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Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Alison - 04-16-2012 03:17 PM

I found this while I was perusing the Education Week site, the link is: http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/speced/2012/04/do_iq_tests_incorrectly_label.html

By Nirvi Shah on April 13, 2012 2:30 PM

If a child has autism and doesn't respond to verbal cues, how can an IQ test in which they are asked questions be a real measure of their intelligence?

At the Council for Exceptional Children's annual convention, a pair of researchers from universities in Florida today shared those and other concerns about using some types of IQ tests with children with autism, tests that may wrongly find these children have intellectual disabilities.

"Are we saying there aren't a lot of kids that have autism that don't have [intellectual disabilities]?" said Douglas Carothers, of Florida Gulf Coast University. "We're saying there's no good way to tell."

He noted that many children with autism don't respond to verbal stimuli and may speak little themselves, but some psychologists expect them to respond to questions on an IQ test out loud. If asked to create a sequence from a series of pictures in order to test their social skills, "they may be more interested in the pieces than the whole," Carothers continued.

In fact, the examiner's manual of one IQ test, the WISC-IV, cautions that "it is important not to attribute low performance on a cognitive test to low intellectual ability when, in fact, it may be attributable to physical, language, or sensory difficulties."

Fellow researcher Ronald Taylor, of Florida Atlantic University, said that by some measures, 70 percent of children with autism have also been labeled as intellectually disabled.

"We're wondering, first of all, why does the IQ have to be tested," Taylor said. If schools already know a child has autism, they can determine what supports and resources they need in the classroom based on that assessment.

IQ tests given to children with autism who don't know the person testing them can also pose a challenge.

"Think about the characteristics of the child," Carothers said. "It's really important that the child be really comfortable with the examiner. That's a real tough one to get around."

Some school psychologists in the room said they often note on evaluations of children that test results may underestimate IQ. But they said they are also under pressure from schools to assess students in certain ways: The results may play a large role in deciding what kinds of state tests the student takes, tests that end up being used as measures of schools and teachers.

Carothers and Taylor, who have a forthcoming paper on this issue, said the additional label of a student with autism as intellectually disabled can be stigmatizing, and there are other measures that can work much better, such as a portfolio of their work that demonstrates students' capabilities.

"Do what you have to do to satisfy your districts," Carothers said, "and then do with the kids what serves them best."


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Genesis - 04-16-2012 04:05 PM

Wow... these guys are somewhat getting it... I'm somewhere in that category the sameway those kids are.... Then again... everyone tests differently.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Shrek - 04-17-2012 02:59 AM

As mom apparently married for smart genes, she said she could have married for looks if intelligence was carried through the mother, I am glad she had smart misfits, what would she have done if we were really intellectually disabled? She seemed upset that I was fat for instance...


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - d_olson27 - 04-17-2012 04:04 AM

Of all the autistics I've met, some are within the average range of intelligence, and many are downright brilliant. That pretty much encompasses all of them that could demonstrate their intellectual abilities. I have met several where you just can't tell how smart they are.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - 142857 - 04-17-2012 04:58 AM

IQ tests also overstate how intelligent some autistic people are. They are a poor measure any way you look at it.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - skyblue1 - 04-17-2012 05:03 AM

Why give an IQ test to a child, that is having trouble with communication?  Wait till they are older.

Then again they didnt say how old the 'kids' were.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - d_olson27 - 04-17-2012 05:19 AM

I've met some adults that have some major issues with communication, as well.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Lestat - 04-17-2012 01:40 PM

Why give IQ tests at all? I've always thought, especially in auties/aspies that IQ testing is a load of pointless bog's dollocks. Instead of trying to generate an artificial numeric value as a reflection of intelligence, focus on testing to see what adaptations and/or support the kids need to learn best. People learn in very different ways as it is. Some people learn best by doing, some by reading how to do, some by being guided by one who has already done.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - LadiKapitan - 04-17-2012 04:15 PM

Lestat Wrote:
Why give IQ tests at all? I've always thought, especially in auties/aspies that IQ testing is a load of pointless bog's dollocks. Instead of trying to generate an artificial numeric value as a reflection of intelligence, focus on testing to see what adaptations and/or support the kids need to learn best. People learn in very different ways as it is. Some people learn best by doing, some by reading how to do, some by being guided by one who has already done.


Agreed here.
To me, those IQ tests are merely simple, ordinary tests. They are very much as fallible as a typical classroom test. Only I feel the IQ test is geared toward certain ways of learning, and doesn't encompass ALL ways in which others learn. That is just simply asking for criticism, and failure on their part.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - skyblue1 - 04-17-2012 06:32 PM

d_olson27 Wrote:
I've met some adults that have some major issues with communication, as well.


As far as communicating in an NA fashion we all have problems. Some just more servere

Perhaps AutSpks could spend some of their funds and develop a proper IQ test for all ND`s


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Kapkao - 04-18-2012 06:04 AM

depends. Wink

is there an 'IQ test' for LFAs? Tongue

otherwise... YES, the label is VERY wrong!


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - League Girl - 04-18-2012 07:40 AM

I used to score in the mildly retarded range and then in the borderline range until I was about ten. That was because of my communication issues and I didn't talk well. Even when I did become a talker, my verbal IQ was low.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - 142857 - 04-18-2012 09:54 AM

I (usually) get unrealistically high scores on IQ tests and aptitude tests. They unduly reward my natural aptitude for mathematics and pattern recognition, and fail to take into account the deficits that hold me back in the real world.

