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Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 05-27-2012 10:39 PM

Lately I've been hearing how parents are making up excuses for their child's bad grades in school with autism.

For example:
A Naive Mother"My son is failing history, and I don't know why. I know, I'll just say he has AUTISM"

Yes more and more parents/guardians are using autism as a scapegoat and whats worst is the fact that is making us aspies look like we're lazy, stupid, individuals (Not to mention spreading more false facts about what autism is).

Back when I was still in Elementary/middle/high school, I was, probably like yourselves were, put in Special Ed 95% of the school day. As I recall, only 5% of everyone in my special Ed class had a real disorder of some type and the rest were just lazy a**es. And did my Special Ed teachers give a dam* ? No, of course not.
The more they had in their classes, the more money in their pockets.
I didn't pay much attention to this fact till Mrs b*tch face tried her hardest to prevent me from graduating back in 06. I was put in alternative Ed at the time cause I was missing credits necessary to graduate, and the day came when I finally, after working my a** off, finished making up for lost credits. I worked through lunch break and hardly socialized, even when we watched movies I worked and worked. I remember asking for my diploma and Mr's nice-store-clerk-lady told me that my old special Ed teacher was making suggestions that I stay another year or two.

Well I didn't like that at all, neither did my alternative Ed teacher, so she went and talked to our principle and I graduated, I guess. I never did went to the high school to pick up my diploma, neither did I hear more on the final case.

But my point is the American school education system is corrupted as sh*t and the American parents of lazy children are using Autism as an excuse to escape the fact that their children are lazy.

So people be prepared to see an increase in Autistic misdiagnosed obnoxious lazy teenagers using Asperger's as a crown and a scapegoat at school. Not that any teenager on here is that due to the fact that they'd never use Asperger's as a crown if they truly have it. And I'm not trying to start a witch hunt on here neither, I'm just saying be prepared for Asperger's being more and more into the media spot light. Not as in "We discovered a new link" or "This may be the cause".. But as in "Parents are using Autism to explain why their children are bored in school" type of media BS.

And yes, I do foresee Autism Sneaks being a problem for every autistic person on this forum site who are rebelling against that organization. Why? cause Autism Sneaks is going to go to town on this new parents-who-use-autism-as-a-scapegoat trend thats sweeping America


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Some_Bloke - 05-27-2012 10:57 PM

Education system is UK is corrupted too, I bet the same thing happens over here but is either less common or hidden better due to the Nazi hate and blame being directed towards mainly immigrants or "poor people" Doesn't tend to be as much Autism covered in the media and when it is, it's normally a famous person coming out about it, or some documentary with an insensitive title like "My Child's not perfect"

As I've said before...

"The sooner society gets it's head out of it's ***, the sooner we can solve the world's problems.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 05-27-2012 11:38 PM

I agree about society having their heads up their a**es. Maybe if they'd stop blaming each other for everything that goes wrong in the world and started working together, we actually get things done. But it's like that famous author who wrote the novel "Gangs of New York" said.
If Democracy wouldn't work in a enclosed space, like New York City, then it wouldn't work elsewhere. That's not the correct quote, but it went something like that.  

Our Education Systems have gone to hel* and back with all the corruption and stupid curriculum programs our Board committees (Education Board that is) have created for the children's education. I mean how's algebra and up going to teach them to survive and fend for themselves ? Maybe it's beneficial for say, an architecture designer, but what does knowing 1(0)*9 = X got to do with survival after school ? I wish they'd rewrite their System to where they'd had to take classes based on what they want to do after they finish school, instead of having worthless algebra as a must-needed-credit to finish school Sad


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Xaisede - 05-28-2012 02:03 AM

People like that really make me mad. You know what? Just because your kid isn't smart doesn't mean he's autistic. They're just propogating the stereotypes.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 05-28-2012 02:14 AM

True JuggaspieZ2k, but parents just don't want to admit the fact that their children aren't all that smart, instead they blame autism Sad


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - skyblue1 - 05-28-2012 02:34 AM

*facepalm*


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 05-28-2012 02:36 AM

SkyBlue1 ???? lol


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Luke Mauser - 05-28-2012 03:03 PM

