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Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - M - 04-30-2012 06:50 PM
I just was looking at a job ad in Toronto, Canada. It was for a housekeeper/nanny job. The address/location was in the middle of a landfill. So what these people live with their kids in the middle of a dump?
Most of the ads are with people not listing their real names, their address, or the phone number. I look up the phone number and it is not registered. I don't think that everyone has an unlisted number.
Often the job ads are requiring ridiculous or extreme qualifications. I had one woman call me and tell me that I too old and did not have enough experience. She was extremely rude and made me cry.
Congrats Canadians. How many people are doing immigration fraud and getting away with it? You refuse to hire people who are unemployed and want to work. The government is so stupid that it is changing the requirements for foreign worker permits so they can pay less than the going rate for Canadian workers. They also want to punish people on unemployment insurance for not taking jobs like nanny that they don't want. Anyway I would be falsely punished because people must be lying and saying that I wouldn't take the job offered. Since no offer at all has ever been made to me?
All you Canadians living in million dollar homes that can't pay your maid or nanny a living wage- you are going to have to pay a surtax now. You should to pay high taxes for all the people on welfare who you wouldn't hire.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Xaisede - 04-30-2012 07:09 PM
Are the fake jobs for fraudulent purposes?
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - mels8780 - 04-30-2012 08:37 PM
M Wrote:
I just was looking at a job ad in Toronto, Canada. It was for a housekeeper/nanny job. The address/location was in the middle of a landfill. So what these people live with their kids in the middle of a dump?
Most of the ads are with people not listing their real names, their address, or the phone number. I look up the phone number and it is not registered. I don't think that everyone has an unlisted number.
Often the job ads are requiring ridiculous or extreme qualifications. I had one woman call me and tell me that I too old and did not have enough experience. She was extremely rude and made me cry.
Congrats Canadians. How many people are doing immigration fraud and getting away with it? You refuse to hire people who are unemployed and want to work. The government is so stupid that it is changing the requirements for foreign worker permits so they can pay less than the going rate for Canadian workers. They also want to punish people on unemployment insurance for not taking jobs like nanny that they don't want. Anyway I would be falsely punished because people must be lying and saying that I wouldn't take the job offered. Since no offer at all has ever been made to me?
All you Canadians living in million dollar homes that can't pay your maid or nanny a living wage- you are going to have to pay a surtax now. You should to pay high taxes for all the people on welfare who you wouldn't hire.
Most of the ads are with people not listing their real names, their address, or the phone number. I look up the phone number and it is not registered. I don't think that everyone has an unlisted number.
Often the job ads are requiring ridiculous or extreme qualifications. I had one woman call me and tell me that I too old and did not have enough experience. She was extremely rude and made me cry.
Congrats Canadians. How many people are doing immigration fraud and getting away with it? You refuse to hire people who are unemployed and want to work. The government is so stupid that it is changing the requirements for foreign worker permits so they can pay less than the going rate for Canadian workers. They also want to punish people on unemployment insurance for not taking jobs like nanny that they don't want. Anyway I would be falsely punished because people must be lying and saying that I wouldn't take the job offered. Since no offer at all has ever been made to me?
All you Canadians living in million dollar homes that can't pay your maid or nanny a living wage- you are going to have to pay a surtax now. You should to pay high taxes for all the people on welfare who you wouldn't hire.
I wouldn't mind paying additional tax to help the people out if I were rich. Not hiring people certainly doesn't help. I don't feel any sympathy for wealthy people getting more taxes xD. They'll get over it.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Lestat - 05-01-2012 04:39 AM
I would sooner see the wealthiest people help the poor out directly, rather than paying taxes. I do not want to see governments getting their hands on more of peoples hard-earned money, when they have, country after country, administration after administration, govt. after govt. ALL proven they cannot be trusted.
How much would be spent on helping the poor, and how much would be spent on the govts employing advisors, holding meetings, renamings and rebrandings that cost multiple thousands of pounds (or insert relevant currency here), and how much would simply end up paying for politicians to have posh, expensive lunch, and line their own greedy pockets?
