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Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 03:49 PM

Today, the United States Congress will be holding hearings on the first Censorship system for the US Internet.

This bill must not pass. Write your representatives and demand that they vote against it.



Watch this video for a better explaination

Some of you may disagree with us taking on this fight, but believe me - it affects us.

In the past, we've had a former member we've banned file a false DMCA claim against us and successfully take us down.

If this passes, our little forum is fucked. No two ways about it; Somebody will get butthurt about being banned and we'll get taken down, again - but this time, there's a risk of actual criminality behind it; Not just for Amy, Gareth and possibly myself, but for every single one of you.

Don't tell me that this will be carefully used and no false claims will succeed, because we've been on the wrong end of that tale before.

In addition, this has the potential to actually break the internet itself; The video above explains.


Today, we're standing alongside Mozilla, Creative Commons, Google, 4chan, Reddit, Wikimedia, Free Press, The EFF, Grooveshark and millions of others to say; "Aw, HELL NAW".
Do your part.


RE: Stop Censorship - Mytelli! - 11-16-2011 04:23 PM

lol


RE: Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 04:24 PM

Mytelli! Wrote:
lol


...Not going to ask why you have three sets of empty bold tags, but would you care to actually qualify that statement, or am I just removing that post in a completely unironic twist for lack of content?


RE: Stop Censorship - windy - 11-16-2011 04:30 PM

thanks for bringing this to my attention

(sneaky bastards - no wonder our media is distracting us with nonsense...)


RE: Stop Censorship - Amplexus - 11-16-2011 05:06 PM

I saw this morning  the US is trying to stop internet lying. Like on dating sites if you misrepresent something about yourself like your weight or on facebook if you don't use your real name.


RE: Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 05:09 PM

Amplexus Wrote:
I saw this morning  the US is trying to stop internet lying. Like on dating sites if you misrepresent something about yourself like your weight or on facebook if you don't use your real name.


That's not quite it; What you're referring to is criminalizing violation of a sites Terms of Service.

For example, under that bill, returning to a website you've been banned from would be breaking the law; Likewise, the example you gave, Facebook requires you to provide your real name - it's in the ToS. I am under a false name and I will never put my real name up there, because I'm not a frelling moron and I'm not in the public arena as myself, either. Gareth is under his real name, but he's listed on the DNS record for AFF anyway.

You'd still be free to lie about your name, age, weight etc, except on sites that specifically forbid it or require truth about that specific.


RE: Stop Censorship - Amplexus - 11-16-2011 05:15 PM

I'm sorry I was referring to this story because I have not heard about what you are saying and I am not sure if the US is hiding what you are saying  from the people.
Are we (US) already being censored in part? I could not find the info you wrote here only the story on ToS violation.
Scary stuff Pika..


RE: Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 05:17 PM

Amplexus Wrote:
I'm sorry I was referring to this story because I have not heard about what you are saying and I am not sure if the US is hiding what you are saying  from the people.
Are we (US) already being censored in part? I could not find the info you wrote here only the story on ToS violation.
Scary stuff Pika..


No, today is when the hearings begin on the matter - it's already weighted 5-1 for*.

Click the big image in the first to go to the relevant website for more info; It's also up on Slashdot. The specific bill is SOPA; Stop Online Piracy Act.

*Register of Copyights, someone from the MPAA, someone from Pfizer, someone from MasterCard, and someone from the AFL-CIO, vs a guy from Google. Mastercard were deliberately chosen because Visa opposes this; I am glad I have Visa, not Mastercard, and that Visa is the more common here.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 11-16-2011 05:23 PM

Why are they doing this now? Seriously... whats the whole freaking point of censoring websites?


RE: Stop Censorship - Shoneh - 11-16-2011 05:23 PM

I signed it.  If half the stuff that they're talking about comes to be, this would be a major problem.


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 11-16-2011 05:27 PM

Pikajedi3 Wrote:

Mytelli! Wrote:
lol


...Not going to ask why you have three sets of empty bold tags, but would you care to actually qualify that statement, or am I just removing that post in a completely unironic twist for lack of content?


I like both this post and the OP. Thank you, Mytelli! You've made up my mind on internet censorship.
(with a ***-eating grin!)
Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

Quote:
(sneaky bastards - no wonder our media is distracting us with nonsense...)


Quote:
"SOPA, regrettably, represents a big step backward in Washington's efforts to support the digital revolution, one of the only sectors of the economy that continues to grow."


No one is stealing news. MPAA, RIAA, and ESA fall completely within the bounds of the sorts of people who want to kill digital distribution, free content sources like youtube, parody of all shapes and sizes, satire as well, blogs, etc... that makes the web AND the entire internet what it is. So we all go back to 1999 internet.


RE: Stop Censorship - nialll - 11-16-2011 05:30 PM

oh yes, china and iran, two countries that every powerful, rich and relatively free western nation should aspire to be more like... would sign if i was in the US.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 11-16-2011 05:31 PM

Whats the point of censoring? Isn't it just going to get the masses angry?

***Moments later***

Duh!!!


RE: Stop Censorship - Magneto - 11-16-2011 05:31 PM

Strange how there are more Democrats than Republicans supporting the Protect IP act, and more Republicans than Democrats supporting the Stop Internet Piracy act... I wonder if it has anything to do with the phrasing. How much do the propositions differ by?

It would be strange for AFF, a website that as far as I'm aware is based in Britain, to be taken to court on the basis of an American law, but the US had done things like that before, so I wouldn't be surprised. Mind, they'd be able to block access for American users.