I'm not complaining, mind you. I've scored some of my best IT jobs on the back of these sort of tests.

The inaccuracy of these tests for autistic people cuts both ways, I think.


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Genesis - 04-18-2012 12:21 PM

Why have IQ tests to begin with? I know it was developed in France to determine where the students were at, but what else is there that I do not know about?

I was just in France two weeks ago, and it didn't occur to me why this question has been hovering over my head for years. Why did the French develop this test?


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Shrek - 04-18-2012 12:29 PM

My verbal IQ lags behind my nonverbal IQ


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Shrek - 04-18-2012 12:31 PM

IQ tests can provide some rough measure of ability which is useful in job placement, esp. The military, although many boys managed to play dumb


RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - M - 04-18-2012 12:41 PM

The tests could be wrong if the questions are given verbally and the children are expected to reply verbally.  That is like telling a person who can not get out of a wheelchair to take a test off a shelf and put it back when they are finished.  

If they assessed the child with what their usual activities were and then introducing a new activity that is similar - they might be surprised.  

It is like the hearing impaired child that no one reads books to.  The excuse is they cannot hear the story.  I was reading to the kid anyway and we were having a great time pointed at the illustrations and communicating nonverbally.  


Alison Wrote:
I found this while I was perusing the Education Week site, the link is: http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/speced/2012/04/do_iq_tests_incorrectly_label.html

By Nirvi Shah on April 13, 2012 2:30 PM

If a child has autism and doesn't respond to verbal cues, how can an IQ test in which they are asked questions be a real measure of their intelligence?

At the Council for Exceptional Children's annual convention, a pair of researchers from universities in Florida today shared those and other concerns about using some types of IQ tests with children with autism, tests that may wrongly find these children have intellectual disabilities.

"Are we saying there aren't a lot of kids that have autism that don't have [intellectual disabilities]?" said Douglas Carothers, of Florida Gulf Coast University. "We're saying there's no good way to tell."

He noted that many children with autism don't respond to verbal stimuli and may speak little themselves, but some psychologists expect them to respond to questions on an IQ test out loud. If asked to create a sequence from a series of pictures in order to test their social skills, "they may be more interested in the pieces than the whole," Carothers continued.

In fact, the examiner's manual of one IQ test, the WISC-IV, cautions that "it is important not to attribute low performance on a cognitive test to low intellectual ability when, in fact, it may be attributable to physical, language, or sensory difficulties."

Fellow researcher Ronald Taylor, of Florida Atlantic University, said that by some measures, 70 percent of children with autism have also been labeled as intellectually disabled.

"We're wondering, first of all, why does the IQ have to be tested," Taylor said. If schools already know a child has autism, they can determine what supports and resources they need in the classroom based on that assessment.

IQ tests given to children with autism who don't know the person testing them can also pose a challenge.

"Think about the characteristics of the child," Carothers said. "It's really important that the child be really comfortable with the examiner. That's a real tough one to get around."

Some school psychologists in the room said they often note on evaluations of children that test results may underestimate IQ. But they said they are also under pressure from schools to assess students in certain ways: The results may play a large role in deciding what kinds of state tests the student takes, tests that end up being used as measures of schools and teachers.

Carothers and Taylor, who have a forthcoming paper on this issue, said the additional label of a student with autism as intellectually disabled can be stigmatizing, and there are other measures that can work much better, such as a portfolio of their work that demonstrates students' capabilities.

"Do what you have to do to satisfy your districts," Carothers said, "and then do with the kids what serves them best."




RE: Do IQ Tests Wrongly Label Some with Autism as Intellectually Disabled? - Katie1 - 04-19-2012 04:58 AM

skyblue1  Wrote:

d_olson27 Wrote:
I've met some adults that have some major issues with communication, as well.


As far as communicating in an NA fashion we all have problems. Some just more servere

Perhaps AutSpks could spend some of their funds and develop a proper IQ test for all ND`s


You are the first person I've ever seen use NA.  I like it.  

I think Michelle Dawson's research, on individuals with Aspergers and Autism showed the value, in testing individuals with autism disorder, that had scored low on the Weschler standard IQ tests, that include verbal, performance, and Full scale Intelligent quotients; with Raven Matrices indices measure of intelligence to test for fluid intelligence to over come the communication barrier..

However, as has been reported here in this thread, the standard test provides information on individuals, as far as their level of verbal IQ as opposed to performance IQ.  

It's important to determine potential disparities in verbal IQ and performance, in school age children, to find their strengths and weaknesses; when verbal IQ and performance IQ both are low, it's worthwhile testing with raven matrices to get past the communication barrier, per Dawson's research  

If I remember correctly so far at least 2 have reported disparaities in this measure, here in this thread that favor performance IQ over verbal IQ.  That's interesting as it is more indicative of Autism Disorder as opposed to Asperger's in Dawson's research.

Symptoms of Non-verbal learning disorder, are often concurrent with Aspergers Syndrome.  A disparity of a high verbal IQ as opposed to a low performance IQ, can be a clue for non-verbal learning disorder, that may lead to uncover other issues associated with non-verbal learning disorder, including lesions on the right hemisphere of the brain, through an MRI.

Because of these issues, I'm sure that standard Weschler tests of intelligence will continue to be used, with the potential addition of non-verbal measures like the Raven matrices measure of intelligence to overcome the communication barrier, when a barrier is determined to exist.