Dyslexia is much the same. It's a genuine 'condition'(?), but over the last 15 years or so, every thick kid is miraculously dyslexic! No! If you have trouble reading and writing which is out of proportion to your other academic acquisition, you're dyslexic (or maybe blind....). If you can't learn to read and write and similarly you can't learn simple facts, you're probably just plain stupid. That's not dyslexia.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - skyblue1 - 05-28-2012 03:26 PM

TV, video games, and disrespect for others are a few of the reasons for lazy children


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Zyggy - 05-28-2012 03:42 PM

Luke Mauser Wrote:
Dyslexia is much the same. It's a genuine 'condition'(?), but over the last 15 years or so, every thick kid is miraculously dyslexic! No! If you have trouble reading and writing which is out of proportion to your other academic acquisition, you're dyslexic (or maybe blind....). If you can't learn to read and write and similarly you can't learn simple facts, you're probably just plain stupid. That's not dyslexia.


My thoughts exactly.

I notice at my uni that around the time of exams and essay deadlines there is often an upsurge in people who miraculously slipped through the net that totally have dyslexia.

The fact that having dyslexia is enough to get you extra time in exams, free printing and etc is completely unrelated.

I am going to have to cut this short before I go into one of my rants.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Xaisede - 05-28-2012 05:55 PM

Isn't dyslexia where you see words/letters backwards? It seems that that would be easy to test for in children.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Bloke - 05-28-2012 06:07 PM

You know, I often find it very hard to be fully appreciative of such things as this.
The reason is that I have always been Autistic and never had any help for it. I have always been dyslexic and taht is OK.
It is embarassing sometimes adn my love to write and be concise quite often undermined, by my inability to get words down on the page right.
It is a lot better now than when i was younger. The stress of school really meant all I saw on the page were wavy lines and the marking on pieces of work that were hard fought to write a collage of red ink and circles.
Stress gees it up.
I got through 11 years of school barely literate. I was smart and articulate and completely devoid of any real sense of it. I could not convert anything written to anything of any meaning.
I studied in nightschool after school and on my own dollar and at my own pace.
I started to learn how to put sentences together properly and express myself. In time I sat my mature enterance examinations for uni and got in on my first preference. It was both humbling and vindicating.
I was no longer the dumb kid.
I worked **** hard to getthere though. The same could be said of my efforts in the workplace. The same in my efforts as a Dad. Life in general really. I never got help. Never asked.
I went through most of my life thiniing i was mentally retarded but did not give up. Just did the best i could.
I do not believe in free rides in life and do think though that people should get support if they need it and to the extent that they need it. No more and no less. I hate people taking advantage of any situatiomn.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 05-28-2012 06:33 PM

Even if children are genuinely autistic or have some other disorder, it still isn't an excuse to not at least try. I was born with Dyscalculia as a part of my Fragile X Syndrome. It's have your own disorder to learn math (even simple as I don't fractions and long division)

WikiPedia on Dyscalculia:
Dyscalculia (or maths disability) is a specific learning disability involving innate difficulty in learning or comprehending arithmetic. It is akin to dyslexia and includes difficulty in understanding numbers, learning how to manipulate numbers, learning maths facts, and a number of other related symptoms (although there is no exact form of the disability). Maths disabilities can also occur as the result of some types of brain injury, in which case the proper term is acalculia, to distinguish it from dyscalculia which is of innate, genetic or developmental origin.

Yeah people though (Those at the clinic) that I would never be able to learn Math, let alone Algebra, but I had one teacher who actually sat down one on one with me and I actually started to get the hang of it. ( I had a sort of random course in math when I was in school) My point is, just because you were born with a disability doesn't mean you can't at least try!

F***ing parents who use autism or other disabilities as a crutch for their lazy children deserve to get a visit from Child Protection Services more than wrongfully accused parents who are accused by people who dislike them Sad

Also here's the link on more about Dyscalculia Disorder  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

and here's the one on Dyslexia as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - mels8780 - 06-18-2012 05:11 PM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
Lately I've been hearing how parents are making up excuses for their child's bad grades in school with autism.

For example:
A Naive Mother"My son is failing history, and I don't know why. I know, I'll just say he has AUTISM"

Yes more and more parents/guardians are using autism as a scapegoat and whats worst is the fact that is making us aspies look like we're lazy, stupid, individuals (Not to mention spreading more false facts about what autism is).

