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Holiday centre in north wales - a more realistic start? - Amy - 06-09-2006 01:11 PM
I have been looking at the potential for grants in the area, and for land, etc. As we live in the area we could be eligible for grants if we fulfilled the requirements.
Some have suggested that a small start would provide capital for bigger ventures.
I think its good to look at all opportunities.
http://www.countrylife.co.uk/property/for-sale/Wales/Beaumaris/7495_Isle+of+Anglesey_details.php
Something such as that might be a potential start, it has a small private island, plus large piece of land that is part of the main island of Angelsey.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 02:46 PM
The asking price is £895,000 - roughly $2 million.
- Gareth - 06-09-2006 02:47 PM
890,000.00 GBP = 1,636,184.71 USD
- MttJocy - 06-09-2006 03:23 PM
How is 1.6 million USD more realistic than 580,000 USD?
- Amy - 06-09-2006 03:57 PM
Why are saying that number specifically?
- MttJocy - 06-09-2006 04:28 PM
Because that was the cost for another option we considered, I just don't quite understand in what way that the higher sum would be more relistic than the lower one.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 04:37 PM
Various reasons.
We might get a grant to build there (this piece of land as an example) which we would be unlikely to get in S.America.
More of us know english than portugese.
Free healthcare on the NHS.
Access to free books for homeschooling.
Less travel for people in the UK (very few members are in S.America)
People could continue to receive any benefits until work opportunities were established.
It is a tourist/holiday area, unlike the river island.
- nathanww - 06-09-2006 04:42 PM
It's not just money, but also the fact that there's a lot more planning and such that has to go into building an artificial island.
This would be a good way to see if it's feasible to do something like this or not.
- MttJocy - 06-09-2006 04:47 PM
The $580,000 option was a natural island just fyi
Amy, have you considered the ammount of stuff you can actually fit on one small farm with one tiny island nearby?
As for the benifits, yes that is true providing that the person trying to claim benifits does not actually own any part of the project.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 04:50 PM
Its not a small farm, did you see the picture? That is big enough for a holiday centre with holiday homes.
And it would be a simpler start, then more land could be bought.
Its an example of what could happen.
- MttJocy - 06-09-2006 05:05 PM
Humz, not sure it is every single last bit of land in that picture, anyone know the actual size in acres or something?
As for expanding later yeah that could happern as long as the neighbouring landowners intend to sell up and move out, if not then you can't make them.
- Tiger of Malaysia - 06-09-2006 05:15 PM
1.6 million is amazingly cheap. They have homes already built there? Real Estate prices are so high that single houses are selling for that in my neighborhood.
- MttJocy - 06-09-2006 06:11 PM
I would suspect that the buildings there are at least partially degraded, either that or it is so far from anywhere they have had issues selling it.
- DM Andy - 06-09-2006 06:24 PM
The area is quite depressed in terms of employment as it's quite remote. My mum's uncle lives up around there. That would explain the relatively low price.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 06:27 PM
MttJocy Wrote:
I would suspect that the buildings there are at least partially degraded, either that or it is so far from anywhere they have had issues selling it.
It has a habitable 6 bedroomed house. It is on a large island that is a tourist destination, there are many places within driving distance.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 06:29 PM
DM Andy Wrote:
The area is quite depressed in terms of employment as it's quite remote. My mum's uncle lives up around there. That would explain the relatively low price.
It would depend what field you were in, tourism does well, coachfitters would do badly.
- DM Andy - 06-09-2006 06:34 PM
Amy Wrote:
It would depend what field you were in, tourism does well, coachfitters would do badly.
Tourism is very seasonable, I used to live along the coast in Prestatyn and there were lots of jobs available in the summer, but during the winter it was a bit dead. Plus if I remember right there's very little public transport links to the area, the closest railway stations to Cemaes Bay would be Holyhead or Valley and they are close to an hour's bus ride away.
Still it's a trade off, somewhere more accessable is more money.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 06:35 PM
I don't think there would be much point in moving to a highly populated area.
- DM Andy - 06-09-2006 06:47 PM
Amy Wrote:
I don't think there would be much point in moving to a highly populated area.
I think you're right. Personally I'm okay where I am, I've got the double job that lets me work around issues and people who I'm comfortable with and I would be a bit scared of dropping that for something brand new, but the island/community idea is a great one.
- Amy - 06-09-2006 07:12 PM
Then you could come and stay for a holiday :smile:
- DM Andy - 06-09-2006 07:18 PM
Amy Wrote:
Then you could come and stay for a holiday :smile:
That would be good, I've never been confident enough to go off somewhere on my own for holiday.
- Drifter - 06-10-2006 04:21 AM
I must say I don't really like this idea. If only because this place knows winter. But I don't like the idea of having NT's for neighbours. What if they try to force us away. You remember how Hasit's Neighbours receacts to having an autistic man in the neighbourhood. imagine how they some would feel with 300 autistic neighbours.
Anyways if you get this grant how much would it be for?
- Amy - 06-10-2006 11:56 AM
Any neighbours are far away. We would not be able to buy this piece, its an example. It will sell too quickly for us to get it most likely.
A grant is a possibilty, but usually if a person can pay half the costs, with mortgage or a trust.
- Amy - 06-10-2006 12:51 PM
That piece of land is 160 acres, the small island with it is 2 acres.
- Gareth - 06-10-2006 01:01 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4142822.stm
- Drifter - 06-23-2006 08:42 AM
I think it would be wise to keep both options open. We are not even sure how we are going fund this yet, given the problems with getting a charity status.
I still have a few doubts about either option. I also probably won't support this option unless I thought it was a spearhead of a larger goal of creating these resorts all over the world.
But, I think we should nix the artifical island idea. I agree with Gareth it is far more practical to buy a natural ilsand that build are own.
- Lestat - 06-24-2006 12:01 AM
Just because you are in n.Wales, Amy, hehehe :lol:
- Amy - 06-24-2006 12:07 AM
If we don't live in the area they won't give a grant will they.
- Futurilla - 08-02-2006 01:19 AM
I think people need to read H. Bey's musings on the radical potential of the summer camp...
http://www.hermetic.com/bey/periodic.html
- obekosomatic - 08-03-2006 12:41 PM
very nice indeed
I now disagree with myself. - Drifter - 08-09-2006 08:18 AM
I am doing a 180 on this idea. Now I have thought it over I think this is the only real possibility. The other ideas are I think beyond our reach. I thought so a first when amy told me about this. But I forgot these doubts as I got hooked by the general excietment. Now reason has taken hold again I this is the only real option.
but...
I still think you may be thinking too big. I may be not understanding this right but are you saying the this resort will encompass 2 acres? I checked google and that ~8km^2! That over twice the size of your design for Autfinity Island! or is the acre in UK different than it is in the US.
What I am envision is 10 -15 cottages housing 4-5 people each + a dinning area and admininstration buildings. I used to vacation in such a place when i was young. It was on Lake Kashagawigamog(I just wanted to say that). I think that is a reasonable first step.
- Amy - 08-09-2006 11:21 AM
Well we hope to start with whatever we can feasibly.
If we had the opportunity to get some land for example, we would start with that.
All and any opportunities will be explored. :smile: