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Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - tambourine-man - 08-29-2011 06:49 AM

Before I was diagnosed I saw "Adam" and never would have linked Asperger's to myself. Later, I realized that I was very Aspergian, in my own way.
However, I still think the interpretation is "Adam" is tragically NT and condescending. He is presented as a shy, odd, yet lovable clown. He is so vulnerable and endearing. I feel the portrayal of this sweet, disabled little fellow is very limited. Oh, look at the poor, defenseless, adorable little autistic!
The portrayal of autistics in movies like these is, ironically enough, very literal. These characters are such stereotypes.
Are other Aspies really like this? So... textbook?


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - BardWolf - 08-29-2011 04:52 PM

I did a review on it back last year
http://prismsong.blogspot.com/2010/01/thoughts-on-adam.html

My big issues with it was the fact it completely disregarded the fact that autistic people do have real tangible feelings and we do feel love. It really infantalized autists in that movie.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - tambourine-man - 08-29-2011 05:04 PM

Read it and agree. I cried when I first saw it... But then I just kept getting angrier about it. As much as I relate to Adam, stereotypical as he may be, the ultimate message, while poetic and bittersweet, is terribly disheartening for autistics. That film makes me feel as if NTs want me to believe I will ultimately be trapped in my own little world forever.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Genesis - 08-29-2011 05:09 PM

They seem to have the same perspective of themselves as well...


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - tambourine-man - 08-29-2011 05:30 PM

Genesis Wrote:
They seem to have the same perspective of themselves as well...


Ha ha. Love it!


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - BardWolf - 08-29-2011 05:36 PM

Mozart and the Whale is more of pos"aut"tive film. I recommend that than Adam.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - tambourine-man - 08-29-2011 06:10 PM

Really? I watched the trailer of Mozart and the whale and thought it looked a little silly but wanted to like it. I will have to check it out now.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - skyblue1 - 08-29-2011 06:16 PM

BardWolf Wrote:
I did a review on it back last year
http://prismsong.blogspot.com/2010/01/thoughts-on-adam.html

My big issues with it was the fact it completely disregarded the fact that autistic people do have real tangible feelings and we do feel love. It really infantalized autists in that movie.


But yet, there are Autists that have that type of personality.Smile


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - BardWolf - 08-29-2011 06:40 PM

skyblue1  Wrote:

BardWolf Wrote:
I did a review on it back last year
http://prismsong.blogspot.com/2010/01/thoughts-on-adam.html

My big issues with it was the fact it completely disregarded the fact that autistic people do have real tangible feelings and we do feel love. It really infantalized autists in that movie.


But yet, there are Autists that have that type of personality.Smile


I don't quite understand? Like Adam? Well yes, but not portrayed like that in the movie


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - tambourine-man - 08-29-2011 09:02 PM

BardWolf Wrote:
Mozart and the Whale is more of pos"aut"tive film. I recommend that than Adam.


I'm watching it now...


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - tambourine-man - 08-30-2011 02:54 AM

Loved it! As an obsessive cinema buff, the film left a lot to be desired. However, had I seen this earlier in life I would have immediately recognized that I have AS and understood it so much better. I found the characters to be far more relatable. Honestly, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry as I recognized so much of my behavior. It also made me feel less alone, and more alone... I just can't believe how abnormal I am. That movie was inspiring, and hard.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Genesis - 08-30-2011 03:02 AM

tambourine-man Wrote:
Loved it! As an obsessive cinema buff, the film left a lot to be desired. However, had I seen this earlier in life I would have immediately recognized that I have AS and understood it so much better. I found the characters to be far more relatable. Honestly, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry as I recognized so much of my behavior. It also made me feel less alone, and more alone... I just can't believe how abnormal I am. That movie was inspiring, and hard.


The guy that wrote it was the guy who wrote Rain Man...


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - AspieGrrl - 08-30-2011 05:25 AM

I know, when I found out, it made me laugh.  I like Mozart and the Whale.  Rain Man has too much cursing, also, he is not a good driver.  Adam was too depressing, also, he is not a raccoon.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - JDBentz - 09-05-2011 12:25 PM

On the one hand, it hit all the points of what's possible for an Aspie to seem like; scenes like the ones with the cops and such were, for the most part, accurate.
But quite frankly, I didn't finish it. I got tired of seeing the straight-up stereotypes; but I was happy to see that the whole thing between Adam and his nieghbor/girlfriend wasn't all sweet and nice. If there's one thing that would've made it worse, it would be if she, being an NT, had been all understanding and biting down on her anger when they had the argument.
Anyways, there was some good, but it had to keep to the stereotype since they don't want people actually thinking we can 'act normal'.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - violet_yoshi - 11-02-2011 08:50 AM

I didn't see Adam, because what I gathered from the preview, is that it was just a story based on common stereotypes of Aspies. Who would have a family memeber say, "Oh but he lives in his own world", like someone on the Autism spectrum is mysterious. That saying always came across to me as childish, i'd expect it from a 2 year old, but whenyou're an adult, you should be old enough to know that playing "mystery theater" when you don't understand something is immature. What about asking questions like a big boy or girl?