I can understand why the traditional media wouldn't want to report much on it, though - the internet as it is is losing them revenue. No big conspiricy is needed, just rational self-interest. Game theory and all that.


RE: Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 05:31 PM

Shoneh Wrote:
I signed it.  If half the stuff that they're talking about comes to be, this would be a major problem.


Do you know the best thing?

This won't do *** to stop piracy, because it just blocks DNS for stuff outside the US; All major trackers are now outside the US. All you need is the ip address and use that instead of a URL, or use one of the myriad of plugins for Firefox that already circumvent this shite.

Magneto Wrote:
It would be strange for AFF, a website that as far as I'm aware is based in Britain, to be taken to court on the basis of an American law, but the US had done things like that before, so I wouldn't be surprised. Mind, they'd be able to block access for American users.


We've already been taken down due to a false claim under the Digital Millenium Copy Right Act. At the time, we were hosted in Germany and had our DNS with an American company, 1and1.

I strongly advise anybody who is thinking of hosting or getting DNS from 1and1 to reconsider; They did not follow the correct procedure for DMCA takedowns and took us down without notice and without investigating. We switched to GoDaddy and they've prevented it happening again from the same person.

Now we're hosted elsewhere, and whilst US law still doesn't really apply to us, DNS Poisoning does, and losing all our US traffic would be a serious chunk of our monthly views. They wouldn't take us to court - that's not needed - just blacklisted or taken down.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 11-16-2011 05:38 PM

I sent a letter to the rep.... (well the automated one that is)


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 11-16-2011 05:47 PM

I also sent the link for petition reasons on my blog... anyone else with a blog should probably do the same?


RE: Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 05:51 PM

Genesis Wrote:
I also sent the link for petition reasons on my blog... anyone else with a blog should probably do the same?


Absolutely - go to the website and grab the splash and black bar, too.


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 11-16-2011 06:00 PM

Pikajedi3 Wrote:

Shoneh Wrote:
I signed it.  If half the stuff that they're talking about comes to be, this would be a major problem.


Do you know the best thing?

This won't do *** to stop piracy, because it just blocks DNS for stuff outside the US; All major trackers are now outside the US. All you need is the ip address and use that instead of a URL, or use one of the myriad of plugins for Firefox that already circumvent this shite.


List them, plz.

/bow


RE: Stop Censorship - - 11-16-2011 06:03 PM

Kapkao Wrote:

Pikajedi3 Wrote:

Shoneh Wrote:
I signed it.  If half the stuff that they're talking about comes to be, this would be a major problem.


Do you know the best thing?

This won't do *** to stop piracy, because it just blocks DNS for stuff outside the US; All major trackers are now outside the US. All you need is the ip address and use that instead of a URL, or use one of the myriad of plugins for Firefox that already circumvent this shite.


List them, plz.

/bow


MAFIAAFire is the one that comes immediately to mind, to circumvent COICA . Works in exactly the same way.


RE: Stop Censorship - Greginjersey - 11-16-2011 06:11 PM

I have also signed the automatic letter to fight against this bill and I will also be posting this on my twitter, myspace accounts and personally hand writing a letter to the representatives whose offices reside in my town's district

this is important to know and cannot be ignored


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 11-16-2011 07:07 PM

Pikajedi3 Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:

Pikajedi3 Wrote:

Shoneh Wrote:
I signed it.  If half the stuff that they're talking about comes to be, this would be a major problem.


Do you know the best thing?

This won't do *** to stop piracy, because it just blocks DNS for stuff outside the US; All major trackers are now outside the US. All you need is the ip address and use that instead of a URL, or use one of the myriad of plugins for Firefox that already circumvent this shite.


List them, plz.

/bow


MAFIAAFire is the one that comes immediately to mind, to circumvent COICA . Works in exactly the same way.


thx


RE: Stop Censorship - Xaisede - 11-16-2011 07:13 PM

OMG this is scary!!!


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 11-16-2011 08:46 PM

Thanks, hadnt heard anything about this lately


RE: Stop Censorship - JDBentz - 11-17-2011 12:34 AM

I heard of this from a YouTube video game walkthrough fella, as well as V-logger, goes under the moniker darksydephil. Put the links up in my FB page after filling out the petition. Hopefully the Utah rep is one of those opposing. Otherwise I'm voting for new people no matter what.

I didn't realize some of the ramifications. I could become a felon just for being part of AFF or having a blog or something? What the ***?


RE: Stop Censorship - robexib - 11-17-2011 12:40 AM

I signed it, but as long as it's only a few citizens getting in an uproar about this, it's gonna pass.

Plus, it really won't stop piracy, or the accessing of any site. All I'd have to do to access AFF again on the chance it gets blocked is find the IP, and type it into my URL bar. I'm sure TPB would release that info too, if this bill passes.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 11-17-2011 04:57 AM

I'll be calling my congressman and both my senators tomorrow. I'd call now, but their offices would be closed by now.


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 11-17-2011 09:17 AM

robexib Wrote:
I signed it, but as long as it's only a few citizens getting in an uproar about this, it's gonna pass.


"Only a few citizens" is not a problem.

It'll splash around, and it's already on slashdot. That's a definite plus.


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 11-17-2011 09:42 AM

The same used by China, Iran and Syria?!

WTF!!


I thought America was sup-post to be a democratic country.

The Internet is a great thing. For all ages, it should stay the same. If the system is the same as China, Syria and Iran… Then what is the point!? It makes you closer to countries that deserve to have a revolution.


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 11-17-2011 10:24 AM

Some_Bloke Wrote:
The same used by China, Iran and Syria?!

WTF!!