Back when I was still in Elementary/middle/high school, I was, probably like yourselves were, put in Special Ed 95% of the school day. As I recall, only 5% of everyone in my special Ed class had a real disorder of some type and the rest were just lazy a**es. And did my Special Ed teachers give a dam* ? No, of course not.
The more they had in their classes, the more money in their pockets.
I didn't pay much attention to this fact till Mrs b*tch face tried her hardest to prevent me from graduating back in 06. I was put in alternative Ed at the time cause I was missing credits necessary to graduate, and the day came when I finally, after working my a** off, finished making up for lost credits. I worked through lunch break and hardly socialized, even when we watched movies I worked and worked. I remember asking for my diploma and Mr's nice-store-clerk-lady told me that my old special Ed teacher was making suggestions that I stay another year or two.

Well I didn't like that at all, neither did my alternative Ed teacher, so she went and talked to our principle and I graduated, I guess. I never did went to the high school to pick up my diploma, neither did I hear more on the final case.

But my point is the American school education system is corrupted as sh*t and the American parents of lazy children are using Autism as an excuse to escape the fact that their children are lazy.

So people be prepared to see an increase in Autistic misdiagnosed obnoxious lazy teenagers using Asperger's as a crown and a scapegoat at school. Not that any teenager on here is that due to the fact that they'd never use Asperger's as a crown if they truly have it. And I'm not trying to start a witch hunt on here neither, I'm just saying be prepared for Asperger's being more and more into the media spot light. Not as in "We discovered a new link" or "This may be the cause".. But as in "Parents are using Autism to explain why their children are bored in school" type of media BS.

And yes, I do foresee Autism Sneaks being a problem for every autistic person on this forum site who are rebelling against that organization. Why? cause Autism Sneaks is going to go to town on this new parents-who-use-autism-as-a-scapegoat trend thats sweeping America


1. You are not lazy just because you get bad grades
2. Some autistics really do have issues in school, are they stupid?
3. At least you're not one of those people so obsessed with autism image that you insult autistics who have issues, using any argument you can to say that they just suck and need to get a move on, or attack those who say that they are depressed and have troubles in life. Disgusting... >.> OR insult mothers or fathers who talk on the news about something that does include showing a disadvantage partly due to autism... its like "let's hide em from the news so that those less functional don't make me look bad! ow, my ego!"

You don't need to insult the children who get bad grades just because you're mad with their moms either. Some may not care, but you don't know which ones do and don't. You attacked the wrong people when you called them lazy and stupid.

I also disagree that someone wouldn't use their condition as a crown just because they are autistic. Autistics aren't any kind of pure or innocent or special. Just saying. Some definitely do complain of issues in school, seemingly justified though. Some have pride all the way up to here & feel very entitled.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 06:40 PM

Well okay, maybe it was a bit harsh for me to accuse all children who get bad grades in school to be lazy and vice versa. Your right, Autistic children suffer in school too. I was merely pointing out that parents trying to explain away their children s bad behavior in school on Autism. I know that some if not most autistic children do occasionally act up in school (Not trying to start a negative stereotype or anything). But what about the children who don't have Autism with parent's who don't want to admit that their children are mean, who use Autism as an excuse ?  

I just hate when neurotypical children are diagnosed with Autism cause of their bad behavior in school, which certainly is started by Autism Speaks spreading negative stereotypes about Autism.  

Yes Neurotypical children can be Autistic, but I'm talking something that show "Glee" started when this girl, who acts like a brat used Asperger's as a crown.  

I'm sorry that my point is getting cleared (since I have trouble expressing myself) and I'm sorry that I offended you Sad I don't want to start a fight or anything, but I have a gift of saying the wrong thing or expressing myself wrong...

As for Autism Pride. That's something I'm learning the more I stay and post on this site. I'm starting to look at the positive things of having Asperger's instead of the negative.

The pride from this site is contagious Big Grin


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Shnoing - 06-18-2012 09:35 PM

Re. the title of this thread:
I didn't know you could be lazy in school; I only learned what "coasting" means when I was 38.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 09:59 PM

I'm beginning to think I should had giving this thread a different name .....


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 10:00 PM

But I was really ticked at the time and wasn't thinking very clearly...


