convince anyone to turn their vote.


- daisuke - 07-22-2006 04:28 AM

CAN has a much better image than we do. We're supposed to be retarded or something. Morals aside, senators don't want to hook up with us. Maybe if we grouped marched to the capital a point would be made, but we're too small in numbers.


- violet_yoshi - 07-22-2006 07:09 AM

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:

DW_a_mom Wrote:

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:
Ok then Mr. Smith, you go along and try to make your difference. Once this whole thing fails, I get to laugh my a** off and we can go for the research centers.


This isn't my issue.  It's yours.  I think a lot less cynicism and a lot more effort would get you all a lot closer to the results you want.  You can choose to throw jabs from outside of the process, or you can try to make an effort to get in it, and to learn how to be successful.  It's a choice.

Learn how to be successful? Yeah, I'm sure you will all be very proud of your success after the billion goes to research and your efforts turn out to be fruitless. There are better fights to pick, ones that you can win. But a ragtag bunch of aspies isn't going to convince anyone to turn their vote.


subatai, why are you here? I mean, you seem very anti-Aspie, almost to the point where I'd assume you're NT. Perhaps if you want to be negative about helping an important cause, perhaps you should find somewhere else to do it.


- violet_yoshi - 07-22-2006 07:10 AM

daisuke Wrote:
CAN has a much better image than we do. We're supposed to be retarded or something. Morals aside, senators don't want to hook up with us. Maybe if we grouped marched to the capital a point would be made, but we're too small in numbers.


Can has a great image, for those people looking for another Hitler to rally behind.


- Gareth - 07-22-2006 03:01 PM

CAN and similar organisations are viewed like good charities by most of the public. Autism research to them is just as important as cancer research.


- marinebiology01 - 07-22-2006 04:30 PM

You're right, writing letters may not work, but it might, and it certainly won't hurt things. Here's a list of the HELP committee that I compiled and posted in the general forum awhile back. It won't help to contact them as a whole now, since the bill has passed through their committee. But if any of these senators are from your state, you can still contact them because they will have to vote in the full senate vote. Thier e-mail address or forms are listed under their fax numbers when available.

If your senators are not listed, you can find them at http://www.senate.gov/

I personally think that it will help to write! Let's take action!

HELP Committee Membership
Majority Members (Republicans)

Michael Enzi (R-WY) [Chairman]
202-224-3424 (DC Phone)
202-228-0359 (DC FAX)
http://enzi.senate.gov/contact.htm

Judd Gregg (R-NH)
202-224-3324 (DC Phone)
202-224-4952 (DC FAX)
http://gregg.senate.gov/sitepages/contact.cfm

William H. Frist (R-TN)
202-224-3344 (DC Phone)
202-228-1264 (DC FAX)
http://frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutSenatorFrist.ContactForm

Richard Burr (R-NC)
202-224-3154 (DC Phone)
202-228-2981 (DC FAX)
http://burr.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home

Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
202-224-3643 (DC Phone)
202-228-0724 (DC FAX)
http://isakson.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Mike DeWine (R-OH)
202-224-2315 (DC Phone)
202-224-6519 (DC FAX)
http://dewine.senate.gov/request_form.cfm
(http://dewine.senate.gov/request_form.cfm

John Ensign (R-NV)
202-224-6244 (DC Phone)
202-228-2193 (DC FAX)
http://ensign.senate.gov/forms/email_form.cfm

Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT)
202-224-5251 (DC Phone)
202-224-6331 (DC FAX)
http://hatch.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Offices.Contact

Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
202-224-4124 (DC Phone)
202-224-3149 (DC FAX)
http://sessions.senate.gov/email/contact.cfm

Pat Roberts (R-KS)
202-224-4774 (DC Phone)
202-224-3514 (DC FAX)
http://roberts.senate.gov/e-mail_pat.html


Minority Members (Democrats)

Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) [Ranking Member]
202-224-4543 (DC Phone)
202-224-2417 (DC FAX)
http://kennedy.senate.gov/contact.html

Christopher J. Dodd (D-CT)
202-224-2823 (DC Phone)
202-224-1083 (DC FAX)
http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3128&cat=Opinion

Tom Harkin (D-IA)
202-224-3254 (DC Phone)
202-224-9369 (DC FAX)
http://harkin.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm

Barbara A. Mikulski (D-MD)
202-224-4654 (DC Phone)
202-224-8858 (DC FAX)
http://mikulski.senate.gov/mailform.html