I thought America was sup-post to be a democratic country.

The Internet is a great thing. For all ages, it should stay the same. If the system is the same as China, Syria and Iran… Then what is the point!? It makes you closer to countries that deserve to have a revolution.


Niall was being slightly sarcastic... I think.
I play Dawn of Discovery.


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 11-17-2011 05:54 PM

Kapkao Wrote:

Some_Bloke Wrote:
The same used by China, Iran and Syria?!

WTF!!


I thought America was sup-post to be a democratic country.

The Internet is a great thing. For all ages, it should stay the same. If the system is the same as China, Syria and Iran… Then what is the point!? It makes you closer to countries that deserve to have a revolution.


Niall was being slightly sarcastic... I think.
I play Dawn of Discovery.

About the system being the same? That's actually in the first post.


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 11-28-2011 08:10 PM

So...

Did they pass it or not?


RE: Stop Censorship - Shnoing - 11-28-2011 08:53 PM

I thought 1&1 was a daughter company of the German Telekom AG.

... don't know how to influence members of Congress ...


RE: Stop Censorship - nialll - 11-28-2011 10:50 PM

Kapkao Wrote:

Some_Bloke Wrote:
The same used by China, Iran and Syria?!

WTF!!


I thought America was sup-post to be a democratic country.

The Internet is a great thing. For all ages, it should stay the same. If the system is the same as China, Syria and Iran… Then what is the point!? It makes you closer to countries that deserve to have a revolution.


Niall was being slightly sarcastic... I think.

I play Dawn of Discovery.



you think right Smile
though more than slightly, actually. i also dont think he was responding to me. but meh. nice to have some attention.


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 11-28-2011 11:45 PM

nialll Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:

Some_Bloke Wrote:
The same used by China, Iran and Syria?!

WTF!!


I thought America was sup-post to be a democratic country.

The Internet is a great thing. For all ages, it should stay the same. If the system is the same as China, Syria and Iran… Then what is the point!? It makes you closer to countries that deserve to have a revolution.


Niall was being slightly sarcastic... I think.

I play Dawn of Discovery.



you think right Smile
though more than slightly, actually. i also dont think he was responding to me. but meh. nice to have some attention.


I wasn't. Simple as that.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 12-01-2011 09:32 PM

One of my senators, Ron Wyden (D), has said that he will do everything he can to filibuster this bill!


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 12-01-2011 11:18 PM

No-one's still answered my questions.

Did they sign the damn stupid act or not?

Have they decided yet?

Won't affect me anyway if they sign it.

Yet...

Torie bastar*s will probably sign a similar act if it gets passed in the US. They'll do anything to make the poor poorer.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 12-01-2011 11:35 PM

It hasn't been voted on yet.


RE: Stop Censorship - Ana54 - 12-02-2011 08:30 PM

I already signed like 3 or 4 petitions against it... this one petition site said we managed to stop it but now it's back...


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 12-03-2011 02:06 AM

Part one is dead, Part two is still in process.... What are they thinking?


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 12-03-2011 09:44 PM

Genesis Wrote:
Part one is dead, Part two is still in process.... What are they thinking?

They don't think they just go ahead with it without thinking about the consequences. That's typical of Congress though.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 12-03-2011 11:59 PM

Genesis Wrote:
Part one is dead, Part two is still in process.... What are they thinking?


I haven't heard a lot about how this one's progressing, but what usually happens is the house and senate each have their own versions of a bill. They vote on those, and then they have to reconcile the two bills and vote on that. I suspect that's what's going on.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 12-04-2011 02:48 AM

d_olson27 Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:
Part one is dead, Part two is still in process.... What are they thinking?


I haven't heard a lot about how this one's progressing, but what usually happens is the house and senate each have their own versions of a bill. They vote on those, and then they have to reconcile the two bills and vote on that. I suspect that's what's going on.


Yep....


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 12-04-2011 03:54 AM

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57334409-281/sopas-most-aggressive-defender-u.s-chamber-of-commerce/

If anyone still needs a reason to think that "Intellectual Property" is (perhaps) the biggest farce in US Law, this would be it.

Granted, IT websites are going to paint laws like DMCA and SOPA in the most negative manner possible.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 12-04-2011 03:58 AM

Kapkao Wrote:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57334409-281/sopas-most-aggressive-defender-u.s-chamber-of-commerce/

If anyone still needs a reason to think that "Intellectual Property" is (perhaps) the biggest farce in US Law, this would be it.

Granted, IT websites are going to paint laws like DMCA and SOPA in the most negative manner possible.


How negative? Scale of 1-10 (10 being not so much 1 being we're basically done for)


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 12-04-2011 04:35 AM

Genesis Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57334409-281/sopas-most-aggressive-defender-u.s-chamber-of-commerce/

If anyone still needs a reason to think that "Intellectual Property" is (perhaps) the biggest farce in US Law, this would be it.

Granted, IT websites are going to paint laws like DMCA and SOPA in the most negative manner possible.


How negative? Scale of 1-10 (10 being not so much 1 being we're basically done for)


3, going on that one article. It's worth pointing out that the cnet article makes several assertions of fact that isn't backed up by any given data within the same article.

I like to keep factual reporting completely separated from opinion writing, even though I know that such a thing is impossible these days. (You'd have to read up on the history of journalism to understand)


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 12-04-2011 05:23 AM

Kapkao Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57334409-281/sopas-most-aggressive-defender-u.s-chamber-of-commerce/

If anyone still needs a reason to think that "Intellectual Property" is (perhaps) the biggest farce in US Law, this would be it.