Where are you from, mels? here in the UK, road tax is a good example. Motorists are taxed up the wazoo, ostensibly to pay for repairs and maintenance of the roads...but how much gets spent on the roads is another matter. And despite our economic difficulties here in the UK our govt still fritters away squillions of pounds on quangos and bloody loads on foreign aid. We can't afford to run our own country, yet we throw money away to foreign countries, some, such as india, are not third world countries who's inhabitants have not so much as a pot to piss in, but are a developed, industrialized nation. I do not trust our government, or for that matter, any other government any further than I could spit a wad of chewing gum whilst standing on the surface of a neutron star (if doing so was physically possible of course)
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-01-2012 06:41 AM
I think the USA will have to vastly cut welfare to balance the budget.... we had better hire our own first and/or cut immigration and related initiatives to move people to jobs.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-01-2012 06:43 AM
And it is no one's fault but their own if India and China have a billion and a half people each and cannot employ them. Why should the world put its people on the dole or on the street to give them a job?
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - M - 05-01-2012 02:16 PM
Maybe certain corporations should be taxed more when they make a record profit the same year they lay off hundreds of workers.
Welfare could be cut but the reality is that most of the welfare money goes to paying rent often more than 80%. People will often get food and clothing from food banks, churches and charity groups. Most of the people are paying the hugest chunk of their welfare to rent, then pay phone/cable bill, then transportation and other. So when the money is going to the rent while how much of that is going to the banks for mortgages? When the huge payouts were to the banks recently? Phone and cable companies are making huge profits and operating with low costs. Public transportation costs much and that is operated at a deficient with the tax payers putting in the rest.
Poor people in India live in no housing and the poor in China might have substandard housing but at least if they are employed by a large factory there is housing complexes and dormitories. China likes to say there are Marxist state when they are really run by a small group of elite.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - MPower - 05-01-2012 06:39 PM
Here in the Netherlands so called ghost job ads are very common. They are usually from temp agencies that want to create a database so that when an actual vacancy comes along they can provide a suitable candidate immediately.
M Wrote:
Maybe certain corporations should be taxed more when they make a record profit the same year they lay off hundreds of workers.
The big problem is that they would make some alterations to their balance to make them look worse.
I've always wondered why companies that had a decrease in profits, but are still very profitable always manage to present that to the public as a loss and a reason to start a major reorganisation. It seems just because the share holders want them to.
The company I work for in fact removed itself from the NYSE and the DAX, just because they want none of this.
M Wrote:
Welfare could be cut.
In a world where there are plenty of jobs available welfare should be at level that makes it worthwhile to work for those that can.
In the current world millions of people have lost their jobs without fault of their own. Those willing to work but can't should be supported, albeit temporarily. Most people aren't on welfare for fun, but some politicians don't seem to understand that.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Vampslord - 05-01-2012 07:44 PM
M Wrote:
I just was looking at a job ad in Toronto, Canada. It was for a housekeeper/nanny job. The address/location was in the middle of a landfill. So what these people live with their kids in the middle of a dump?
Most of the ads are with people not listing their real names, their address, or the phone number. I look up the phone number and it is not registered. I don't think that everyone has an unlisted number.
Often the job ads are requiring ridiculous or extreme qualifications. I had one woman call me and tell me that I too old and did not have enough experience. She was extremely rude and made me cry.
Congrats Canadians. How many people are doing immigration fraud and getting away with it? You refuse to hire people who are unemployed and want to work. The government is so stupid that it is changing the requirements for foreign worker permits so they can pay less than the going rate for Canadian workers. They also want to punish people on unemployment insurance for not taking jobs like nanny that they don't want. Anyway I would be falsely punished because people must be lying and saying that I wouldn't take the job offered. Since no offer at all has ever been made to me?
All you Canadians living in million dollar homes that can't pay your maid or nanny a living wage- you are going to have to pay a surtax now. You should to pay high taxes for all the people on welfare who you wouldn't hire.
Most of the ads are with people not listing their real names, their address, or the phone number. I look up the phone number and it is not registered. I don't think that everyone has an unlisted number.
Often the job ads are requiring ridiculous or extreme qualifications. I had one woman call me and tell me that I too old and did not have enough experience. She was extremely rude and made me cry.
Congrats Canadians. How many people are doing immigration fraud and getting away with it? You refuse to hire people who are unemployed and want to work. The government is so stupid that it is changing the requirements for foreign worker permits so they can pay less than the going rate for Canadian workers. They also want to punish people on unemployment insurance for not taking jobs like nanny that they don't want. Anyway I would be falsely punished because people must be lying and saying that I wouldn't take the job offered. Since no offer at all has ever been made to me?