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Rocco - 06-18-2012 10:29 PM

My mother does this with my brother. He's not autistic or have asperger's, but he does have ADHD. He takes major advantage of it and I tell my mother that and she says 'yeah, I know' but she doesn't do anything about it. When he does poor in school, she brings up the excuse that he has ADHD. It really makes me mad. There is A LOT of SMART people in this world that have ADD or ADHD, so it's no excuse. I know a lot of people that have ADD or ADHD that use their creativity to actually create something with that instead of just waste it on their lazy excuses.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 10:39 PM

And that is the point I'm trying to make on this thread. Big Grin


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Alison - 06-19-2012 01:49 AM

I never went to any sort of special education class when I was going through school, we didn't have them back then (1960's).  I have dyscalculia as well, but my English comprehension and ability were off the scale, since I'm also hyperlexic, so that sort of compensated and back then teachers didn't worry if a girl just couldn't comprehend math.  I mean, as far as they were concerned, at that time and place, (rural Australia) all girls got married anyway once they left school at 16, so why bother educating them any higher than the basics?  

But now, I don't know, I'd probably have been given extra help with my mathematics.  I might even have been diagnosed with Autism earlier.  I'm not sure that's such a good thing, though.  Not knowing I'm AS meant that I couldn't use it as some sort of crutch to lean on; I became very independent and developed a thick skin to insults.  

Alison


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - M - 06-20-2012 03:10 PM

I would have learned so much more - more on my own - than in class with the misbehaving kids.  

Most people do not really understand what autism is anyway.  People argue with me that I could not possibly have autism because I can "talk".


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Luke Mauser - 06-20-2012 03:47 PM

I learnt virtually nothing at school. I could read and write and add-up before I was five, and after that, if I was interested in something, I'd get a book and learn about it. School was such a waste of time that I woudl otherwise have used to educate myself.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Alison - 06-20-2012 04:58 PM

Luke Mauser Wrote:
I learnt virtually nothing at school. I could read and write and add-up before I was five, and after that, if I was interested in something, I'd get a book and learn about it. School was such a waste of time that I woudl otherwise have used to educate myself.


I liked the studying part of school, and enjoyed most of the lessons (not the math, that was incomprehensible to me, and not the sport, which I thought was an institutionalized form of torture - basketball, callisthenics, racing carnivals, wtf?  Not something I've EVER used in my adult life!)  But the actual learning I found enjoyable.  

It was just the social side of it, where I got picked on pretty relentlessly for everything and nothing by the other students.  I would have liked school more, I think, if I could have just done the lessons quietly and not had to go outside and play during recess and lunchtime, when the teachers went into the staffroom for their lunch and didn't bother to supervise at all.  And the half-four wait every afternoon for the bus, plus the hour-long journey to get home.  

Oh, and you didn't dare go into the girls toilets during the day, but had to hang on, because that's where the tough girls hung out, cutting class and smoking.  If they cornered you in there, it was nasty.  I learnt to jigger the lock on the female teacher's toilet when I was menstruating, so I could get in there, change myself and clean up without getting beat up in the girl's loo.  I did that for six years, and never got caught!

So yeah, the LEARNING part is fun.  The rest is hell on earth, for an Aspie.
Alison


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - sg1008 - 06-21-2012 08:12 AM

Alison Wrote:

Luke Mauser Wrote:
I learnt virtually nothing at school. I could read and write and add-up before I was five, and after that, if I was interested in something, I'd get a book and learn about it. School was such a waste of time that I woudl otherwise have used to educate myself.


I liked the studying part of school, and enjoyed most of the lessons (not the math, that was incomprehensible to me, and not the sport, which I thought was an institutionalized form of torture - basketball, callisthenics, racing carnivals, wtf?  Not something I've EVER used in my adult life!)  But the actual learning I found enjoyable.  

It was just the social side of it, where I got picked on pretty relentlessly for everything and nothing by the other students.  I would have liked school more, I think, if I could have just done the lessons quietly and not had to go outside and play during recess and lunchtime, when the teachers went into the staffroom for their lunch and didn't bother to supervise at all.  And the half-four wait every afternoon for the bus, plus the hour-long journey to get home.  

Oh, and you didn't dare go into the girls toilets during the day, but had to hang on, because that's where the tough girls hung out, cutting class and smoking.  If they cornered you in there, it was nasty.  I learnt to jigger the lock on the female teacher's toilet when I was menstruating, so I could get in there, change myself and clean up without getting beat up in the girl's loo.  I did that for six years, and never got caught!