Granted, IT websites are going to paint laws like DMCA and SOPA in the most negative manner possible.


How negative? Scale of 1-10 (10 being not so much 1 being we're basically done for)


3, going on that one article. It's worth pointing out that the cnet article makes several assertions of fact that isn't backed up by any given data within the same article.

I like to keep factual reporting completely separated from opinion writing, even though I know that such a thing is impossible these days. (You'd have to read up on the history of journalism to understand)


.....yeah..... I would.....


RE: Stop Censorship - windy - 12-04-2011 06:38 PM

Genesis Wrote:
Part one is dead, Part two is still in process.... What are they thinking?


The Colbert Report has a portion of the bill (being discussed) the anti piracy act (name as dumb as the clean air bill that did the opposite).

Colbert had two guys on,  one was the "defender of theives and pirates" ( a smart man a professor at like harvard) and the other replied - some businessman/blogger who said "oh, you are exaggerating, they woulnd't go after justin beiber, (regular people) they are just going to go after international companies or china" (so naive/dumb...)

(sorry too lazy to look for the clip) it was last week, nov 30th or dec 1st I think...


RE: Stop Censorship - Xaisede - 12-04-2011 09:36 PM

We NEED the internet for things like business, etc.


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 12-05-2011 09:45 AM

juggaspieZ2k Wrote:
We NEED the internet for things like business, etc.


Morons trying to pass it- Some fun facts that you either don't know, don't listen to or just can't be assed about.

Look at the money made by Mark Zuckerberg, look at the money google makes. Thousands of business start off and use the internet to grow. Do you want to increase unemployment?

I learnt more from the internet than I did from my first high school. Everyone who uses the internet learns something from it.

People express themselves online. People build and make relationships. People find help for problems. People find methods of escape from problems. By the year 2020 half the population will have depression. The internet maybe can decrease those numbers. Do you want that to happen? Do you want suicide ratings to increase?

Online shopping helps the economy more than hollywood movies. The internet as a whole helps the economy nearly 70x more than hollywood movies.

Many more fun facts but i'd be here all day stating them.


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 12-12-2011 04:21 AM

windy Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:
Part one is dead, Part two is still in process.... What are they thinking?


The Colbert Report has a portion of the bill (being discussed) the anti piracy act (name as dumb as the clean air bill that did the opposite).

Colbert had two guys on,  one was the "defender of theives and pirates" ( a smart man a professor at like harvard) and the other replied - some businessman/blogger who said "oh, you are exaggerating, they woulnd't go after justin beiber, (regular people) they are just going to go after international companies or china" (so naive/dumb...)

(sorry too lazy to look for the clip) it was last week, nov 30th or dec 1st I think...


If you cba (can't be arsed) for cites you cba. Wink
I'm like that every time I look for "The Real Rain Man"'s actual name (Kim Peek) after I've somehow forgotten it. There are numerous other forms of subject matter that I feel like bringing up in conversations when I don't remember the book names, tv quotations, web addresses, and (most importantly!) the names and dates of the subject matter in question.

Bottomline, if I can't be bothered to focus on 'it' at the time I'm reading about 'it' (meaning zero aureal and visual distractions), I can't be bothered to remember it accurately.


RE: Stop Censorship - j0hnny - 12-13-2011 06:21 PM

Essentially this bill is really the MPAA, RIAA, etc. shooting themselves in the foot. If they make their content that difficult to obtain and they push very hard with making their music only known to those with the money to pay for it, then more people will gravitate towards Free Culture Movements. Essentially, a nice good old fashioned boycott should shut up the big corporations for good. Though its doubtful this could ever happen the more people keep shutting up and taking the crap that the RIAA, MPAA, etc. keeps handing us.

Its great to fight against Censorship. However, if the RIAA wants to make it hard for everyone to listen to their music, if the MPAA wants to make it hard for us to watch their movies, etc. then let them go the way of the dinosaur. The more they act like complete fools, the more they will die essentially making the free market stronger.

Support people like Richard Stallman, Jello Biafra, as well as other artists, movie makers and software developers who are independents. These people will help to make a strong base for a free culture movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_culture_movement


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-10-2012 02:13 AM

If you refuse to support SOPA — like Google, Al Gore, Paul Ryan and many Internet companies — a new Android app called wants to help you take the next step and become a SOPA boycotter.

The free App, Boycott SOPA, scans products’ labels to determine whether they are made by or associated with a SOPA-supporting brand. A product returns a “bad item” alert if it is made by one of 873 SOPA-supporting brands. College juniors Chris Thompson and Chris Doranti, students at the University of British Columbia, compiled the list from media reports and Reddit links.

SOPA, if passed, would give the U.S. federal government power to disable a website it found to be in violation of copyright law.

The app’s “bad companies” list includes subsidiaries and parent companies of supporting brands. Coca-Cola, for instance, made the list through SOPA-supporter L’Oreal, which is owned in part by Coke’s Nestea partner, Nestle.

It does not include products such as movies and music, however. The heavy hitters of the entertainment industry are SOPA’s most vocal supporters.

Doranti tells Mashable he’s aware the list isn’t exhaustive. “That’s why we include a disclaimer,” he says.

The app has worked well enough to hit a chord with Android users, however. Doranti says that since launching Boycott SOPA on Friday evening, more than 5,000 users have scanned more than 15,000 items.