James M. Jeffords (I-VT)
202-224-5141 (DC Phone)
202-228-0776 (DC FAX)
http://jeffords.senate.gov/contact.html

Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
202-224-5521 (DC Phone)
202-224-2852 (DC FAX)
senator_bingaman@bingaman.senate.gov

Patty Murray (D-WA)
202-224-2621 (DC Phone)
202-224-0238 (DC FAX)
http://murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm

Jack Reed (D-RI)
202-224-4642 (DC Phone)
202-224-4680 (DC FAX)
http://reed.senate.gov/contact/thoughts.cfm

Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
202-224-4451 (DC Phone)
202-228-0282 (DC FAX)
http://clinton.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm?subj=issue


- marinebiology01 - 07-22-2006 04:36 PM

I also think it is a good idea, if the bill passes, to contact research centers and organizations about ways the funds will be used. Research does not have to be a bad thing...what if funding was used to improve schools and education services, develop anti-bullying programs, improve teacher training, etc.? I realize that this may be wishful thinking, but it never hurts to try.


- Subatai_Baadur - 07-22-2006 05:29 PM

violet_yoshi Wrote:

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:

DW_a_mom Wrote:

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:
Ok then Mr. Smith, you go along and try to make your difference. Once this whole thing fails, I get to laugh my a** off and we can go for the research centers.


This isn't my issue.  It's yours.  I think a lot less cynicism and a lot more effort would get you all a lot closer to the results you want.  You can choose to throw jabs from outside of the process, or you can try to make an effort to get in it, and to learn how to be successful.  It's a choice.

Learn how to be successful? Yeah, I'm sure you will all be very proud of your success after the billion goes to research and your efforts turn out to be fruitless. There are better fights to pick, ones that you can win. But a ragtag bunch of aspies isn't going to convince anyone to turn their vote.


subatai, why are you here? I mean, you seem very anti-Aspie, almost to the point where I'd assume you're NT. Perhaps if you want to be negative about helping an important cause, perhaps you should find somewhere else to do it.

I am not NT, I simply realize how hopeless this is. This is an important cause, but it is an important cause with multiple parts. I don't see why we're attacking the hardest part to beat only because it's here right now. It seems impatient to me, when we can wait a little bit longer and go for an organization that is less corrupt and would listen to us.


- Lili Marlene - 07-22-2006 08:01 PM

I'm sure that all politicians are aware that diagnosed autistics, however anti-cure we might be, only make up at most 1% of the population, compared with a much larger minority of NT or closet aspie family members who are likely to support curebie organizations, and the vast majority of voters are NTs with no significant relationship to any autistic person, who just believe whatever the TV newsreader tells them about autism. AS VOTERS AUTISTICS COUNT FOR NOTHING. I'll bet most pollies assume that we are incapable of voting. I doubt that anything that we say to a politician will make any difference, unless there is a real threat that supporting curebie groups will backfire on the pollie by giving him bad publicity rather than "brownie points".

The group to work on, to change opinions, is the third group that I mentioned, the vast NT majority who know nothing much about autism. If we can manipulate the media to present a positive image of autism/AS, then we could swing public opinion our way, and then, and only then, will the politicians listen to us.


- Gareth - 07-23-2006 12:13 AM

Lili Marlene Wrote:
I'm sure that all politicians are aware that diagnosed autistics, however anti-cure we might be, only make up at most 1% of the population, compared with a much larger minority of NT or closet aspie family members who are likely to support curebie organizations, and the vast majority of voters are NTs with no significant relationship to any autistic person, who just believe whatever the TV newsreader tells them about autism. AS VOTERS AUTISTICS COUNT FOR NOTHING. I'll bet most pollies assume that we are incapable of voting. I doubt that anything that we say to a politician will make any difference, unless there is a real threat that supporting curebie groups will backfire on the pollie by giving him bad publicity rather than "brownie points".

The group to work on, to change opinions, is the third group that I mentioned, the vast NT majority who know nothing much about autism. If we can manipulate the media to present a positive image of autism/AS, then we could swing public opinion our way, and then, and only then, will the politicians listen to us.


Some very good points here - perhaps shifting the focus to gathering allies will give us a better chance. However, the clock is ticking faster and faster - it's debatable whether or not action now (however useless it may seem) or action later is better.


- Bonnie Ventura - 07-23-2006 02:06 AM

I've noticed something interesting on the curebie websites recently -- they're now squabbling among themselves about whether to support the Combating Autism Act because mercury/anti-vaccine language was taken out of the current version.  Some antivaxers are writing to their senators and asking them not to support it.  Maybe the legislators will get annoyed enough so that neither version passes.