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - 142857 - 11-02-2011 09:30 AM

I'm interested in seeing Adam now. Also Mozart and the Whale. I haven't seen either yet.

I saw an extended trailer for Adam and I was struck by how much he reminded me of my son - who was 4 years old at the time. So I get that the movie infantilizes autism.

I've seen Rain Man. I've also seen "The Hangover" 1 and 2, where one of the characters is clearly supposed to be autistic.

By far the worst movie about an autistic person is "Bad Boy Bubby" - I saw that years ago but realized much later that Bubby was autistic (I read a little about the film after that and found out that the lead actor got into character by hanging out with autistic adults). He kills his cat with cling wrap... then his parents... then his girlfriend's parents...

The best movie I've seen about an adult with autism was "Malcolm", a 1986 Australian film. I doubt, though, if the people who made the film were actually aware of autism.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - OtaBenga - 11-02-2011 10:34 AM

142857 Wrote:

By far the worst movie about an autistic person is "Bad Boy Bubby" - I saw that years ago but realized much later that Bubby was autistic (I read a little about the film after that and found out that the lead actor got into character by hanging out with autistic adults). He kills his cat with cling wrap... then his parents... then his girlfriend's parents...


I love that movie. Autism never even crossed my mind. I thought his issues were caused by the fact that he was never allowed to leave the apartment and his mother's constant abuse. I'll have to rewatch it.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - 142857 - 11-02-2011 01:16 PM

OtaBenga Wrote:

142857 Wrote:

By far the worst movie about an autistic person is "Bad Boy Bubby" - I saw that years ago but realized much later that Bubby was autistic (I read a little about the film after that and found out that the lead actor got into character by hanging out with autistic adults). He kills his cat with cling wrap... then his parents... then his girlfriend's parents...


I love that movie. Autism never even crossed my mind. I thought his issues were caused by the fact that he was never allowed to leave the apartment and his mother's constant abuse. I'll have to rewatch it.


Bubby does a LOT of echolalia, I suspect that is a trait that the lead actor picked up on from hanging out with autistic adults. But obviously the abuse didn't help.

Funny thing about Bad Boy Bubby was that I first hired it out from a video shop in Adelaide about 14 years ago, maybe a bit longer. The girl at the video shop said "I love that movie, you know they made it just up the road". We were right near Port Adelaide... I didn't realize until I watched it that the movie was literally made 200 or 300 metres away. And yes, that part of Adelaide is really like that.

I do love the movie as well - by "worst movie about autism" I meant the most negative portrayal of autism. Around that time a girl at work sent around an email saying that something was near "Bad Boy 142857's desk". I asked her why she called me that... she said that she originally wrote "Bad Boy Bubby's desk" but realized that some people might not know what she was talking about. If she hadn't been such a nice girl I might have taken that the wrong way. :/


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Yuji - 11-02-2011 07:04 PM

Being an ignorant Yank, I've never heard of "Bad Boy Bubby" before, but it sounds like it has potential to be my favorite movie of all time because I'm an atheist with elaborate familial revenge fantasies.

Does anyone else think Brennan and Dale from "Step Brothers" (Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly's characters) are developmentally disabled? I do (there really can't be any other explanation for their unusual and undesirable behaviors and proclivities), and I despise that movie because everything is played for laughs.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Abbi - 11-03-2011 11:53 AM

I haven't seen any of these movies, but Rain Man is always mentioned whenever the word "autistic" is said in here in the uk, which is really annoying because everyone seems to think that is what hfa's are all like.

i want a movie where there is proper portrayal of aspergers. Sod it, even have more than one aspie character in the film so people actually get the idea that we aren't all the same. Sorry for the tangent but my biggest pet hate is the stereotype being flashed around constantly on telly in soaps and movies. Yeah some might fit a bit of the stereotype, but not everyone.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - violet_yoshi - 11-03-2011 12:15 PM