Eventually, the app’s creators hope to make a version that would also identify offending items in other boycotts. They started with SOPA, says Doranti, since “we thought it would be a cool programming project … we’re connoisseurs of the Internet, and SOPA is going to screw the Internet up.”

http://mashable.com/2012/01/09/boycott-sopa/


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-10-2012 02:14 AM

Study Confirms: News Networks Owned By SOPA Supporters... Are Ignoring SOPA/PIPA
from the but,-of-course dept
While the debates about SOPA/PIPA have been raging all over the internet, and appearing regularly in all sorts of mainstream newspapers, they still have been almost entirely absent from TV news. We've discussed this in the past, noting that the major TV news players are all owned by media conglomerates who have been major backers of SOPA/PIPA. There was some indication that cable news was starting to pay attention... but things have gone quiet since then (perhaps upper management sent out a memo...).

The folks over at Media Matters decided to check in on this and have confirmed that the big TV news players have almost entirely ignored it, despite the widespread controversy found elsewhere in the mainstream press:

As the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) makes its way through Congress, most major television news outlets -- MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, CBS, and NBC -- have ignored the bill during their evening broadcasts. One network, CNN, devoted a single evening segment to it.
The report does note that there have been articles online... but very few TV segments. It also discusses how much attention SOPA/PIPA is getting, concerning all the companies who have come out against it, the media coverage in the NY Times among other places, and the big GoDaddy flip-flop -- to highlight that this is a big story making waves.
Despite all of this, the response from American television news outlets has been to almost completely ignore the story during their evening programming. The lone exception was a segment on CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer in December, during which CNN parent company Time Warner's support for the legislation was not disclosed. (Though Fox News Channel has apparently not touched the story during evening programming, conservative/libertarian host Andrew Napolitano has run several segments vocally opposing SOPA on his program, which runs on the separate Fox Business Network.)
It's postulated that perhaps the issue is the fact that SOPA/PIPA don't fall along easily scripted left vs. right lines:
The fight over SOPA does not fit into the usual left vs. right narrative that occupies so much of the political horserace coverage with which TV news outlets fill their schedules. The cosponsors of SOPA come from both sides of the aisle. Likewise, the most vocal opponents of SOPA in Congress are an ideologically diverse bunch, including Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX) and Darrel Issa (R-CA).
Either that... or the corporate folks upstairs don't want to allow this to become an even bigger story.

Of course, as I was writing this up, Tim Cushing was writing up the same story (coordination, people, coordination!), with an alternate theory -- which makes sense too. So, everything below the line is his read on the situation:
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Tim Cushing's analysis: Gray areas seldom make compelling news, especially when there's no political angle to take. Beyond that, I think the mainstream media silence is also explained by the outdated thought process that still believes that the Internet Is Not Real.

First and foremost, the evening news is generally a broad overview of the days' happenings. Not only do they not have the time to delve into an issue that mainly affects an "ethereal" service like the web, but they also (ignoring any corporate bias for the sake of argument) have no interest in doing so. The cliche that "if it bleeds, it leads" likely eliminates a war that involves a bloodless dismantling of the internet. The internet is generally trotted out only as an example of how things are bad (online bullying, etc.) or how things are cute/weird (any crossover meme that can be easily brought up, discussed and dismissed forever in less than 60 seconds).

Even though many news teams invite you to follow them on Twitter or Facebook, the connection seems to go no further than that. The percentage of the population that still relies on the evening news to get them caught up on the world is unlikely to care about legislation that affects the internet.

In essence, the internet is still treated like some sort of fad infested with tech-y nerds and thus can be safely ignored when dealing with Real Issues on the nightly news. This attitude is pervasive, both within content companies and among our representatives. The gatekeepers pushing the legislation need the internet as much as it claims it needs them, but they want their own internet, one closer in spirit to The Village than the Wild West.

Our legislators are still amused by their own lack of internet prowess, indicating that they still believe the web to be some sort of "outlier" whose opinions can be easily dismissed. It's a cognitive gap, but it explains why the mainstream TV news so willingly ignores SOPA and the building momentum of its opposition: it's just the internet. It can be either humored or feared, but never respected.


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120108/00533117331/study-confirms-news-networks-owned-sopa-supporters-are-ignoring-sopapipa.shtml


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-10-2012 02:16 AM

SOPA: What if Google, Facebook and Twitter Went Offline in Protest


Can you imagine a world without Google or Facebook? If plans to protest the potential passing of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) come to fruition, you won’t need to; those sites, along with many other well-known online destinations, will go temporarily offline as a taste of what we could expect from a post-SOPA Internet.

Companies including Google, Facebook, Twitter, PayPal, Yahoo! and Wikipedia are said to be discussing a coordinated blackout of services to demonstrate the potential effect SOPA would have on the Internet, something already being called a “nuclear option” of protesting. The rumors surrounding the potential blackout were only strengthened by Markham Erickson, executive director of trade association NetCoalition, who told FoxNews that “a number of companies have had discussions about [blacking out services]” last week.

According to Erickson, the companies are well aware of how serious an act such a blackout would be:

This type of thing doesn’t happen because companies typically don’t want to put their users in that position. The difference is that these bills so fundamentally change the way the Internet works. People need to understand the effect this special-interest legislation will have on those who use the Internet.
The idea of an Internet blackout should seem familiar to anyone who’s been paying attention to the debate so far. In addition to a blackout already carried out by Mozilla, hacking group Anonymous proposed the same thing a couple of weeks ago, suggesting that sites replace their front pages with a statement protesting SOPA. That suggestion itself came a week after Jimmy Wales had asked Wikipedia users about the possibility of blacking out that site in protest of the bill


As a way of drawing attention to the topic, it’s something that will definitely work. Just Google alone going dark would cause havoc online, but the idea of it happening at the same time as Facebook, Twitter et al. follow suit seems almost unimaginable.

