I was referring to my anticipatory response before Thanks.

Because, secretly, I despise the "main" participant.

How?

Give a more official presentation to 'diagnosis' rather than an individualized one.

Oh duly noted

they may run out of victims to pursue, less donations

Maybe.... just maybe

Disabled = wheelchair user Therefore if you don't use a wheelchair, you're seen as a fraud.
I sometimes use disabled facilities and sometimes I'm challenged by someone who doesn't see a wheelchair because I don't use one. While I don't consider myself disabled, legally I am, and sometimes I do need things that most people don't.
While I don't receive benefits or have a support worker etc, my family do a lot for me and there are a couple of charities that sometimes give me a nudge in the right direction. When I was young, I gained a great deal from support and courses which would not have been available without a DX.
There are many people who would have problems without a DX, I might if I didn't have my own little network of people.
Hidden disabilities are often misunderstood.

Personally I dislike the current ambiguity of the distinctions between autistic labels.
For example: I'm going for an assessment because I've expired If my childhood language delays etc are taken into account, I'll probably be labelled HFA. If not, I'll probably be labelled Aspie. If my faking skills are too good I'll be shown the door. It also depends who does the assessment.
Also, it is after all a spectrum and people don't fit neatly into boxes.

In the UK, the government are scrapping some disability benefits from those who won't complain too much (or will be ignored) in order to save money.
Perhaps the US is taking a slightly different route by reducing the number of legally disabled people there are.

A point to make (although it doesn't have to do with this thread; just a point made in the post):

Consider the prevalance of able bodied neurotypical people who nonchalantly use handicapped parking spots to park their cars because its convenient or they're in a hurry.  Even worse is such people who will have a handicapped placard or sticker on the car windshield yet such folks aren't disabled at all.  It's OK as long as you don't get caught and have to pay a fine.  Yet the typical Aspie will park far away if that's the only place to find a parking spot.  Then he'll be criticized by others (such as an NT passenger) for parking too far away or not "doing what anybody else would do".

Or it could lead to the agressive parents at autism speaks still getting children pushed through and tricking people.

QFT... great post

:thumbs up:

I doubt many fake ASDs. They get classified with them if their parent suspects it.

I call it Salem syndrome. It's an American phenomenon mostly. From Witches, to Communists, to ADHD sufferers, anything unusual in America can get people stuck with a label that can only get peeled off with an acetylene torch.

I wonder how Victorians dealt with this... oh that's right... they build empires amongst natives who didn't want anything to do with Brits. Everyone else the 'citizenry' didn't like got thrown in a badly maintained sanitarium or two. Caution; don't sleep in one during the winter!

Please don't do the "us vs them" culture thing with me. Make a politics thread for it.

Herd Mentality tends to be a case of precedent following the crowd rather than mean-spiritedness and paranoia.

Ah okay. I see what you mean.

Gedrene suggests America is more conformist than Britain at various times in the past and that being 'unique' in America is more of a 'crime' than it is in Britain. This is a joke if ever there was one and political flamebait if ever it was possible in an Autism board.

Please don't do the "us vs them" culture thing with me. Make a politics thread for it.

You are the one with the us v them attitude. I point out a problem with the psyche of the United States and instantly you jump down my throat with some anti-British mud-slinging.

No wonder you spam so much. It's to cover up that prickly interior.

No, I said that America has a problem with demagogic movements.
The fact that you have to resort to so much hyperbole 'if it ever was possible on an Autism Board' shows you're just paranoically defensive.

I wasn't talking about conformity. I was talking about demagogic movements. Could you stop mischaracterizing what I say just because you are intolerant of criticism of the USA?

Make a politics thread for it next time? Please pretty please? Maybe? Possibly?

I was responding to 41 6c 79 when I posted that answer. You just had to jump in to put in to petty anglophobic bilge

If I ever want to make a topic I'll post it in the right place.

Currently you are still posting comments in a a thread where a split was made for the express purpose of you commenting on random duff elsewhere. Pot calling kettle black.

Good luck, Gedrene. You are going to need it if you wish to take "being playful" into being combative and abrasive...

You accuse of calling the USA conformist and then go in to some anti-British Empire spiel. Now you're trying hard to ignore any wrongdoing you have made by poisoning the well.

Could you stop harassing me and then hypocritically calling me combatitive and abrasive?

Oooooooh................................... it's on.
The Kappers is riled.

Oooooooh................................... it's on.
The Kappers is riled.

Why are you relishing in the fact that he's threatening me?

So he isn't but he is. And you're enjoying it but you're not.

I didn't make a point of having sussed him. he did of me. So what is he doing pray tell if you actually know what I am thinking?

All in favor of nuking the British Empire say "aye"...


(hint: by the time of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Britain's days as an empire were finished)

Your use of the word "threatening" could be seen to be referring to implied violence against yourself. This is not the case.
And I'm enjoying the sparring.

You stated in another thread (too lazy to provide proof but others will have seen it) "You had him worked out in two posts"*
He's enjoying the sparring.

*paraphrased

Your point is.............

You denied that you relished the threat, now you admit that you do.

unfortunately the chart doesnt give a clue about who is in and who is out.

if a child has a DX will they lose their DX or does this only apply to the newly DX`ed children.

I R confuzed

I would guess probably only newly or revised DX; that's usually the way of things.

No I didn't. I thought it was a threat.

Kapkao asked for a vote on nuking the UK and went in to several anti-British rants. I said the USA has a few problems with demagouges, such as the red scare.

No point equating the two.

Agreed. I don't actually believe that they would force diagnosis if they could though. Although I have been wrong about the psychological community before...

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Strawman.
Your pissiness was evident long before Kappers nuke post.