So yeah, the LEARNING part is fun.  The rest is hell on earth, for an Aspie.
Alison


I don't think I necessarily got bullied, I was more often ignored, and some people liked me because I was nice and helpful...and I could be silly with the teachers, but at the same time I don't think I had a lot of common sense... when I look back, I think a lot of things people told me were lies, some things they had me do were ridiculous, and though they were laughing (and I liked to make people laugh) I suspect now that they may have been laughing at me....lol I didn't know any difference at the time.

However, I hated the social environment even if I wasn't being teased and I decided to stop showing up at school in 8th grade and subsequently failed out (since I hadn't done any work). I just sat at home, hiding in my basement and listening to music for the entire school day. After I was kicked out, my father home-schooled me which was great because I put together my own curriculum and gave myself tests, etc. It was all self-taught. In 11th and 12th grades I was taking college courses (i've been in college for a long time now). I hear high-school is the worst, so I am lucky I completely skipped it and I would probably have my future kids do the same (especially if they are autistic).

One of the things I have trouble with reconciling is the pros and cons of labeling a child- in psychology you can give a child a label to explain their bad behavior, etc, and suddenly it becomes a permanent excuse. So in a certain regard, they never have the opportunity to excel beyond a certain point because of the label (...a diagnosis is supposed to make treatment more accessible). That is why stereotypes associated with labels are VERY dangerous- it can end up causing someone to be more disabled than they really are...and can blacken ones self-esteem. And, yes, some people may fit the stereotypes and meet all the criteria, but many do not.

On that note, Autism Speaks does not seem to understand the extent of the damage they do...


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - 142857 - 06-21-2012 10:16 AM

When I were a lad you could easily have said "Laziness, the new scapegoat for autistic children". I, for example, was simply thought of as a lazy child because of my lack of focus and my executive dysfunction. The upside of the old days was that there were no excuses for someone like me.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Alison - 06-21-2012 01:36 PM

^This.
I got consistently high marks in school for everything except maths, but it seems none of the maths teachers I ever had twigged to it.  Or more likely, could be bothered.  The mind-set of the time was that girls would get married right out of school anyway and not play any other role apart from wife/mother for the rest of her life, so what was the point in education?  I'm more  pleased and encouraged than I can say that times have swung around and these days women have more opportunity.  I'd never go back to the grim old days of 1970's rural Australia.
It was bad enough living through it.  But looking back at it from this perspective made me realize what survivors we ALL are, AS and NT people.
Alison


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - kevout2 - 06-21-2012 02:01 PM

142857 Wrote:
When I were a lad you could easily have said "Laziness, the new scapegoat for autistic children". I, for example, was simply thought of as a lazy child because of my lack of focus and my executive dysfunction. The upside of the old days was that there were no excuses for someone like me.


When it comes to Asperger Syndrome (awareness) in modern times, I think a downside could be "learned helplessness", so therefore child will have a tendency to give up or have some sort of an entitlement mentality.  When I was a kid, I was always reminded that there was nothing wrong with me; therefore I should be doing better in school, working harder, etc.  To this day I always have a sense of substandard performance (such as not being fast enough at doing something).


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-21-2012 05:29 PM

My dad thinks he could have Asperger's but he wont get diagnosed. It's only cause he don't see the point of getting a diagnoses so late in his life since he is 40 :/


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Shnoing - 06-21-2012 09:23 PM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
My dad thinks he could have Asperger's but he wont get diagnosed. It's only cause he don't see the point of getting a diagnoses so late in his life since he is 40 :/

Suddenly, I feel so OOOOOLD. Tongue


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - League Girl - 06-21-2012 10:00 PM

That is so horrible. I have read in the childfree community about "breeders" making their kids special needs so they have an excuse and autism is one of them. I didn't even have excuses in my childhood and my mom didn't make any for me either. I remember trying hard with my school work and trying to get it done and finished and it was so hard to stay focused.

Quote:
If you can't learn to read and write and similarly you can't learn simple facts, you're probably just plain stupid. That's not dyslexia.