The question then becomes how to translate the inevitable confusion and outrage from those who don’t know what SOPA is into activism. The key, I assume, lies in the execution of the blackout: Will the sites that voluntarily go down be entirely unavailable or will they follow the Anonymous-proposed model of replacing the front page with a statement explaining what is going on, why and how users can best become involved in the discussion? If the sites do go entirely dark, is the hope that the resulting outrage will be enough to fuel news stories about the reason behind the decision? And that users will not transfer their frustration to the sites themselves, as opposed to the bill they’re protesting?

The fact that Facebook and Twitter are both said to be considering taking part in the blackout is simultaneously heartening and worrying. The former because, well, they’re standing up for what they collectively believe in — and that’s a good thing. But the latter because the lack of availability for social media on the proposed blackout day feels like it’s giving up the best chance to harness the frustration and energy people will feel about the temporary loss of the Internet as they know it, and a great possibility to focus and direct that energy into productive activism against SOPA. Then again, it may take losing Facebook and Twitter to really drive home how dramatically SOPA could affect the Internet.

All of this may come to nothing, of course. The companies may decide not to black out their sites and find other ways to protest SOPA. That could be for the best; collectively closing down the most trafficked sites on the Internet to prove a point will certainly garner a lot of attention, but the effects it’ll have beyond that (and the reactions it’ll cause as a result) are difficult to predict and could easily end up causing a backlash against the sites responsible at a time when they least want it. But still … just try to imagine an Internet without Google, Facebook or Yahoo. Even for a day. Almost makes you want it to happen, just to make people realize how reliant we are on the Internet as we know it now, doesn’t it?

Read more: http://techland.time.com/2012/01/05/sopa-what-if-google-facebook-and-twitter-went-offline-in-protest/#ixzz1j0frItsQ


RE: Stop Censorship - Phillip J Fry - 01-10-2012 05:24 AM

So our Government wants to censor our internet?
Wouldn't that violate the first amendment? The amendment about freedom of speech? oh wait a moment here, our freedom is already being taken away from us as we speak. Remember 9/11? Yeah that was planned by the Government to force Homeland security on us by scaring the living f*** out of us...  

And it's only a matter of time before Congress passes a new law to silent those protesters of Occupy Wall Street. I can already hear the foreign countries laughing their a**es off at us for our stupidity. Therefore I'm moving to Canada and becoming a Canadian Citizen.

Personally I think it's a matter of time before the Country of China comes and takes over this country because didn't we borrow a sh** load of money from them in one of our bailout plans? And anyways I think it's going to get a lot worse for this country before this year ends.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 01-10-2012 05:32 AM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
So our Government wants to censor our internet?
Wouldn't that violate the first amendment? The amendment about freedom of speech? oh wait a moment here, our freedom is already being taken away from us as we speak. Remember 9/11? Yeah that was planned by the Government to force Homeland security on us by scaring the living f*** out of us...  

And it's only a matter of time before Congress passes a new law to silent those protesters of Occupy Wall Street. I can already hear the foreign countries laughing their a**es off at us for our stupidity. Therefore I'm moving to Canada and becoming a Canadian Citizen.

Personally I think it's a matter of time before the Country of China comes and takes over this country because didn't we borrow a sh** load of money from them in one of our bailout plans? And anyways I think it's going to get a lot worse for this country before this year ends.


Conspiracy Theorist much?


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-10-2012 05:40 AM

actually they are right on target


RE: Stop Censorship - Phillip J Fry - 01-10-2012 05:50 AM

Genesis

Conspiracy Theorist much? Wrote:



Hey Buddy, I'm the real life Dale Gribble, And yes I have a ton of them... Lol

(Watch one episode of King of the Hill, if you don't get it)

and aren't you tired of those foreign Countries laughing at you? At our stupidity? I apologize if I had offended anyone here, but that's how I feel


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 01-10-2012 05:58 AM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:

Genesis

Conspiracy Theorist much? Wrote:



Hey Buddy, I'm the real life Dale Gribble, And yes I have a ton of them... Lol

(Watch one episode of King of the Hill, if you don't get it)

and aren't you tired of those foreign Countries laughing at you? At our stupidity? I apologize if I had offended anyone here, but that's how I feel


And why do you feel like that? Don't get me wrong, sometimes I agree with how stupid somethings get... then again... I only been back and adapted into American culture for 18 years of my life....


RE: Stop Censorship - Phillip J Fry - 01-10-2012 06:09 AM

Well look at how most Americans act in foreign countries, look at how the media tells people basically what to buy at Christmas time, and look at how they are watching us slowly giving our human rights to the rich Government. look at us in foreign eyes, how do they view Americans? Rich, spoiled, don't give a damn if people are starving in the world as long as it doesn't affect them in anyway . I'm not saying all Americans are idiots, just a majority of them. Most of us are easily brainwashed by the media. Most of us treat foreign people as sh**. They can't all see the small American population who are decent, nice, intelligent and helpful. How they view us is by what few American channels they can watch on T.v. like MTV's Super 16. So naturally they think were spoiled.


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 01-10-2012 06:18 AM

Oh dear Amerigo what has your birthright become of... Rolleyes


RE: Stop Censorship - Phillip J Fry - 01-10-2012 06:24 AM

... Anyways I'm totally against Internet censoring. Now maybe we could bring this debate back to the point, being against Congress censoring the Internet (Sorry about that folks)


RE: Stop Censorship - Some_Bloke - 01-10-2012 11:49 PM

Genesis Wrote:

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
So our Government wants to censor our internet?
Wouldn't that violate the first amendment? The amendment about freedom of speech? oh wait a moment here, our freedom is already being taken away from us as we speak. Remember 9/11? Yeah that was planned by the Government to force Homeland security on us by scaring the living f*** out of us...  