Well, it's a small hope anyway...


- Alison - 07-23-2006 04:27 AM

I keep wishing Magneto would walk in and tell us what to do...
Alison Sad


- M - 07-23-2006 10:41 PM

The result might just be the same as the "war on drugs"  (the "just say no" campaign, how effective was that?), on the "war on child proverty", the "war against HIV"  ....  

A good plan of action is to educate people about autism and how people with autism feel about it themselves.


- Natalia - 08-10-2006 01:22 AM

I just sent this letter to the Hon. John Spratt, my Representative.

Quote:
I am writing to you about the "Combating Autism Act" (H.R. 2421), because my parents, my husband and myself all find ourselves on the autism spectrum.  As persons with this neurological difference, we work, study, and teach.  We enjoy our lives, not only inspite of -more often, because of- our social and processing differences.  

I am thankful that our government wants to help autistics.  I do not feel that the large Autism organizations are in fact concerned with helping autistics.  With names like "Cure Autism Now" or "Defeat Autism Now", they express more of a desire to prevent the existence of more people like us.
Even Autism Speaks has the following goals more connected with cure and with considering autism a "health crisis" than with understanding and helping autistic persons:
http://www. autismspeaks.org/goals.php
http://www. autismspeaks.org/science.php
Videos are made ("Autism Every Day" for example) where parents say they wish their child dead or have wished to kill their autistic child, in front of the child!  This is not acceptable.  If such attitudes are advertised to be normal, and our lives are judged to be less worthwhile than other lives, it is no wonder several parents have murdered their autistic children in recent times.

Many autistic people, as well as many non-autistic parents of autistic children and adults, feel that our way of being is valid and that we do not need to be Cured.  It is known that an autistic person may undergo various types of therapy, may learn to communicate, may learn to interact socially... but deep down they will still be autistic.  This is not a tragedy, it's a way -our way- of being human.

Rather than concentrating on Cure, I believe a more effective use of funds would be to help actual autistic people, perhaps in some of these ways:
1) services to enable autistic adults (even those considered low-functioning) to live independently instead of in a dehumanizing institutional life.
2) services to facilitate learning of work skills for autistic teens and adults, and job-placement.
3) services to allow families new to autism to interact with autistic teens and adults, to educate parents in ways of understanding their child and about the many future possibilities for their child, and also to allow children to see that adults like them exist, so they can have positive autistic role-models.
4) services needed at home and in schools to help autistic children learn to communicate in a way that works for them.
5) These are just a few ideas.  There should be input from actual autistic people about the services that are needed and about what constitutes "help".  The organization called "Autism Speaks" does not in fact speak for autistics, as they have very few autistic members and therefore cannot understand what it is like to be the people they claim to speak for.

I am seriously concerned about the moral implications of research that attempts to find a prenatal test for identifying autistics. Based on what has happened with the test for Down Syndrome, it is probable that people would use the results of such a test to then abort autistic babies.

If you are interested in knowing what actual autistics think about these issues and more, you could visit some or all of the following organizations:
http://www.autistics.org/ (especially http://www.autistics.org/library/ )
http://www.neurodiversity.com/
http://aspiesforfreedom.org/
   (especially http://aspiesforfreedom.org/wiki/ and http://www.autismprenataltest.com/ )
http://thiswayoflife.org/
   (especially http://thiswayoflife.org/murder.html and http://thiswayoflife.org/quality.html )
http://www.gettingthetruthout.org/
   (on this last one you have to read the whole thing, or you will get the wrong idea.  if you do take the time to read it, you will be amazed.)

Thank you in advance for considering our viewpoint on matters that concern us.




- Natalia - 08-10-2006 01:24 AM

PS:
DWMom I used some of your phrases, thanks.


- citibob - 08-16-2006 04:21 AM

Sorry guys, it's too late for this bill.  But not for the future.  This website is great at getting aspies out of the woodwork and together, to think about how to move forward.  The progress in organizing just in the last few years has been substantial.

But if the website is all we do, we'll never have an impact.

We need our own "Autism Advocacy" group that mirrors the structure of the curbie groups.  It should have:
1. A clear statement of position and mission.  This should encapsulate the group's belief of how society should view and approach autism.
2. Membership dues and nonprofit status.
3. Publicists, lobbyists and lawyers who are paid to advocate for the group's causes in the media and the congress.