Or that person has some sort of other disability such as mental retardation.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-22-2012 12:00 AM

M Wrote:
I would have learned so much more - more on my own - than in class with the misbehaving kids.  

Most people do not really understand what autism is anyway.  People argue with me that I could not possibly have autism because I can "talk".


Thats just plain stupid.... Don't they know that its a wide range.... a variety?


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-22-2012 03:48 AM

Well welcome to today's world people. With this Autism Speaks spreading false lies about autism and a majority of people buying into it, of course your going to have ignorant people who don't understand what Autism is and isn't.

I have had similar experiences where people had told me that I couldn't be Autistic because I have "Finished school" or isn't throwing fits. Stupid stereotypes!


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-22-2012 03:55 AM

I'm just annoyed of ignorance in general


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - d_olson27 - 06-22-2012 03:56 AM

kevout2 Wrote:

142857 Wrote:
When I were a lad you could easily have said "Laziness, the new scapegoat for autistic children". I, for example, was simply thought of as a lazy child because of my lack of focus and my executive dysfunction. The upside of the old days was that there were no excuses for someone like me.


When it comes to Asperger Syndrome (awareness) in modern times, I think a downside could be "learned helplessness", so therefore child will have a tendency to give up or have some sort of an entitlement mentality.  When I was a kid, I was always reminded that there was nothing wrong with me; therefore I should be doing better in school, working harder, etc.  To this day I always have a sense of substandard performance (such as not being fast enough at doing something).


I've seen some of that. I've actually talked to some aspie teenagers, where I pretty much told them that they're looking to the wrong person if they want to be let off easy.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-22-2012 04:00 AM

I usually get very annoyed or pissed by stupid people who makes you out stupider than they are.

Back in school I knew a few of these people, and usually they would use my Autism against me to cover up the fact that they are complete morons. I'm sure a lot of us has had that same experience : /


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-22-2012 04:00 AM

Same goes for learning disabilities, if you can't learn something or "try" why do it and go through this process of life at all.... when you are going to be using your diagnosis as an excuse for it.... Its like that little midget in high school (excuse me little person) saying the reason for his purposeful outbursts was his ADHD.... Rolleyes


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-22-2012 04:11 AM

I knew a little person back in high school, he was one of my bullies......

Anyways I think I'm sounding like hypocrite here cause I myself has used my Autism and ADHD as an excuse and a crutch. So now I feel guilty for ranting on parents who do this to their kids Sad

I have too went through school not really trying cause I was downed about having Autism. But since I joined this site I feel like I had grown up some and because of your support I had eliminated at least some of my problems and what was making me miserable.  

So I'm admitting the fact that I'm no better than they are and I apologize for my hypocritical ways.......


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Alison - 06-22-2012 04:15 AM

I've been told by people that I "hide it well".  According to them, all autistics sit in a corner drooling, or else attacking people.  Excuse me?  I'm hiding nothing, and with me, what you see is what you get.  They just can't seem to get their heads around the fact that some of us are actually people, rather than some sort of two-headed monster.
Alison


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-22-2012 04:37 AM

Your right we are people and something to be feared....


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-22-2012 05:08 AM

This is just the beginning of our generation, our movement, our lives.... its just the beginning of it all....


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - 142857 - 06-22-2012 10:10 AM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
Your right we are people and something to be feared....


I don't want us to be feared. I want us to be accepted. If people fear us, we all know where that road leads.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-22-2012 04:15 PM

Actually that was a typo. I meant to say "your right we are people and not something to be feared" as in Alice saying how she wanted to be treated like a human being and not a two headed monster.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Earth Mum - 06-22-2012 11:31 PM

When my son says he can't do his chores because he has ***, I always tell him that certain things are probably more difficult for him than for others, but it's a tough world out there and I'm trying to help him to be prepared for that. By the way, my NT kids have their own excuses for trying not to do chores, so I have had to become rather resourceful in my answers.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-22-2012 11:40 PM

Earth Mum Wrote:
When my son says he can't do his chores because he has ***, I always tell him that certain things are probably more difficult for him than for others, but it's a tough world out there and I'm trying to help him to be prepared for that. By the way, my NT kids have their own excuses for trying not to do chores, so I have had to become rather resourceful in my answers.


Any advice you would want to give to my mom, for these kind of situations?