And it's only a matter of time before Congress passes a new law to silent those protesters of Occupy Wall Street. I can already hear the foreign countries laughing their a**es off at us for our stupidity. Therefore I'm moving to Canada and becoming a Canadian Citizen.

Personally I think it's a matter of time before the Country of China comes and takes over this country because didn't we borrow a sh** load of money from them in one of our bailout plans? And anyways I think it's going to get a lot worse for this country before this year ends.


Conspiracy Theorist much?

George Bush: too stupid to pull it off and too stupid to get away with it....


RE: Stop Censorship - - 01-16-2012 07:42 PM

The bill is dead; It was killed earlier today by Cantor (R-VA) declaring he will halt all action related to it.

But before we all go sucking each other's dicks, there's still PIPA.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 01-16-2012 08:35 PM

Cantor killed it? That's a surprise.


RE: Stop Censorship - - 01-16-2012 08:56 PM

d_olson27 Wrote:
Cantor killed it? That's a surprise.


I have no idea who he is or what his record is like.

However, there was a mass blackout planned for the 18th (don't quote me on that date, that's from memory) across many popular websites - Facebook, Google, Wikipedia and Amazon to name but a few - and it may be a tactical move in order to head off that, and afford more support to PIPA.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 01-16-2012 09:00 PM

Pikajedi3 Wrote:

d_olson27 Wrote:
Cantor killed it? That's a surprise.


I have no idea who he is or what his record is like.


Eric Cantor has always been extremely pro-corporate rights. I suppose it's possible that he got enough money from Google and Facebook to buy him off, but I would have thought the pro-SOPA interests would have gotten to him first.


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 01-16-2012 09:19 PM

Another reason I find it surprising that Cantor was the one the pulled this one is that people now have been using the internet to organize things like Occupy movements. I would think Cantor would see SOPA as a way to put a stop to that. (He also has a thing against the 99%.)


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 01-16-2012 09:49 PM

Pikajedi3 Wrote:
The bill is dead; It was killed earlier today by Cantor (R-VA) declaring he will halt all action related to it.

But before we all go sucking each other's dicks, there's still PIPA.


"Rawg!" means *** YEAH!


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 01-16-2012 09:51 PM

d_olson27 Wrote:
Another reason I find it surprising that Cantor was the one the pulled this one is that people now have been using the internet to organize things like Occupy movements. I would think Cantor would see SOPA as a way to put a stop to that. (He also has a thing against the 99%.)


-.- pfffffttttttt


RE: Stop Censorship - d_olson27 - 01-16-2012 10:18 PM

Kapkao Wrote:

d_olson27 Wrote:
Another reason I find it surprising that Cantor was the one the pulled this one is that people now have been using the internet to organize things like Occupy movements. I would think Cantor would see SOPA as a way to put a stop to that. (He also has a thing against the 99%.)


-.- pfffffttttttt


Not looking to debate about it. I'm just calling it as I see it.


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-17-2012 12:17 AM

Pikajedi3 Wrote:
The bill is dead; It was killed earlier today by Cantor (R-VA) declaring he will halt all action related to it.

But before we all go sucking each other's dicks, there's still PIPA.


Obama also said he would not allow censorship


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 01-17-2012 12:19 AM

d_olson27 Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:

d_olson27 Wrote:
Another reason I find it surprising that Cantor was the one the pulled this one is that people now have been using the internet to organize things like Occupy movements. I would think Cantor would see SOPA as a way to put a stop to that. (He also has a thing against the 99%.)


-.- pfffffttttttt


Not looking to debate about it. I'm just calling it as I see it.


Not a "pfffffttttttt" at you, just a "pfffffttttttt" in general at politics.

Wink


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 01-17-2012 12:46 AM

Censorship is like the younger generation of China not knowing about Tinnamen Square Protests


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 01-17-2012 12:52 AM

Genesis Wrote:
Censorship is like the younger generation of China not knowing about Tinnamen Square Protests


Precisely!


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 01-17-2012 12:54 AM

Kapkao Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:
Censorship is like the younger generation of China not knowing about Tinnamen Square Protests


Precisely!


I'm glad you agree


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 01-17-2012 01:00 AM

Genesis Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:

Genesis Wrote:
Censorship is like the younger generation of China not knowing about Tinnamen Square Protests


Precisely!


I'm glad you agree


[Scar=Kapkao]I hardly think you deserve the level of agreement I've given you[/Scar]


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-17-2012 01:47 AM

Over the weekend, President Obama publicly declared his administration’s opposition to the controversial internet censorship bill being introduced in Congress known as the Stop Online Piracy Act, better known as SOPA. (The opposition includes both versions of the bill, the House of Representatives’ SOPA and the Senate’s Protect IP Act aka PIPA, which is still, technically, alive.) And now, after a continuous loss of support and facing severe and vocal opposition from the public, the House has shelved the bill, and it is what insiders like to call “Dead On Arrival.” But what about PIPA? Well, it’s what I like to call a “Dead Bill Walking.”
If we’re being completely accurate, the bill has not been done away with completely. The correct term is “shelved indefinitely.” And that means that the bill’s sponsors who refuse to see this thing die will revisit it at another time, make some changes to it (that we will still not accept, most likely), and bring it up at a later date. Said House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA):

“While I remain concerned about Senate action on the Protect IP Act, I am confident that flawed legislation will not be taken up by this House. Majority Leader [Eric] Cantor has assured me that we will continue to work to address outstanding concerns and work to build consensus prior to any anti-piracy legislation coming before the House for a vote.”
And we all know how much House Republicans like to “build consensus” with their Democratic colleagues in the House of Representatives.

