- hmm- seemed to me yoga pants are good for taking a test (also known as "sitting for a test")
Alas, FYI: my Dad had a random (but WAY more lengthy - I missed an exam) conversation like that with me - out of the blue - later on I realized he was all flipped out about something unrelated. (it was a business issue)..so all of a sudden he was exerting or trying to exert some (extara) control over me - because he was not able to control something else majorly important to him) Alas, you ARE majorly important to him, so this really was a sort of a wires crossing (in my opinion)  misdirected "I love you and care about you" thing....He handled it badly -sounds like,  but - I hope you can realize he is just being human - flawed as we all are..etc.,

(and yoga pants are rather form fitting - though very very comfy) no use argue ing with him (or being mad at him) as you are aware, he is not making a bunch of sense at the moment...right?)

Oh yeah I just changed into jeans. I tried to say what about girls stroking guys abs w/o permiss but he was on the phone by then CX.

- hmm- seemed to me yoga pants are good for taking a test (also known as "sitting for a test")
Alas, FYI: my Dad had a random (but WAY more lengthy - I missed an exam) conversation like that with me - out of the blue - later on I realized he was all flipped out about something unrelated. (it was a business issue)..so all of a sudden he was exerting or trying to exert some (extara) control over me - because he was not able to control something else majorly important to him) Alas, you ARE majorly important to him, so this really was a sort of a wires crossing (in my opinion)  misdirected "I love you and care about you" thing....He handled it badly -sounds like,  but - I hope you can realize he is just being human - flawed as we all are..etc.,

(and yoga pants are rather form fitting - though very very comfy) no use argue ing with him (or being mad at him) as you are aware, he is not making a bunch of sense at the moment...right?)

He's really tight about anything he thinks will "draw" attention (although he says he knows it is natural... what does he think? That strangers will most likely walk up and touch me in day time). He thinks he "knows" everyone because of his experiences as well, he's said he "knows" w/ stuff w/ us (as if we are the same person.. ugh) and other guys as well, because he used to be a girl chaser when he was younger. That is so irritating, a parent who was a certain way when they were younger and is now tight on the reins because of it >.>

'Expose'.

Nice pun!

Ah. I'm not so judgmental with clothing, what you show means nothing to someone who doesn't care if they do sex. In this case it would be better to be an animal, they know what's natural. You're not "bad" or "naughty" for wearing short shorts. Heck, I wouldn't care if people paraded around in bikinis. People need to get over the human body. You're not going to get pregnant from stares.

Um, they weren't sold as work out gear. Just pants. It's not like they are those stocking pants things... that would be a bit weird and I would feel like I was missing a skirt to go with them. I really doubt anyone here is stupid enough to think that wearing yoga pants means you sell sex. But some parts of society just might be dumb enough. Anyway, in my district, people borrow others yoga pants before they can buy their own. So you won't be seen that way by people who have nothing better to do than *** about others here.

I see you have a son. What about him? Or is it like everyone else, he can go shirtless with ABS and have girls drooling over him. Or maybe speedo like shorts? Maybe girls can even stroke his abs without permission, and that'd be okay. People, if you have a son, you need to at least be restrictive about his clothing too. It's not a case of girls don't stare and touch, it's a case of they GET TO DO it and get away with it.

Scene: Somewhere, in a bar... a guy smacks a girls behind... people look with eyes that say "disgrace". Somewhere across the room, after a few dozen people... a girl approaches a guy, lays her hand on his shoulder, he says he's going to get a drink, she squeezes his ***, and winks. He says he's not interested. She traces his biceps. Nothing happens.

Women wearing shorts and tank tops in Jakarta is not socially acceptable in certain areas.  You see people wearing clothing that is not considered covering enough at Buddhist temples and they are asked to cover up.  It is seen as disrespect not selling sex.

People wearing sexy clothing are going to get attention, men or women.  Only why do people want others to see them only as sex objects or toys?

There are several reasons for wearing clothing
1.  protection from the environment such as weather, work conditions
2.  cultural signification to status or profession
3.  advertising class, wealth, gender and status, sexual availability, establish physical boundaries

Some people have done away with clothing and enjoy nudism or naturalism.

I think it was people 'getting over' your body that he was worried about.

^   I`m with 'Dad' on this one


probably would have been my reaction also

I remember one time, my grandfather telling me I would have to walk on the other side of the street, as he wasnt going to be seen in public with me dressed in whatever way I was dressed, on that day

hadnt seen that, nice looking women

I'm pretty sure that joke is inappropriate. But it sure made me laugh out loud.