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Earth Mum - 06-25-2012 10:27 AM

Well, I recently got really fed up with the excuses, so I made a list of Rules and Regulations for our household. They apply to everyone, including me! It's all about bedtimes, computer time, chores, how many times I call them before they get a "black mark" to their names etc. They helpfully reminded me that I had forgotten to mention TV watching times!

So I think predictability is important. Especially for an Aspie kid, but it works well for everyone.

But the difficult thing is not drawing up the list, but applying it in practice and being very consistent about it. So far, so good!


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - sg1008 - 06-25-2012 02:10 PM

Earth Mum Wrote:
Well, I recently got really fed up with the excuses, so I made a list of Rules and Regulations for our household. They apply to everyone, including me! It's all about bedtimes, computer time, chores, how many times I call them before they get a "black mark" to their names etc. They helpfully reminded me that I had forgotten to mention TV watching times!

So I think predictability is important. Especially for an Aspie kid, but it works well for everyone.

But the difficult thing is not drawing up the list, but applying it in practice and being very consistent about it. So far, so good!


Hmm, if I had kids...I am not sure I could handle monitoring many children at once, all the time.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-25-2012 04:13 PM

That's why I don't bother with wanting or having kids, another reason is cause I'm still one myself. Sometimes I wonder if I'm ever going to grow up :/


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Alison - 06-25-2012 04:59 PM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
That's why I don't bother with wanting or having kids, another reason is cause I'm still one myself. Sometimes I wonder if I'm ever going to grow up :/


At 51 I still don't feel older than about 15.  
While I can handle adult situations efficiently, there's still a lot of the child (or teenager) in my outlook on life.  I don't think we actually do grow up, not exactly, we mature, but I hope we always retain that childlike wonder that seems to be an inherent part of our mindset.
Alison


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - kevout2 - 06-25-2012 06:26 PM

Alison Wrote:

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
That's why I don't bother with wanting or having kids, another reason is cause I'm still one myself. Sometimes I wonder if I'm ever going to grow up :/


At 51 I still don't feel older than about 15.  
While I can handle adult situations efficiently, there's still a lot of the child (or teenager) in my outlook on life.  I don't think we actually do grow up, not exactly, we mature, but I hope we always retain that childlike wonder that seems to be an inherent part of our mindset.
Alison


It's the "child-like wonder" which can inspire inventiveness in the face of "mother necessity".  Think "Thomas Edison".  Think "Thomas Jefferson" and his perpetual passion for Monticello.  The list could go on.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - sg1008 - 06-26-2012 03:55 AM

Alison Wrote:

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
That's why I don't bother with wanting or having kids, another reason is cause I'm still one myself. Sometimes I wonder if I'm ever going to grow up :/


At 51 I still don't feel older than about 15.  
While I can handle adult situations efficiently, there's still a lot of the child (or teenager) in my outlook on life.  I don't think we actually do grow up, not exactly, we mature, but I hope we always retain that childlike wonder that seems to be an inherent part of our mindset.
Alison


^I concur- I feel like a 10 year old still (and look like one too). I don't like people treating me like I am stupid though (for example, though I am childish, my thought pattern is generally very complex and I can process a lot of information quickly). Yet, because I look, sound, and react like a child (when excited or something), people tend to treat me as if I were simple-minded. I actually did not know I was smart until I was about 19...and even then, I didn't believe it at first when my mentors would tell me.


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Phillip J Fry - 06-26-2012 05:35 AM

Yeah I know how that feels.

I pretty much still have this childish laugh that I hate so much, and it sounds so much like one too. Every time one of Dad's friends refers to me as "the child" it makes me want to scream my head off. Allison may want to retain the childlike wonder that's a natural part of the aspie mindset, but I hate it sometimes.

Yes I have been called cute when I act like a child, but when people actually start referring to me as one, it tends to piss me off.

sg1008, when I was 15, I was always told I was cute but stupid. And this was mainly cause my voice literally sounded like the teenage Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars Episode II. I had that kind of idiotic sounded voice back then.  

But at least I still got my intelligence right ? Big Grin


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-26-2012 06:13 AM

It depends on how they measure intelligence.... sometimes the intelligence is there and they seem to not notice it....


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Alison - 06-26-2012 09:02 AM

Genesis Wrote:
It depends on how they measure intelligence.... sometimes the intelligence is there and they seem to not notice it....