I'd like a movie about Aspie women, that isn't based on some NT idealized romantic story. Yes, I know Mozart & the Whale is true, but it's rather stereotypical in the way Aspie women are. Like, "Oh they're female, well they MUST want to fall in love, and be in a relationship!" i'dmlike to see a spy movie with an Aspie female spy, or a movie where an Aspie female is kicking butt.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Abbi - 11-03-2011 12:34 PM

violet_yoshi Wrote:
I'd like a movie about Aspie women, that isn't based on some NT idealized romantic story. Yes, I know Mozart & the Whale is true, but it's rather stereotypical in the way Aspie women are. Like, "Oh they're female, well they MUST want to fall in love, and be in a relationship!" i'dmlike to see a spy movie with an Aspie female spy, or a movie where an Aspie female is kicking butt.


Yes!! That's I want I want to see! Smile I would also like to see some comedy, but obviously not the type that trashes aspergers - a witty comedy, perhaps with cast of aspie/hfa characters rather than just one character, that shows positivity towards aspergers/autism but at the same time being realistic about the obstacles we face eg getting jobs, a love life, being understood ect.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Shnoing - 11-03-2011 11:15 PM

Adam: I found ok, apart from the ending.
Mozart and the Whale: the book's much more interesting (and depressing: rape etc.)

I'd recommend:
The black balloon (from Australia, the director has 2 brothers on the spectrum)
Snow Cake (with Alan Rickman !!!)
(both about auties; I'm a bit biased there)


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - - 11-04-2011 04:39 AM

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RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - violet_yoshi - 11-04-2011 11:08 AM

Abbi Wrote:

violet_yoshi Wrote:
I'd like a movie about Aspie women, that isn't based on some NT idealized romantic story. Yes, I know Mozart & the Whale is true, but it's rather stereotypical in the way Aspie women are. Like, "Oh they're female, well they MUST want to fall in love, and be in a relationship!" i'dmlike to see a spy movie with an Aspie female spy, or a movie where an Aspie female is kicking butt.


Yes!! That's I want I want to see! Smile I would also like to see some comedy, but obviously not the type that trashes aspergers - a witty comedy, perhaps with cast of aspie/hfa characters rather than just one character, that shows positivity towards aspergers/autism but at the same time being realistic about the obstacles we face eg getting jobs, a love life, being understood ect.


I've heard good things about Big Bang Theory.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Abbi - 11-04-2011 01:26 PM

I've seen a little of big bang theory, not much, probably around a few minutes but I have noticed the characters are quite "aspie"! I'll watch it sometime as I've heard good things and I thought the few mins that I watched it were amusing.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Ana54 - 01-30-2012 06:43 PM

Jack and I saw Mozart and the Whale and while it's more positive than a LOT of other stuff, Jack and I both agreed it was full of stereotypes.


Now I want to watch Adam just so I can get angry.


Another good one (or is it all good about AS? I dunno) is Mary and Max. It's such cute and sweet satire. I cried at the end.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - antarcticMetal - 01-30-2012 07:09 PM

I started to watch Big Bang Theory because of all I had heard about it but, when they went to commercial, I started to channel surf to see what else was on.  I found a PBS documentary about wolves and forgot to go back to the comedy. I really like wolves. : )


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Suedehead - 01-30-2012 07:41 PM

I haven't bothered even trying to watch Adam because I know everything about it will just piss me off. I haven't met a single Aspergian who behaves as the general media portrays us. I've met people who are closer to the textbook definition than others, but they still have a personality and movies like Adam make us out to be characterless and wooden, which is completely untrue.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Magneto - 01-30-2012 10:43 PM

Bearing in mind it's impossible to generalise Autists... at the special school I used to go to, there were 5 Autists in the class including me, and we're all rather different. So, if you watch a film, remember that the Aspie character may be based on a real person, while you think that they're based on a stereotyped version.

For example, would you expect Aspies to follow people round like puppies and do whatever they say, almost like Lenny and George? Yet that's just what one guy in the class is/was like.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - d_olson27 - 03-11-2012 08:41 AM

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RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - BruceCM - 03-11-2012 02:08 PM

Anybody who can manage to simply believe what some film tells them about Autism/ Asperger's or anything else isn't going to bother me! If you find it interesting enough, don't you do some research of your own? It's kind of funny, people can get worked up about a film like this but I get done for caring too much about things people I know quite well say directly to me, personally. Getting all cynical, bitter & twisted having to see it going on & on & on & on & on, frankly.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - d_olson27 - 03-11-2012 08:25 PM