No it isn't.

All in favor of nuking the British Empire say "aye"...


(hint: by the time of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Britain's days as an empire were finished)

Please can you prove what you say rather than just accuse me of things?

I smell conspiracy....someone is not wanting to pay for therapy

sweet dreams

You too

meh I gotta work tonight

playing music for drinking folks at the club......yeehaw

So you're not going to substantiate your accusations about me?

After denying that you were enjoying what was happening and then claiming that you did later?

Now here is where I actually sound snarky for the first time: What a surprise

Also consider that DSM is not the only set of definitions AND an assessing clinical psychologist is not required to stick rigidly to it anyway; they don't now and won't when it changes.

Indeed. I feel all it shall do is dissuade the timid and allow agressive, manipulative and defensive people the ability to still be diagnosed.

WUT?

I'm just wondering, under what circumstances would an Aspie require the use of a handicapped parking spot if he/she isn't physically handicapped?  Am I missing something?  (quite possible I am)
Thanks,
Lydia

I find the idea of being advised to "fake" autistic traits quite curious.  I always had operated under the assumption that if someone identified as having an ASD that he or she had a good reason to and didn't need to fake anything.  Perhaps this advice is in reference to the phenomena of people be "too high functioning" to warrant an ASD label, but who still feel as though they fall under the ASD umbrella.  Or is there really a group of people who wish to belong to the Autie/Aspie community for some other reason?  
Lydia

My point is that NTs break rules all the time and get away with it (most of the time).  Contrast this to Aspie tendencies to try to stay in compliance with rules, laws, etc. in order to avoid trouble.  As a driver, I do not deliberately speed or try to run stop signs and red lights.  But alot of other drivers do it and act as if its OK.  (But it's a different story if somebody gets injured or one has to pay a huge fine and go to court.)  I've been criticized for the way I drive all because I drive prudently.  I seem to get in the way of other drivers or can't get to Points A, B and C as fast as one who habitually ignores the rules of the road.  But hell, I don't need legal problems or have to pay any more that what I already pay for auto insurance. I have enough problems in my life, I don't want any unnecessary problems.

I'll try to hit the nail on the head.  About driving laws, rules and regulations, parking is another issue.  I don't need the heartache of parking tickets.  So I'll park far away if I have to.  "Normal" people would just as well park illegally (could be a spot reserved for the handicapped) and take for granted that the probability of getting caught and suffereing the consequences is nil.  (And then if caught, try to find a way out of having 5to pay the consequences.)

To word it another way, an Aspie who isn't physically handicapped is not as likely to park in a handicapped spot because he's in a hurry and takes for granted that if he cheats (in this case, the applicable motorist law), he probably won't get caught.  A typical able-bodied NT in a hurry would ignore the law about parking in a handicapped spot.  Remember that Aspies aren't as inclined to be dishonest; cheat; cut corners, etc.; the way many NT people are.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have the permit and it's posted, then you look like you need the spot.  

Some people who need it aren't able to get it.  The system is always imperfect.

There are also those who simply have no respect for this law.  I've seen people park in the no-parking zones between handicapped spaces: the areas where no one is ever allowed to park, because the space is reserved for people with lifts on their cars.  Then, no matter how it is rationalised by the person doing so, people who need the spaces are unable to benefit from them.  This should absolutely be prosecuted.  

There are reports of people parking in handicapped parking who do not need it but simply don't want to be left in the rain.  They then act self-righteously about being prosecuted for breaking a law designed to protect people who have it a lot harder than these people.  Somehow, the fact that someone else's misfortune is not one's fault is an automatic moral high ground for some people.  This impulse is even formally codified by some religions in the idea that disability is some sort of punishment for wickedness.  Actions in response to this should also be prosecuted.  You thing the fact that it rains sometimes is hard?

My Dx might change to Borderline Personality Disorder...and the aid that I get for talk therapy, medication, and house hold expenses on my end is in danger of being shut off...

I did get a response from the APA by the way, but it was very generic and dear xyz...

http://blessedaretheshallow.tumblr.com/post/17297284549/seems-generic-apa-response

Yea...they don't seem to get that I could very well not have the things that have constructively helped me cope thus far...Nor do they care...or both...it is a life or death thing they hold in there grasp...

The whole concept of the DSM being a psychiatric manual has always confused me to no end.

I just cannot figure out how a set of genetics that create a varying set of personality traits ends up under psychiatry and not neurology...

meanwhile...social psychological harm occurs from being relationally victimized which then can exhibit as a mental illness....

Eugenicists have been trying to prove that mental illness, criminality and generalized "moral characteristics", resistance to disease, physical strength and so on are (1) all genetic (2) assort by race and (3) assort by class since the nineteenth century.

If at least one mental illness can be linked to genetics, then (1) is in the bag.  If they can get people to ignore the diversity of all human "races" and ethnicities, at least outside their own, then (2) is "very suggestive."  (1) and (2) each imply (3) and so social justice can safely be ignored by the new ruling elite.

Edit: social darwinism is more of what depends on (3), but if the masses can be indoctrinated into its epistemology, along with (1) and (2), then eugenics has all it needs to start building camps.

I think I understand.  NTs are more likely to cheat/abuse the system than are Aspies.  I know that like you, I am more likely to just park further away than to try and fight someone for a closer spot.  Otherwise by the time all the aggravation of fighting subsides, I could have parked further away and been in the store already instead of still out looking for the "best" spot.  I think that my driving has improved with age as I've learned that I'll get to where I need to go just as quickly by following the speed limit than by speeding taking into account lights and traffic.  On the open road, however, there might be a time advantage to speeding, but then only if done reasonably (IMHO).
Thanks for answering my question,
Lydia