It does look awkward sometimes, I guess. if your thighs are big, especially.

But I was dressed o_O That's the kind of snappy stuff he pulled first. I don't want to get dressed, and have someone say "you have to get dressed", I'd prefer a reply without all that attitude especially in an instance where I never purposely did anything wrong. You just don't have to be that way about it. I also hate when someone goes "Are you going to clean that" or are you going to comb your hair when they saw me do it, why can't they be straight forward and just say I missed a spot, or that they think my hair is messy? Don't make me feel like I even tried for NOTHING or that I'm being discredited as even trying, urgh, smart arse crap I will not do with my children. And whenever my mom says that I especially hate it because my hair looks FINE to everyone else and my other parent never complains about my hair when she does. I think "theres NO flying ends, no frizz, no kinks, etc, what is wrong with  my hair?" I'm not into this whole "get dressed, those are house clothes" thing anyway, if people want to wear a hoodie and sweat pants out even, why not. Forget "formal clothes" or clothes that are "too informal" being off limits. I don't care what some in society blab or say is the "right" clothing. It isn't hurting anything so much that people need to be that way about it. There are other things people need to waste their time worrying about.

Being seen as "sexy" doesn't mean you're seen as nothing but a sex object. It would be sad indeed if humans couldnt go completely naked in natural form, even, without being seen as nothing but a sex object. It's that individual's problem. When someone is wearing clothing that covers them head to toe, they're seen as some stranger you don't know and may not care about. Wearing less clothing, you're seen as some stranger they don't know, who also may have admirable physical traits. Let's cover up on the beach next, because if you were nothing but shorts (guys) or nothing but a bikini (girls), you'll be seen as nothing but an object! To me its just an exaggeration to demonize something natural, sometimes used by feminazis- sexual attraction (when they accuse someone of reducing someone to an object when they're appreciating a physical trait of someone in particular, well not physical because you can stare at someones face all you want and not be accused of "objectification", so sexual traits, well no, you get away with it if it's a guy you're doing it to, so sexual traits of a girl). Wonder what it is when you don't know someone and can't think anything of them because you find them plain. xD "You're thinking of them as nothing!"

After I had a look at those pictures, and a little time to think it over, it seems to me that wearing yoga pants in public (outside the gym) is a class indicator (whether or not "class" is something YOU believe in, everywhere exist at least unwritten and unspoken rules about class).
By wearing yoga pants in public you'd be classified as lower working class (or whatever it's called where you live) - and it would shed a bad light on your family as well (just like reading the "wrong" newspaper, watching the "wrong" shows on TV, etc.).

Btw, I wouldn't have believed that 10 years ago, and I was over 30 already then!

OK maybe something a little easier for you is this:
Wear what you want.
Move out from Mum and Dad because they just blah and are snappy.
Go around and wear what you want. YOu want to wear joga pants and flip flops when having a job interview for example? Who are THEY to dictate you wear otherwise? Unreasonable. You are more comfortable attending lectures in a bikini? Why not?
OR...
Perhaps...just perhaps they realise what is appropriate in social circumstances more than their ungrateful child who would, despite their efforts to help her - indeed parent her,  refer very off-handly into their explanations as "blah", to their efforts in presuming her to have the same adult appreciation of appropriate dress sense as "being snappy" and their want to protect her image and what is thought of her (and indeed how others may treat her) as some feminist slight?

He obviously cares a lot for you. I don't see from what you said, you are worthy of such consideration,

That is another alternative.

hmmm- do not think "class" has anything to do with this.

If anything Yoga pants are "higher" class than sweat pants after all////
alas, as I said not a big deal the pants, it is a bigger issue with the dad I think - not that any of us or he is judging the OP over a pair of pants - it is a very small thing.  Big picture is:  dad cares and wants only the best for his girl.. (wants to attepmt to control the thoughts of others so they are all nice thoughts I think).

I Love Aff, only here can we have a thread go on 3 pages over pants we are really getting into every possible angle (quite tangental by now I am sure)
and I do tnot think the OP has said - as the thread continued - that she does not see where he is coming from - it is quite natural for a gal of a certain age to start saying she will buy her own clothing and wear what she wants when she is... etc.,  I am sure many of us - can remember having various and even similar thoughts about how our parents wanted us to dress or cut our hair etc., we hopefully mostly attempted to respect that/them and picked our battles... and then as someone said here - did attempt the same with our kids...