Believe it or not, Bruce, most people consider entertainment to be a reflection of real life. If people see something in a movie or on TV, they tend to assume that's how it is or that's how it should be. That's why experts tend to analyze movies and TV shows so closely.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - BruceCM - 03-11-2012 08:54 PM

Oh, I believe you! I did some market research recently & one of the questions, after an advert, was 'do you think the person speaking was...' one option being 'an objective, independent expert'. If they had it as an option, they must have expected some to go for it. While I'm, like, 'no, it's an advert!' Ah,well.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Crazychavo - 04-22-2012 11:26 PM

Its not the worst movie I've seen that deals with Autism/Aspergers.  There are a few things that irritate me.  Everything about him ends up being a reflection of Aspergers, this is the problem with the Aspergers/Autism movies that have been coming out somewhat frequently in the last ten years, the director reads some psychology textbook which gives him a pretty warped idea of what Autistic really looks like and then attempts to cram every characteristic into the character.  For instance Adam is paranoid to ever leave his neighborhood and only eats macaroni and cheese, I've moved dozens of times, love to travel and am a cook and a lover of trying different restaurants and different cultural cuisines.  It just seems like people have a stereotype of Aspergers as a bunch of wimps.  Why won't he help that woman carry her stuff up the stairs, I totally would, I would probably be awkward about saying much to her but I have decent manners.  Couldn't help but be kinda mad at how she can be pretty condescending, although I guess they wanted to to portray her realistically.  What the hell is with her basically breaking up with her family to marry him and then breaking up with him?  There are just a lot of scenes where Adam is like incapable of showing some basic empathy and I know its probably because the director or whoever made the basic plot/script for the movie read some textbook that said people with Autism don't have empathy, its so not true.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - mels8780 - 04-23-2012 09:05 AM

tambourine-man Wrote:
Before I was diagnosed I saw "Adam" and never would have linked Asperger's to myself. Later, I realized that I was very Aspergian, in my own way.
However, I still think the interpretation is "Adam" is tragically NT and condescending. He is presented as a shy, odd, yet lovable clown. He is so vulnerable and endearing. I feel the portrayal of this sweet, disabled little fellow is very limited. Oh, look at the poor, defenseless, adorable little autistic!
The portrayal of autistics in movies like these is, ironically enough, very literal. These characters are such stereotypes.
Are other Aspies really like this? So... textbook?


I watched it, and I didn't see him that way. I think any time he appeared vulnerable was because of difficulties he had, which were pretty legit IMO. No matter how they portray the person, someone may complain about it being a stereotypical image of some sort. Is there "a" (one) way to get it right? No. Some autistics *do* develop the personality Adam has, some don't. At this point people would have to purposely avoid the things people complain about to write an autistic character, and *then* it would be made to fit some image (whatever they're left with after subtracting all of people's complaints) If that's condescending then many real-life autistics are condescending. I don't know if an NT wrote it, but if they did, that's automatically used against them too, even if they may have based the character off of someone they knew. The only way to perhaps get out of this is to be autistic yourself. How about we just stop even portraying autistics? CX

This thing also happens with other types of people in society, where no matter how they are portrayed (you can only display one personality if you're using one character, so they can't please everyone in a movie), someone complains.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - mels8780 - 04-23-2012 09:07 AM

Crazychavo Wrote:
Its not the worst movie I've seen that deals with Autism/Aspergers.  There are a few things that irritate me.  Everything about him ends up being a reflection of Aspergers, this is the problem with the Aspergers/Autism movies that have been coming out somewhat frequently in the last ten years, the director reads some psychology textbook which gives him a pretty warped idea of what Autistic really looks like and then attempts to cram every characteristic into the character.  For instance Adam is paranoid to ever leave his neighborhood and only eats macaroni and cheese, I've moved dozens of times, love to travel and am a cook and a lover of trying different restaurants and different cultural cuisines.  It just seems like people have a stereotype of Aspergers as a bunch of wimps.  Why won't he help that woman carry her stuff up the stairs, I totally would, I would probably be awkward about saying much to her but I have decent manners.  Couldn't help but be kinda mad at how she can be pretty condescending, although I guess they wanted to to portray her realistically.  What the hell is with her basically breaking up with her family to marry him and then breaking up with him?  There are just a lot of scenes where Adam is like incapable of showing some basic empathy and I know its probably because the director or whoever made the basic plot/script for the movie read some textbook that said people with Autism don't have empathy, its so not true.