You're so right.  I sometimes think we spook them, I really do.  So long as they can deride us as stupid, then we're not so scary.  But if they acknowledged that many of us are actually at least as smart as they are, then they worry about our potential.  And perhaps they might begin to feel a bit scared about having treated us so badly in the past?  So long as they can keep us in some sort of subservient retarded position, then they're not so scared, since we can then be disregarded as being just some sort of disabled form of them, rather than a new and functional species of human.  And our numbers are rising.  That's another thing they are becoming so uneasy about.  
Alison


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Earth Mum - 06-26-2012 11:37 AM

My husband is the most intelligent person  know. As he is so quiet not many people realize it, but he has an amazing brain. He also has a lot of responsibility at work. Yet he can be childish too, in a cute and funny way.

I don't see why it would be necessary to be "grown up" all the time; I think one would miss a lot of fun. And it has nothing at all to do with intelligence!


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - LNB1771 - 06-26-2012 05:55 PM

Genesis Wrote:

M Wrote:
I would have learned so much more - more on my own - than in class with the misbehaving kids.  

Most people do not really understand what autism is anyway.  People argue with me that I could not possibly have autism because I can "talk".


Thats just plain stupid.... Don't they know that its a wide range.... a variety?


I get people disbelieving that I was Dx'd autistic at age 3 because I seem so "normal" now.  Well, that was probably the result of a  combination of being so-called higher functioning and having had 40 hours/week intervention via Lovaas back in 1974/75.  Thing is, you can make a person behave however you want if given the right circumstances (ex: Milgram obedience studies); but I don't believe that learning how to behave normally really addresses the underlying reasons for the behavior.  It's sort of like treating a severe headache with pain pills that mask the symptoms, but don't really get at the root cause of the headache--a band-aid solution at best.  Besides, I'll never know how I might have turned out had I just been left alone.  It's an unanswerable question.  The worst part isn't the ABA, but not being told the truth about it for years.  That is the part that hurt the most for me.  

Regardless, I hate it when people (professionals) don't believe me.  I have documentation. Apparently, I don't fit their schema of what a person Dx'd with autism looks like as an adult (intervention or no intervention).  
Lydia


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-26-2012 07:46 PM

Alison Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:
It depends on how they measure intelligence.... sometimes the intelligence is there and they seem to not notice it....


You're so right.  I sometimes think we spook them, I really do.  So long as they can deride us as stupid, then we're not so scary.  But if they acknowledged that many of us are actually at least as smart as they are, then they worry about our potential.  And perhaps they might begin to feel a bit scared about having treated us so badly in the past?  So long as they can keep us in some sort of subservient retarded position, then they're not so scared, since we can then be disregarded as being just some sort of disabled form of them, rather than a new and functional species of human.  And our numbers are rising.  That's another thing they are becoming so uneasy about.  
Alison


Is that necessarily a bad thing? Or is it just a miscalculation?


RE: Autism, the new scape-goat for lazy children - Genesis - 06-26-2012 07:50 PM

LNB1771 Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:

M Wrote:
I would have learned so much more - more on my own - than in class with the misbehaving kids.  

Most people do not really understand what autism is anyway.  People argue with me that I could not possibly have autism because I can "talk".


Thats just plain stupid.... Don't they know that its a wide range.... a variety?


I get people disbelieving that I was Dx'd autistic at age 3 because I seem so "normal" now.  Well, that was probably the result of a  combination of being so-called higher functioning and having had 40 hours/week intervention via Lovaas back in 1974/75.  Thing is, you can make a person behave however you want if given the right circumstances (ex: Milgram obedience studies); but I don't believe that learning how to behave normally really addresses the underlying reasons for the behavior.  It's sort of like treating a severe headache with pain pills that mask the symptoms, but don't really get at the root cause of the headache--a band-aid solution at best.  Besides, I'll never know how I might have turned out had I just been left alone.  It's an unanswerable question.  The worst part isn't the ABA, but not being told the truth about it for years.  That is the part that hurt the most for me.  

Regardless, I hate it when people (professionals) don't believe me.  I have documentation. Apparently, I don't fit their schema of what a person Dx'd with autism looks like as an adult (intervention or no intervention).  
Lydia


Same goes for zealots that you thought we're your friend....