Consider how this legislation got passed: The curbies are obviously well organized and well funded.  They have been knocking on senate doors trying to get this legislation passed.  The senators asked around to all the other autism groups they could see --- which were also all curbie groups --- and found that everyone thought it was a great idea.  So they passed the legislation unanimously.

Imagine how the legislation would have gone if AFF had been a "real" group.  AFF would have been consulted along with the curbie groups.  AFF would have indicated that is has reservations about the legislation.  Significant dissent and positive debate would have happened.  The result would have been a bill more in our favor.

So... let's form a real group.  Just because we aren't liked by the curbies does not mean we're permanentaly shut out of the political process.  The first step is a mission statement, which I see AFF already has --- could be made more consise, but it's fine for now.  I suppose the next step is to incorporate and start raising money.  Any takers?


- rocobley - 08-16-2006 08:49 PM

Entirely agree with the previous poster. I have always felt that having a website, a bunch of forums and a few local groups and calling that an 'organisation' was frankly stretching the definition of the word to be honest.

What we need is a physically existing *membership* organisation, where members pay dues and have voting rights etc., with an elected leadership, sub-committees, annual conferences and all the rest of it. Structurally I think the best model, certainly in Britain, is the Stop the War Coalition which is undoubtedly the most successful organisation around today in terms of ability to mobilise large numbers of people. To make it effective it will need, as I said, to seek out allies from other potentially interested campaign groups and political forces like the Greens etc. Most politicos who are sympathetic will be on the left, I suspect, with the possible exception of Libertarians (and no I'm not just saying that cos I'm on the left). Mind you there was apparently a debate on the Nazi Stormtrooper website about whether or not to support Aspie rights, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I consent to working with scum like that, speaking personally.


- Natalia - 08-16-2006 10:05 PM

citibob Wrote:
Sorry guys, it's too late for this bill.  


Has it also passed in the House, now?


- Gareth - 08-17-2006 01:35 AM

In order to have more offline action we need people to (surprise, surprise) take action offline. Until we get a critical mass of offline groups nothing further can be done. Read my post "the real autism epidemic" in news and media.

Anyone reading this thinking "someone else will do it" is missing the point.


- Lang - 08-17-2006 03:00 AM

I've been wanting to be part of a local group in tennessee, but it seems I'm either the only member there, or the only member there willing to state location.  

I don't think I'd be able to organize one myself, even though I've lived here a rather long time, I don't know much about this town, and doubt I could find a suitable location.  And the potential for controversy frightens me, I don't think I could handle it effectively, based on experience with some people I already know.  My verbal communication has never been much good for politics discussion.


- rocobley - 08-17-2006 11:42 PM

Gareth - you are of course correct. My point is *what kind of action*. It seems to me that setting up little local groups here and there is acting on a far too small scale. Something much larger needs to be attempted. If I succeed in moving to London I will see if I can kickstart something of that nature (it kind of ties in with my idea of a APD march) but I can't do anything while in Derry.


- Gareth - 08-18-2006 01:48 AM

I seriously doubt that we would be able to find enough autistics in one place to have one large offline group. And of course, being spread out allows us to influence things on a wider scale.


- rocobley - 08-18-2006 03:19 PM

That's the problem with small local groups. I'm thinking of something like a city-wide organisation. Plus, the small number of autistics is precisely why we need to find potential numbers to get some real clout.


- Lili Marlene - 08-18-2006 05:15 PM

In any city of a million people, if autistics number 1 or 2 per 200 people, there must be thousands of autistics. Perhaps most of the adult ones have not been diagnosed or self-identified as autistic, perhaps many are too young to join a group that mum or dad don't approve of, and perhaps a sizeable proportion don't have the IQ to even know what activism is, and perhaps many are too busy with life in general or are too busy with special interests to be bothered with joining any group, and perhaps many just aren't "joiners", but there must be some potential for forming offline groups.


- Darmani - 08-19-2006 09:05 AM

Gareth Wrote:
I seriously doubt that we would be able to find enough autistics in one place to have one large offline group. And of course, being spread out allows us to influence things on a wider scale.


Unfortunately, the former would prevent the latter. People motivate each other; 5 people may go do some activism together even if none would have done anything themselves.


- Lili Marlene - 08-22-2006 06:17 AM

Darmani wrote

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People motivate each other; 5 people may go do some activism together even if none would have done anything themselves.

I'm not sure how much this applies to autistics, who can be more active and effective when working alone.


- Gareth - 08-22-2006 01:44 PM

Be honest - what % of people here have taken action in the real world on their own accord?


- Lili Marlene - 08-22-2006 04:38 PM

I consider my entire life to be a form of protest.