Maybe he didn't help because he was shy? Personally I don't think they fit every symptom in this time. If you think that about Adam, don't watch Mozart & the whale CX.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Some_Bloke - 04-23-2012 09:11 AM

I've never seen it, but if it's going to offend me then I'm not going to bother watching it. I make the same mistake with some episodes of south park but the fact that this film was not meant to be offensive is another matter. On another note nothing apart from an America where Sarah Palin is President can be as offensive as south park.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - mels8780 - 04-23-2012 09:14 AM

Some_Bloke Wrote:
I've never seen it, but if it's going to offend me then I'm not going to bother watching it. I make the same mistake with some episodes of south park but the fact that this film was not meant to be offensive is another matter. On another note nothing apart from an America where Sarah Palin is President can be as offensive as south park.


What would not offend you, tbh? Maybe, after reading some complaints, a pressured person on the safe side, would only make their character with 2-3 traits. (That's what I'd do if I felt pressured to have a complaint/I'm-offended free movie). But then, people may complain about *that*. Say that it wasn't too accurate in telling a "real" story of AS.

Personally I liked the Parenthood series when they came out with it <3


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Some_Bloke - 04-23-2012 09:22 AM

mels8780 Wrote:

Some_Bloke Wrote:
I've never seen it, but if it's going to offend me then I'm not going to bother watching it. I make the same mistake with some episodes of south park but the fact that this film was not meant to be offensive is another matter. On another note nothing apart from an America where Sarah Palin is President can be as offensive as south park.


What would not offend you, tbh? Maybe, after reading some complaints, a pressured person on the safe side, would only make their character with 2-3 traits. (That's what I'd do if I felt pressured to have a complaint/I'm-offended free movie). But then, people may complain about *that*. Say that it wasn't too accurate in telling a "real" story of AS.

Personally I liked the Parenthood series when they came out with it <3


Well I looked it up on wikepida, don't really like the idea of the plot that and I don't like films about autism to start with, while they may have in changed attitudes several have put me off. I get offended easily, I won't admit that but in my opinion I find it funny the way family guy has been canceled before and yet south park has never been canceled once, despite the fact that millions of complaints come through for every episode.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - EDoyle - 04-25-2012 02:28 AM

Agh! I hated Adam- for much of the same reasons people have listed here. I was dating an NT girl for a short time, and she hinted at watching it together- we never did, but I watched it later and it was *terrible*. Such infantilizing, precious rubbish. Like we exist to teach NT yuppies important lessons about life and themselves and then be put away in a closet somewhere because obviously all we want NT people around for is to 'mother' us- never mind how sexually aware and sexually active we are or what romantic expressions we've made or feelings we have. Sorry, but my ideal romance doesn't end with my ex writing a children's book about me.

Plus, his acting was like he just read a list of Aspie characteristic, did all of them, and developed no personality beyond that. He wasn't playing an Aspie- he was playing Aspergers personified, and that's dehumanizing. Why not cast an actual Aspie in the part? Lizzy Clark has that wonderful 'pay me, don't play me' campaign in the UK.

Anyway, Mozart and the Whale was better. I mean, it still had its problems- the stereotypical background characters, the fragile Manic Pixie Dream Girl* who needed to be saved by the power of love, and the troubling implication that Aspies can only find love with other Aspies- but it was better than Adam. A happy ending with your quirky extended family of autists is better than being put in what Abed (from Community) calls the “metaphorical locker... where people like me get put when everyone is fed up with us".

* Who am I kidding? I love MPDGs. Of course I do- I'm a brooding, cynical, often-depressed middle class white liberal arts type. I'm contractually obliged to love them. I don't enjoy it any more than you do.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Crazychavo - 04-26-2012 09:30 AM

EDoyle Wrote:
Agh! I hated Adam- for much of the same reasons people have listed here. I was dating an NT girl for a short time, and she hinted at watching it together- we never did, but I watched it later and it was *terrible*. Such infantilizing, precious rubbish. Like we exist to teach NT yuppies important lessons about life and themselves and then be put away in a closet somewhere because obviously all we want NT people around for is to 'mother' us- never mind how sexually aware and sexually active we are or what romantic expressions we've made or feelings we have. Sorry, but my ideal romance doesn't end with my ex writing a children's book about me.

Plus, his acting was like he just read a list of Aspie characteristic, did all of them, and developed no personality beyond that. He wasn't playing an Aspie- he was playing Aspergers personified, and that's dehumanizing. Why not cast an actual Aspie in the part? Lizzy Clark has that wonderful 'pay me, don't play me' campaign in the UK.