Oh that is at least part of it. That explain the Dad => Op side of things reasonably well
The other side is the OP => Dad side of things.
* She wants to wear these pants.
* because Dad tells her to get dressed (Assumes she would know it is socially inappropriate to go out in these yoga pants) he is snappy.
* When he makes an effort to explain it (and trying probably very badly) to explain why it is importnat for her to be protected and is caring in his want...she calls it "blah".

That is my reading.

Is that the way anyone else reads itor perhaps i am either missing something or reading a little too much into it? Opinions?

She's about the same age that I was when I started questioning the advices I got from my parents. So, it might just be a developmental stage you have to go through.

See my post on the Big Bang Theory thread.No 'line' in my humour!

the link earlier eek! (I am sorry I finally looked at it) shows jeggings/tights and not yoga pants..

the jeggings are leggings - that used to be called tights that used to have clothing over them...

I do think gals should think look at a what not to wear type show with photos and actually SEE what they look like in jeggings...  as I said yoga pants are not bad...  alas the dad was overreacting...I do think he wants his daughter to be strong (and it sounds like she is...)

the best posts on here by far (in my opinion) is by awiddershinlife.

REALLY great, thanks.

good thread... (much ado about nothing but still perhaps good? what do you think mel?)

I can't believe the crap you just spouted Ana, so I guess that makes us even.

You realise you deanded that people don't demand - and no one actually did demand in the first place. You then back this by making the point that Mel was her own person...that again no one was contending.

I don't know what your definition of crap is, but.....

Now, Awiddershinlife you know the definition of a red herring, and i suspect you know too that this is what you just dropped into this argument...yes?
This was not ever an argument for feminist debate and the suppression of women in society and all that comes with it.
Let's put it back into context. Bear with me. Yoga pants. Do i have anything against yoga pants? Hell, no. Girls look very nice in yoga pants. I am a big fan.
Yoga pants are comfortable? I imagine they would be. They are designed for yoga. They can be used for other simlar endevours and are very well suited. Pilates, Aerobics, and so on. For such activities they are not only worn but they or other similar garb is expected and effective. With me so far? No arguments?
Bikinis. Look very nice too. They are designed as bathers. They are very effective in this regard and again in the swimming pool or beach are expected to be worn.
Lingerie looks very nice. Designed for sexy bedtime gear. Designed and worn for such ocassions.
Fancy dress. Very specific purpose and design again. In the right setting very much expected and accepted.
Formal suit and tie/Evening dress. Again not a usual run of the mill dressing but very specific in purpose and in the right setting very much expected and accepted.
I don't think any of this you would argue with right? has any of this touched on your want to introduce superfluous feminist meanderings? No?
Ok let's find a good reason to say to hell with the status quo and societal expectations? Hmmm...if you are a bit stuck try....I dunno...many the supression of women throughout history. Challenge the patriachal society. Be strong women. Sounding really empowering.
Now THAT should give rise to wearing clothes designed specifically for one sphere of social usage and wear them in others.
Sure! That makes sense (as much sense as riding a bike with no hands - Yes you can do it but that does not make it a good idea).
I say what the heck. Why not go full hog here. I am of course going to meekly withdraw from promoting my views of meeting what i consider social acceptance, out of fear that your red herring argument may suddenly try to draw an inference that I am a sexist male with a patriachal and dominating mindset. Who am I to give rise to the attempt to misconstrue such a position.
No. Ladies and gents of the forum, I implore you to rise up against societal expectation.
Fancy dress? What would be better in the bedroom than that, honestly? Lingerie you say? save that for your next trip to the pool. Bikinis? that is your next pilates or yoga class covered. How much better would it be to wear what the hell you liked? Damn society.
You are right when you say

(Not that i saw much in the way of respect as reciprocated to her parents in her comments about them nor a show of respecting their values...but hell that is a whole new story. Being that it was aimed at the male and she is a female that should be Ok)
This quote of yours suggests that they and maybe even myself are from an old world and Mel in a new world. Begs the question i guess whether or not we all are on the same world. Is this another men are from mars and Women from Venus thing or is it somehow implying that some of us are not on Earth and some are? Bit confused but no matter.
I for the life of me did not see the world change where such pushing the boundaries of dress sense became a political point. Now that i have been thoroughly and rightly reproached for such a misunderstanding i look forward to the next trip i take to the beach and won't mis the next black tie affair i get invited to.
You are so right that society needs to loosen up in these ways.
Power on sister i am right behind you!