All you Canadians living in million dollar homes that can't pay your maid or nanny a living wage- you are going to have to pay a surtax now. You should to pay high taxes for all the people on welfare who you wouldn't hire.
Maybe your not praying enough to get a job!!
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Genesis - 05-01-2012 09:20 PM
In the states, its hard to look for a job, its hard to do those applications, its hard to do the personality tests, I can't find other jobs that lead for me to have more experience (Mainly because of those friggin' tests)
I just wish I had something for myself to do for 10 hours a week at least, then seat at home when there is no home stand at the Ball Park where I work.....
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Lestat - 05-01-2012 10:46 PM
Great idea M. Tax the piss out of big corporations to begin with. And when they make a large profit at the same time they lay off workers, unless its laying off foreigners at the expense of natives, tax them further still.
There will be howls of outrage, and squeals of fat cat piggies as their troughs get less in them, but screw the buggers, let them suck it up.
Nobody else gets a choice in the matter, so why the hell should the fatcats? They deserve to be squeezed, without regard to their pleas and excuses.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Genesis - 05-01-2012 10:48 PM
Is there an English saying Lestat that has anything to do with: Underemployment
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-02-2012 02:04 AM
I can offer a good reason to hire foreigners though, ambition to learn a second language and start over in a new land, probably more motivated than some of our own. However a country like America has to decide whether to chop down unemployment or hire the best and most motivated, and unless they are prepared to do something to or for the jobless, even if just to put them out of their misery, sarcasm alert, take responsibility for dealing with the consequences.
"Encouraging" fewer births is also the answer because the truth is we will have many elderly working for many years, young people will face competition from superior experienced people, unless there is prejudice.
In World War Two with soldiers away and the need to produce large amounts of everything, unemployment disappeared. It is worth noting immigration was restricted from 1924 to 1965 and rather few babies were born in the twenties compared to the Baby Boom.
From Color Nook at McDonalds
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - micgrace - 05-02-2012 03:36 AM
My 2 cents worth. Ever notice that a companies share price goes up when people are laid off?? Clearly unemployment is good for the fat cats so nothing is going to change any time soon.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - 142857 - 05-02-2012 05:30 AM
In Australia the IT industry is overwhelmingly staffed by foreigners. I was at a meeting last week and, out of about 20 people, there was me and an Australian born Chinese and an Australian born Italian and the rest were foreigners. I have nothing against foreigners, I have spent half my working life being one of them. But yes, this attitude of employers wanting to hire foreigners has driven most Aussies out of the industry or out of the country.
At this stage my next job is more likely to be in the middle east than in my homeland.
I do see a lot of jobs advertised for extensive qualifications and experience, and rubbish money. And when I try to apply for them the agents try to talk me out of it. It is too obvious what is going on.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - M - 05-02-2012 03:07 PM
There is a different between immigrants and foreign guest workers. Immigrants are living in the country and they most likely will become citizens. Foreign guest workers are hired just for a few months or years to cover "labour shortages" in certain areas. Other times workers are hired to fill positions that "no one in all of Canada has experience or qualifications" to fill.
I don't have anything against immigrants. I don't care where people were born. If they want to be citizens and have legal status, no problem.
I just don't think that a foreign guest worker should get a job that someone is willing to take so an employer can pay $85 per week less for or that some employer is lying to say that no one applied for that job.
So now when I apply for a job I try to check all the company, names and addresses to see if they are legitimate. Unfortunately some are email only on the ad so it is difficult to know unless you phone. No one will talk to you etc.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-03-2012 04:25 AM
A higher payroll tax on guest workers should limit their employment to cases of extreme necessity. That, and significant penalties for paying a guest worker less than comparable citizens. Make it very unprofitable to cheat....
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-03-2012 04:28 AM
Doing nothing for the jobless would be worse than Nazism because at least the Nazis put people out of their misery.
Shrek Wrote:
I can offer a good reason to hire foreigners though, ambition to learn a second language and start over in a new land, probably more motivated than some of our own. However a country like America has to decide whether to chop down unemployment or hire the best and most motivated, and unless they are prepared to do something to or for the jobless, even if just to put them out of their misery, sarcasm alert, take responsibility for dealing with the consequences.