Anyway, Mozart and the Whale was better. I mean, it still had its problems- the stereotypical background characters, the fragile Manic Pixie Dream Girl* who needed to be saved by the power of love, and the troubling implication that Aspies can only find love with other Aspies- but it was better than Adam. A happy ending with your quirky extended family of autists is better than being put in what Abed (from Community) calls the “metaphorical locker... where people like me get put when everyone is fed up with us".

* Who am I kidding? I love MPDGs. Of course I do- I'm a brooding, cynical, often-depressed middle class white liberal arts type. I'm contractually obliged to love them. I don't enjoy it any more than you do.


Yeah I see your point.  If I had to choose between the two films, and that really means scraping the bottom of the barrel here then I suppose I do like Mozart and the Whale better because screw the ending for Adam what a downer.  Though an ex girlfriend deciding lets just be friends and turning me into an anamorphic creature in kids book and getting rich off of it sounds like the kind of thing that might happen to me.  The two characters in Mozart and the Whale at least have passion and emotion as clichely as they were handled.  I guess I am tired of the image of us as passionless, boring, utterly incapable of creating energy or excitement because its not true, their eagerness to like fall head over heels in love perhaps too soon actually seemed realistic to myself and some other Aspies I have met.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - EDoyle - 04-27-2012 08:18 AM

I would we need more films directed by people on the spectrum, but at this point in time that would mean a sub-subculture of amateur films made for our own subculture of autistic people, and frankly, amateur films are usually terrible. But, it could be good. Not just romance films, either. Actually, I should make a thread for that if there isn't one- film, story, and play ideas featuring autistic characters, with themes ranging from 'explicitly autism-centric' to 'mainstream plot, but with an autistic character'.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - KenM - 04-27-2012 10:36 AM

I saw Adam and I thought the actor did a great job playing someone with AS. But I can't recommend the movie because in the end, the girl does not end up with him and it sends the message that says "if you know someone with AS, don't bother having a relationship with them because they are too strange"

People with AS have enough trouble with relationships without having a mainstream movie tell people not to bother. Weather or not that message was the intent, thats the message that was sent.

Mozart and the Whale was based on a real life couple, the man with AS wrote the book its based on.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Genesis - 04-27-2012 04:06 PM

I liked Mozart and the Whale because it had some parts that I agree with, on how I viewed life in general.... Its probably a reason why its in my DVD collection.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - windy - 04-27-2012 05:22 PM

KenM Wrote:
I saw Adam and I thought the actor did a great job playing someone with AS. But I can't recommend the movie because in the end, the girl does not end up with him and it sends the message that says "if you know someone with AS, don't bother having a relationship with them because they are too strange"

People with AS have enough trouble with relationships without having a mainstream movie tell people not to bother. Weather or not that message was the intent, thats the message that was sent.

Mozart and the Whale was based on a real life couple, the man with AS wrote the book its based on.

spolier alert - I disagree that the ending (of Adam) was not good- I thought the ending was the best part... I did not actually like the movie very much - I agree an actual aspie actor would have done better. But as far as ethe ending ... he went to a place better suited to him.. he likes open spaces-- he ends up in where-- california or somewhere NON-CITY, gorgeaous sky, it is beautiful and a pretty girl seeks him out and sits next to him, seems quite naturally interested in him, as he is, He is comfortable with himself (now)- he does not need a woman to complete him...(save him - he is better than surviving isn't he at the end?) he is now in a less sensory stressful environment with a career that is satisfying... he is happy so he is attracting - or will attract - a female that is better / more ideal for him.  Everyone's first girlfriends/loves may not be the one? THAT is a more realistic ending.
That said I will rewatch both movies.. see if I still see the same thing.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Yuji - 04-27-2012 08:29 PM

windy Wrote:
spolier alert - I disagree that the ending (of Adam) was not good- I thought the ending was the best part... I did not actually like the movie very much - I agree an actual aspie actor would have done better. But as far as ethe ending ... he went to a place better suited to him.. he likes open spaces-- he ends up in where-- california or somewhere NON-CITY, gorgeaous sky, it is beautiful and a pretty girl seeks him out and sits next to him, seems quite naturally interested in him, as he is, He is comfortable with himself (now)- he does not need a woman to complete him...(save him - he is better than surviving isn't he at the end?) he is now in a less sensory stressful environment with a career that is satisfying... he is happy so he is attracting - or will attract - a female that is better / more ideal for him.  Everyone's first girlfriends/loves may not be the one? THAT is a more realistic ending.
That said I will rewatch both movies.. see if I still see the same thing.