Anyway, politics aside, there were vocal opponents of both bills from every part of the political spectrum — Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives, moderates, everyone. No one wanted this bill to happen, except for its sponsors. And a few corporations who may or may not have realized how far, exactly, this thing was meant to reach. (Like putting people in prison for posting copyrighted material, for example, or wiping out entire web sites that featured what someone might consider copyrighted material.)

But a major nail in the coffin came this weekend, when President Obama’s technology advisors expressed their severe concerns about the reach of the bill and the chilling effect it would have on free expression on the internet. Obama then promised to veto the bill in any form if it made it to his desk. One of SOPA’s main sponsors, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), removed the provision that would have required ISPs to block any offending web sites, but the damage was done after the Administration’s statement.

And while PIPA lives in the Senate — for the moment — even if it was to pass (which is already unlikely), it would not survive the President’s veto.

So, we can rest easy for the moment. We have a President who does not want to see this happen, who believes in the First Amendment and freedom of expression, and not stifling creativity on the internet. And that’s a good


http://www.themarysue.com/sopa-doa/


RE: Stop Censorship - tintinophile691 - 01-17-2012 11:57 AM

Done!

My blog now has a censored header.  How's everyone else faring?


RE: Stop Censorship - Kapkao - 01-17-2012 03:49 PM

tintinophile691 Wrote:
Done!

My blog now has a censored header.  How's everyone else faring?


I still like to pester females as if they were family Wink

(I'm a diehard tribalist)


BLACK OUT PLANNED ON PIRACY? - windy - 01-17-2012 10:15 PM

anyone heard of WEdnesday as internet black out day?


RE: Stop Censorship - Genesis - 01-17-2012 10:16 PM

Is that going to happen? An Internet Black out?


RE: Stop Censorship - windy - 01-17-2012 10:17 PM

excerpt...

NEW YORK (MainStreet) – Wikipedia announced this week that it will go black on Wednesday in protest of two proposed pieces of anti-piracy legislation that critics say would cripple the Internet as we know it. The two bills, the Stop Online Piracy Act and the Protect Intellectual Property Act, would effectively allow copyright holders to shut down websites that host or link to copyright-infringing content. Accordingly, they have come under heavy criticism from tech companies who fear that the law would place an undue burden on them by forcing them to police all user-generated content that appears on their sites.




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The torrent of criticism has already dimmed prospects for the bills, with the Obama administration warning that “Any effort to combat online piracy must guard against the risk of online censorship of lawful activity and must not inhibit innovation by our dynamic businesses large and small.” And the bills’ sponsors have already agreed to remove the controversial DNS-blocking provision, which would force Internet service providers to cut the


RE: Stop Censorship - skyblue1 - 01-21-2012 01:53 AM

Sopa and Pipa bills postponed in US Congress

The US Congress has halted debate on two contested anti-online piracy bills.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid delayed a vote on the Protect IP Act (Pipa) scheduled for Tuesday.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith then said his panel would not consider the Stop Online Piracy Act (Sopa) until a compromise was reached.

The decisions follow protests by online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, and thousands of other websites, which went "dark" in protest for 24 hours earlier this week.

"In light of recent events, I have decided to postpone Tuesday's vote on the PROTECT IP Act," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, said in a statement on Friday.

Mr Smith, a Texas Republican in the House of Representatives, said in a statement: "I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy.

"It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products."

'Censoring the web'

Of about 40 co-sponsors for the Pipa bill, a handful withdrew their support on Wednesday, as thousands of websites participated in a co-ordinated online protest.

Continue reading the main story
Sopa and Pipa explained
The US bills are designed to block access to sites containing unauthorised copyright material.

Content owners and the US government would be given the power to request court orders to shut down sites associated with piracy.

Advertisers, payment processors and internet service providers would be forbidden from doing business with infringers based overseas.

Sopa also requires search engines to remove foreign infringing sites from their results, a provision absent in Pipa.

Full explanation on Sopa and Pipa
Floods of emails and phone calls to congressmen followed the online protests, prompting some lawmakers to withdraw their support for the measures.

More than seven million people signed a petition on Google saying that passage of the legislation would result in censoring the web and impose a regulatory burden on businesses.

Both bills focus on responding to online piracy, specifically illegal copies of films and other media.

The bills would also outlaw sites from containing information about how to access blocked sites.

The Motion Picture Association of America, a key supporter of the legislation, has campaigned strongly against the violation of copyright laws.

But on Thursday evening their website was targeted by a hacking group known as Anonymous.

Celebrity backing

Anonymous also claimed credit for blocking access to the US Department of Justice and FBI websites, by launching a so-called "denial-of-service" attach that bombards their websites with traffic.

The move was being seen as a retaliation after the Department of Justice shut down a major file-sharing website, Megaupload.

The firm's co-founders have been charged with violating existing anti-piracy laws.

Four Megaupload employees were arrested in Auckland, New Zealand, at the request of US authorities.

Police seized cash, valuable cars and a short-barrelled shotgun from the residence of the website's German founder, Kim Dotcom, formerly known as Kim Schmitz.

Their Hong Kong-based site had around 150 million users and 50 million daily hits.

It has received celebrity endorsements from artists such as Alicia Keys and Kanye West, making it one of the internet's most high profile file-sharing platforms.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16655272