Very well said M. So it is not just all us Patrichal Dominating female Suppressing males? Glad to hear. Thumbs up.

I am very quick to head thataway on the first tangent I see, but I think I was not the first to respond to some of the comments as gender  biased. Not that anything was said because of negative feelings about daughters, but still biased.

I think many older girls and young women think powerful sexuality comes from skimping on material and others feel the need to hide their sexuality altogether. One of my daughters was one and another the other. I also had a foster daughter who though a smaller size of clothing would make her look smaller (it makes one look bigger). I feel that they all have learned to respect their bodies, boundaries, and enjoy their sexuality (as opposed to disrespecting their sexuality). Their presentation is powerful competent and acceptable to just about anyone. Micromanaging (which I suck at) on my part was not an issue, but I did suggest, use my wallet, and listen to them. (I am actually not particularly fashionable. I find something I like and buy it in five colors so people know I am changing my clothes every day for work and otherwise buy at goodwill - recycling).

One of my daughters is a massage therapist so yoga pants are a natural at work for her. However, my other daughter is an admin asst to a top executive at a major fashion corporation that even I have heard of. She wears yoga pants. She claims that fashion is all in the top. Yoga pants are under stated and form flattering without being revealing. Like I said, I am also a convert. They are oh so comfortable. I think there are yoga pants for yoga class and "yoga pants" for nonyoga occasions.

I am ending my fifth decade, and my generation (coming of age in the 60s) was all about using clothing to make all sorts of statements.

As a high schooler, the miniskirt was all the rage and great material for the big power struggles adult-wannabes thrive on. There were lots of rules that required rulers to determine if the rules were broken. I was not of miniskirt ilk and chose floor length dresses (pants were still strictly forbidden for my gender at school). The principal actually attempted to suspend me for dress code violation.

I can't believe you've missed four decades of fashion statements and intergenerational power struggles over fashion....

You were "heading" that way? No Awiddershinlife, you had picked up the ball and run with it. Your premise were only slight more sophisticated than Ana in trying to imply what was said or inferred (which was not) and then attack a false premise.
Leave the person defending the position to either: Apologise for what they did not say and make them look like they did imply anything you put to them, defend against your position and look like they have a case to answer, or perhaps if they see what you are doing point it out for what it is. It is not a very nice ploy.

That said, you are right i do not see in teh world today such subtle fashion politics or the tremendous battle in the fashion arena. Closest i get to seeing such fashion statements is the ocassional cover of a woman's magazine touting best and worst dressed, the ocassional snippet on TV announcing a new fashion show and showing a few annorexic girls walking around wearing ridiculous designs accompanied with weird head gear and ocassionally see through clothes. (none that I honestly think - as avante garde and expensive as they are no doubt - would actually buy to wear) , and of course interviews on occassions with Lady Gaga (Madonna used to wear similar weird stuff and no doubt for the same effect).

So no, I do not see what you see. Which is weird don't you think?

Okay, bloke, you win. Mel is the first person on earth to deviate from her parents generation in terms of fashion and I am a *** for thinking the female gender should not be forced into styles for our own good.

so **** ban me!  I am going the way of hienrick anyway.

Mel, get thee to a nunnery!!

Wow! I don't even know where to start with this seeming nonsensical tirade.

I guess firstly, I never inferred or suggested you were a ***. That is a title you place on yourself. Why? I don't know. You sandwiched it somewhere inbetween a statement that Mel is not the first person to deviate from style from her parents? (No one made this case as far as i can tell. I am more than happy to see this seemingly obvious premise pointed out. If it was not said or inferred or implied then i can only assume it is a attempt to colour what has been said to suit a position that has no bearing) and between an even greater flight of fancy that anyone has inferred that "girls should be forced into stles of fashion for their own good"

Nope, none of this has been said. Were it to have been said perhaps you may have a point. Perhaps it would be able to be a point in which to argue. It has not be argued though. It has been stated by you vehemently of course that this is of note and it seems central to what you promote here but that is not saying that  anyone has contested or entertained it. I really don't know that anyone should or whether it even has a basis in all that has been said by others.

Asking me to ban you? I am not a mod or Admin and were i even to have such banning powers, why would I have any want to use the banhammer on you? For making a silly argument? For trying to introduce superfluous and falacious arguments? For my disagreeing with you trying to box me into the position of a sexist by subtlely trying to reframe unfairly? No I read straight through that and it did not upset me.