I agree with you about how the ending was happy and the best part of the movie. Even though Adam didn't "get the girl", he ended up in a place where he truly belonged, which on the whole is more important. Relationships can be fickle and fleeting; a supportive environment is what truly matters in life.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Shnoing - 04-27-2012 10:06 PM

I bought both Mozart... and Adam DVDs and I didn't regret it. Although both have their deficits. Mozart... totally ignores the RL events later on (they get divorced, so only HE gets to comment the movie); Adam hs its pros and cons but on the whole I think it's still ok. And who needs a "happy ending" - it shows how Aspies get happy with their Special Interests, I think that's ok.
Again: Snow Cake ... brilliant.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - KenM - 04-27-2012 10:53 PM

Whats kind of funny is Hugh Dancy, the actor that played Adam is married to Claire Daines. The actress that won an emmy for playing Temple Grandin in the HBO movie.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Shnoing - 04-28-2012 10:28 PM

KenM Wrote:
I saw Adam and I thought the actor did a great job playing someone with AS. But I can't recommend the movie because in the end, the girl does not end up with him and it sends the message that says "if you know someone with AS, don't bother having a relationship with them because they are too strange"

People with AS have enough trouble with relationships without having a mainstream movie tell people not to bother. Whether or not that message was the intent, thats the message that was sent.
...

Wasn't there an alternative ending on the DVD?
Furthermore: why should the problems maintaining an AS-NT-relationship be glossed over - I found Adam's new job very satisfying and far more interesting than a relationship (although in RL I am in a relationship, and, sadly, no astronomer)


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - EDoyle - 04-28-2012 11:21 PM

Yuji Wrote:
I agree with you about how the ending was happy and the best part of the movie. Even though Adam didn't "get the girl", he ended up in a place where he truly belonged, which on the whole is more important. Relationships can be fickle and fleeting; a supportive environment is what truly matters in life.


Meh; I'm sick of ending up where I belong and being told to value friends and supportive environments over the possibility of romantic relationships. Those are important, but, I mean, it'd be nice to actually 'get the girl'. Sometime. Once in a while.

I drink my coffee like I live my life- bitter and compulsively.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - League Girl - 04-29-2012 08:31 AM

I liked the movie Adam. My husband found the movie to be freaky because he said it told the story of our relationship in opposite reverse. My name is Beth but I am the one with the condition and in the movie it was Adam who had it, not her and she reads Pretending to be Normal. My husband read that book too when I wanted him to understand AS more. I also love mac and cheese and the movie made it out to be an aspie thing but I think it was a coincidence. But my husband did agree with me Adam was more effected by the condition than me. Plus I thought it was exaggerated too stereotypical and my husband agreed there too.

But yet at the end, he was all of a sudden normal and can aspies really improve in a year they all of a sudden appear NT than aspie? Plus he offered to take the boxes from the woman and I just figured it was because he liked her but my husband told me it was because he learned that skill. In the movie when Beth said she was going to take her groceries up, I didn't pick up on he was supposed to help her. I would have done the exact same thing he did. Thinking she told me she is taking her groceries up so I would know she is leaving so I am not talking into thin air and then realize she is gone, so i can imagine that is what Adam thought as well.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Crazychavo - 04-30-2012 01:46 AM

EDoyle Wrote:

Yuji Wrote:
I agree with you about how the ending was happy and the best part of the movie. Even though Adam didn't "get the girl", he ended up in a place where he truly belonged, which on the whole is more important. Relationships can be fickle and fleeting; a supportive environment is what truly matters in life.


Meh; I'm sick of ending up where I belong and being told to value friends and supportive environments over the possibility of romantic relationships. Those are important, but, I mean, it'd be nice to actually 'get the girl'. Sometime. Once in a while.

I drink my coffee like I live my life- bitter and compulsively.


Yeah we may pretty much all be nerds but that doesn't mean we all don't have a social life or want to spend most all our time alone.  I mean I kinda see what Windy is saying like he moved on and is happy and he didn't need her but I wouldn't like to see every reference to Aspies in the media to suggest we can't have relationships or relationships with non Aspies because that is an untrue stereotype.

Has anyone seen Community, that Abed guy is supposed to be Aspergers, the show is just wierd in general so I can't take anything on it too seriously, the one part that made me cringe is where this one girls like yeah you got no empathy.  Such a false stereotype


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Yuji - 04-30-2012 09:37 PM

Abed doesn't represent everyone with Asperger's. There are lots of Aspies with too much empathy. I've been told I was one of them.

Of course, the extent of Abed's eccentricities largely depends on who wrote the particular episode.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - 142857 - 06-18-2012 06:11 PM

I saw it last night for the first time. But I missed the first hour.