"Encouraging" fewer births is also the answer because the truth is we will have many elderly working for many years, young people will face competition from superior experienced people, unless there is prejudice.
In World War Two with soldiers away and the need to produce large amounts of everything, unemployment disappeared. It is worth noting immigration was restricted from 1924 to 1965 and rather few babies were born in the twenties compared to the Baby Boom.
From Color Nook at McDonalds
"Encouraging" fewer births is also the answer because the truth is we will have many elderly working for many years, young people will face competition from superior experienced people, unless there is prejudice.
In World War Two with soldiers away and the need to produce large amounts of everything, unemployment disappeared. It is worth noting immigration was restricted from 1924 to 1965 and rather few babies were born in the twenties compared to the Baby Boom.
From Color Nook at McDonalds
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-03-2012 04:30 AM
That, plus criminalizing tailoring ads to specific individuals.... I think the essential functions of a job can be bureaucratically defined.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - Shrek - 05-03-2012 04:31 AM
Also get rid of birthright citizenship, Ireland did because it was abused.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - 142857 - 05-03-2012 05:24 AM
M Wrote:
There is a different between immigrants and foreign guest workers. Immigrants are living in the country and they most likely will become citizens. Foreign guest workers are hired just for a few months or years to cover "labour shortages" in certain areas. Other times workers are hired to fill positions that "no one in all of Canada has experience or qualifications" to fill.
I don't have anything against immigrants. I don't care where people were born. If they want to be citizens and have legal status, no problem.
I don't have anything against immigrants. I don't care where people were born. If they want to be citizens and have legal status, no problem.
I have nothing against immigrants. Immigration policies that flood the population with workers from a particular sector I DO have a problem with.
When it seems like every second taxi driver or convenience store worker in Sydney is a fellow IT professional, usually impressively qualified, then you don't have to think too hard to figure out why IT salaries have gone South and it's a nightmare trying to find a job.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - M - 05-03-2012 09:46 PM
142857 Wrote:
M Wrote:
There is a different between immigrants and foreign guest workers. Immigrants are living in the country and they most likely will become citizens. Foreign guest workers are hired just for a few months or years to cover "labour shortages" in certain areas. Other times workers are hired to fill positions that "no one in all of Canada has experience or qualifications" to fill.
I don't have anything against immigrants. I don't care where people were born. If they want to be citizens and have legal status, no problem.
I don't have anything against immigrants. I don't care where people were born. If they want to be citizens and have legal status, no problem.
I have nothing against immigrants. Immigration policies that flood the population with workers from a particular sector I DO have a problem with.
When it seems like every second taxi driver or convenience store worker in Sydney is a fellow IT professional, usually impressively qualified, then you don't have to think too hard to figure out why IT salaries have gone South and it's a nightmare trying to find a job.
GREED, GREED, GREED. The guest temporary worker permit is mostly about greed. Employers can deduce $85/week for room and board - that is over $4000 per year. Multiply that by several workers. Even restaurant owners getting chef school "students" to work for free as part of their co-op and no job when they graduate. The school was just set up to get cheap labour. It is disgusting.
Yes this is very damaging to people as well as the country in the future. There used to be a website "not Canada" to warn people about emigrating to Canada. People told their nightmares of being promised prosperity and jobs by certain Canadian agencies. When they arrived they found that their professional qualifications that allowed them to emigrate were recognized and they needed to pass exams and re certify before they could work here. Then the discrimination of "no Canadian work experience". People's lives were ruined and they became broke and could not go back to their homelands. Dreams destroyed.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - MPower - 05-04-2012 05:34 PM
Shrek Wrote:
Doing nothing for the jobless would be worse than Nazism because at least the Nazis put people out of their misery.
I think a lot of people in my country will be offended by this remark, especially with WW2 liberation day coming up tomorrow.
RE: Fraudulent Job ads in Canada - M - 05-07-2012 02:44 PM
MPower Wrote:
Shrek Wrote:
Doing nothing for the jobless would be worse than Nazism because at least the Nazis put people out of their misery.
I think a lot of people in my country will be offended by this remark, especially with WW2 liberation day coming up tomorrow.
NOT Nice at all. The government should not be putting unemployed people into work camps and then killing them. Being unemployed is not a crime.