Mel to a nunnery? Any particular reason why? Because she does not agree with her parents? Because she does not show her parents the degree of respect you deem she should have from them? Because she was given a parental perspective on what was socially acceptable?

This point needs i think to be explained. My own son is a little oblivious as to what would be seen as acceptable in dress. He is likely to wear clothes that have worn through and are with holes or too short or otherwise a mixmatch. I have to police this. He does not recognise this and i know that despite him not knowing, others will. I police this and I try to show him that whilst he ought to be able to wear clothes he likes that certain clothes WILL reflect or MAY reflect badly on him. It may look like he has por self-esteem, no pride, that he does not care about his appearance. Now with all you put to me of my belief that her father in bringing up these things is being overly censoring or suppressing of her "female sexuality" i simply call bullshit. It was a red herring. You wanted to place a set of values that made aparents want to promote and suppoort his child (male or female - and right or wrong for that matter) as nothing at all to do with force or with wanting his daughter to go to a nunnery or in any way with or without sexuality. I think it is rather sly and rather bad form to impune this.

Et tu, Brute?

What's up with you and bloke and the let's try to make widders feel bad committee? It won't work; you two are small fry compared to others who have tried.

The course of yoga pants never did run smooth. Let get back to Mel and her fashion issues!

This is Bloke castigating me

More of Bloke taking issue with my comments

And more……
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You were "heading" that way? No Awiddershinlife, you had picked up the ball and run with it. Your premise were only slight more sophisticated than Ana in trying to imply what was said or inferred (which was not) and then attack a false premise.
Leave the person defending the position to either: Apologise for what they did not say and make them look like they did imply anything you put to them, defend against your position and look like they have a case to answer, or perhaps if they see what you are doing point it out for what it is. It is not a very nice ploy.

That said, you are right i do not see in teh world today such subtle fashion politics or the tremendous battle in the fashion arena. Closest i get to seeing such fashion statements is the ocassional cover of a woman's magazine touting best and worst dressed, the ocassional snippet on TV announcing a new fashion show and showing a few annorexic girls walking around wearing ridiculous designs accompanied with weird head gear and ocassionally see through clothes. (none that I honestly think - as avante garde and expensive as they are no doubt - would actually buy to wear) , and of course interviews on occassions with Lady Gaga (Madonna used to wear similar weird stuff and no doubt for the same effect).

So no, I do not see what you see. Which is weird don't you think?
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To answer your question, Bloke…. no , I don’t think it is weird that you do not see what I see.

I don’t understand why you think I don’t have the right to jump in and comment on anything posted in the forums.

I will concede that I did rant a bit. I was off on my negative stereotype crusade (also another brilliant Mel inspired thread), and could not take the time to respond to your comments.

But I am not the one spouting nonsense….its okay for each person on the thread to offer respectful contributions. It doesn’t need to go to a you’re right/you’re wrong platform.

And finally, do I know you from somewhere (i.e. were you that guy I cut in front of yesterday?) that you would take such a strong stance against anything I contribute?

don't worry, be happy...

Well, I made the "insinuation". I think perhaps you might find me offensive in some way and are responding to this. We often dislike a trait in a person then eventually realize that it is something we don't like in ourselves. Maybe you don't like our similarities and it makes you reactive.  Perhaps feminists piss you off. I donno, but I will call foul if I think it warranted. and vice versa - okay?


Who'd a thunk a bunch of aspies would have such strong opinions about yoga pants! Maybe Simon Baron Cohen has a theory about this...

I continue to "insinuate" it, Bloke....

Furthermore, this is getting tiresome. I would like to avoid this kind of personal entanglement in the future.  

I will simple ignore future comments from you. You can do with this fact as you will, but entertaining whether or not you agree with my viewpoints is simple is boring at this point.

Adios!

I see. Subtlely maligning people and making up premises to make a point about things is better fun than being honest and direct, and indeed if anyone were to call you on this you bid them "Adios" and ride into the sunset, refusing to "play the game" anymore.
Pretty weak, Awiddershinlife. From a lady in her 50's, I find that surprising too.
So long as you and myself and now perhaps everyone else on the forum understands, this is not about me being unreasonable. This is simply about you choosing to make a claim against me and when confronted and asked to give reason to account, you run away. Not much in the way of credibility to be seen on your part in this action.
I ask you to define "cowardly".

Not quite getting you unless this is some reference to the cowardly lion off Wizard of OZ.
You may be best explaining to me.

The place is your TOWEL.

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