I liked it. I think Beth would have followed him to California at the end if he had only been able to express how he felt about her. I think he really loved her but he just didn't show/say it in the way she wanted him to show/say it.

When he freaked out when he found out that Beth had lied to him... it was too much like a childish tantrum. I know that I take it way too hard if someone lies to me, but I don't throw stuff around and carry on like a pork chop.

Another thing is that, I guess for dramatic effect and clarity, when Adam doesn't understand something or when he doesn't know what to do next he expresses that he doesn't understand and asks what he should do. In real life I would guess that it is much more likely that the aspie guy would simply miss the cues altogether, or fail to do anything.

And the movie did remind me a lot of my first relationship. Although I was the calm but clueless one in that relationship, with a girl who was way out of my league at just about every level. My relationship was more complicated, as neither of us was "normal" (she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but refused to take medication for it, so it was a scary ride at times).


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 06:46 PM

I'm sorry and I don't want to derail this thread and this is a stupid question, but wth is the movie Adam ?


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - windy - 06-18-2012 08:50 PM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
I'm sorry and I don't want to derail this thread and this is a stupid question, but wth is the movie Adam ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHx2-n7dK7U Movie Adam.  clip


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 09:21 PM

Oh thanks Big Grin  

I didn't know it was YouTube. but I'll watch it in a bit. Thank you Windy.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 09:30 PM

Oh it's like Mozart and the whale excpet the guy has Asperger's and the girl doesn't


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Phillip J Fry - 06-18-2012 09:38 PM

I saw this clip off of a Science Channel program (Forgot what's it called) but here's the clip from youtube [url=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5hLDBA594o&feature=related[/url]

It's a documentary I think :/


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Some_Bloke - 06-19-2012 02:20 PM

windy Wrote:

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
I'm sorry and I don't want to derail this thread and this is a stupid question, but wth is the movie Adam ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHx2-n7dK7U Movie Adam.  clip


Doesn't look that bad. I mean, it can't be as bad as Rainman.

I don't like the concept. Then again I don't like romantic movies, but I like some romcoms there are very few that I do like. Love actually I guess is an example.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - League Girl - 06-19-2012 11:24 PM

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
Oh it's like Mozart and the whale excpet the guy has Asperger's and the girl doesn't


Lot of people seem to say she didn't have it but if she didn't have it, then I probably don't have it either. Even my aunt thought she was normal and she is a special ed teacher and works with autistic kids but yet never said I don't have it.

I think Isabelle was the mildest on the spectrum.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Shnoing - 06-21-2012 09:34 PM

League Girl Wrote:

marioLuvsbowser Wrote:
... Mozart ...

Lot of people seem to say she didn't have it but if she didn't have it, then I probably don't have it either. Even my aunt thought she was normal and she is a special ed teacher and works with autistic kids but yet never said I don't have it.
I think Isabelle was the mildest on the spectrum.

As played in the movie, maybe; that's because Mary Newport didn't have a say in the production. According to the book, she had grave problems which don't get mentioned in the movie.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - League Girl - 06-21-2012 09:51 PM

Jerry Newport said his wife is more effected than Isabelle in the movie. But I did see lot of references in the book and the movie.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - sg1008 - 06-21-2012 10:40 PM

142857 Wrote:
And the movie did remind me a lot of my first relationship. Although I was the calm but clueless one in that relationship, with a girl who was way out of my league at just about every level. My relationship was more complicated, as neither of us was "normal" (she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but refused to take medication for it, so it was a scary ride at times).


I've had a very similar experience to that one.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - Genesis - 06-21-2012 11:30 PM

What about that TV movie? I think it was called Autism: the musical Rolleyes


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - EDoyle - 06-24-2012 12:23 PM

I want to see a movie that's just about four young adults on the spectrum who all know each other somehow. It would have enough diversity of characters that the writers would have to actually write different characters instead of copy-pasting a list of symptoms into a cookie-cutter Aspie, and it could provide an avenue for the characters to actually show a wider range of perspectives on issues facing the community than any other work has been able to show so far.


RE: Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying? - d_olson27 - 06-24-2012 06:19 PM

EDoyle Wrote:
I want to see a movie that's just about four young adults on the spectrum who all know each other somehow. It would have enough diversity of characters that the writers would have to actually write different characters instead of copy-pasting a list of symptoms into a cookie-cutter Aspie, and it could provide an avenue for the characters to actually show a wider range of perspectives on issues facing the community than any other work has been able to show so far.


I like it. If there are any good writers and filmmakers here (I'm sure there are), there's an idea.