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How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 04-02-2011 11:27 PM If we were to incorporate a charity or nonprofit of some sort in order to fund a small holiday resort or intentional community for autistics, how much would you pledge on a monthly basis? Myself and Amy have been looking into precisely this. In order to know how realistic it is we need to know how much people would be willing to pledge. We are also investigating things such as housing benefit for permanent residents, though that would only be possible after sufficient funds are raised to purchase a property. Essentially, it would work like this: Fundraising period during which people pledge X amount of money per month and this is placed into a suitable high-growth investment fund of some sort or a generic savings account. Once sufficient funds have been raised, purchase of the property and any work needed to get up to decent standards. Finally, ongoing maintenance expenses paid through voluntary pledges and/or rent payments from residents. Note that this is more likely to be a nonprofit or social enterprise than a registered charity due to regulatory burdens upon a charity, but it will definitely have strict bylaws defining how money raised may be used. An example: 1 person pledges £200/month = £2400/year 5 people pledge £100/month = £6000/year 10 people pledge £50/month = £6000/year 50 people pledge £5/month = £3000/year That's £17400/year if we achieve the above goals if we ignore interest. After 3 years, that's £52200. This is more than enough to use as downpayment for a mortage. At this point, if people maintain their pledges there will be £1450/month available. But assuming a drop in pledges, let's take that down to just £1000/month. So, we have £52200 in the bank and £1000/month to spend from pledges. Let's round down how much is in the bank to £50000. A deposit on a mortage for a £150k property of £50000 gets a mortage from HSBC that costs roughly £998/month. (this is according to their site, with an APR of 4%, rates may be different for business but it gives a rough guide). There are properties in this price range in wales that can house about 12 people (and do so nicely too). So, if we maintain those £1000/month pledges but charge each of the 12 people £50/month rent on top that would leave £602/month for general maintenance costs of the property. And of course if rent goes up to £150/month (that's £37.50/week - cheaper than a lot of places), then £1800/month is available for general maintenance costs or for mortage payments if the voluntary pledges cease. 1 person pledges £200/month for 3 years 5 people pledge £100/month for 3 years 10 people pledge £50/month for 3 years 50 people pledge £5/month for 3 years Then 12 people pay £37.50/week (£150/month) for however long they want to live there. Once those 12 are in place, another fundraising cycle can begin to setup another property. RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 04-02-2011 11:34 PM Disclosure: I voted £50/month RE: How much would you pledge? - skyblue1 - 04-03-2011 12:45 AM would definitely need more info RE: How much would you pledge? - qwert - 04-03-2011 12:50 AM I voted that I would not do anything but I would consider paying rent if it was in an area I could live in and still pursue my goals. It's just that it probably wouldn't be (and certainly the UK is out). I'm not behind the resort idea because I think we should help autistic people who are homeless before we start having autistic resorts. RE: How much would you pledge? - Semicolon - 04-03-2011 01:04 AM This is a very expensive idea in relation to the number of people this charity would help. Just to get the project off the drawing board, you'd need an intense fundraising cycle of three years. All of that money will be going to help only 12 people. In that time and with that money, you could provide advocacy, food, legal representation, or other essential services now, for people who need it now. Also, that is a lot of money. It's not that easy to get people to donate to charity. You didn't factor in any costs besides the cost of the building. What about government fees? Utilities? Legal representation? Administrators to run the facility? Will the residents need any supervision? Food? Furniture? Taxes? You also have very low values for rent. Either rent is much cheaper in the UK than it is in America, or you are counting on continued donations for your survival. Did you plan for some sort of endowment? There are a lot of unanswered questions in your business plan. RE: How much would you pledge? - mdsheppeard - 04-03-2011 01:40 AM qwert Wrote: I'm not behind the resort idea because I think we should help autistic people who are homeless before we start having autistic resorts.
RE: How much would you pledge? - 142857 - 04-03-2011 03:15 AM Living in a house with 12 people doesn't sound like a resort for me. What would be the purpose of this resort or community? RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 04-03-2011 03:17 AM Semicolon Wrote: This is a very expensive idea in relation to the number of people this charity would help. Just to get the project off the drawing board, you'd need an intense fundraising cycle of three years. All of that money will be going to help only 12 people. In that time and with that money, you could provide advocacy, food, legal representation, or other essential services now, for people who need it now. Also, that is a lot of money. It's not that easy to get people to donate to charity.
You didn't factor in any costs besides the cost of the building. What about government fees? Utilities? Legal representation? Administrators to run the facility? Will the residents need any supervision? Food? Furniture? Taxes? You also have very low values for rent. Either rent is much cheaper in the UK than it is in America, or you are counting on continued donations for your survival. Did you plan for some sort of endowment? There are a lot of unanswered questions in your business plan.
RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 04-03-2011 03:20 AM 142857 Wrote: Living in a house with 12 people doesn't sound like a resort for me. What would be the purpose of this resort or community?
RE: How much would you pledge? - Mytelli! - 04-03-2011 04:26 AM If I was to pledge money I would want to know excactly were it was going to be spent and how it was going to be handeled. Full reasearch and calculations. I would also need to know how you belived the intended project would help our cause and the needs of autistic people, and afterwards I would expect to see evidance of the result. If you were to ask for government funding, these would be some basic things you would need to cover. If you could provide these details, prehaps you could ask for government funding. If you were providing services for autistic people our credibility would be improved by 100% and it wouldn't be such a burdan on the little/no funds we have. RE: How much would you pledge? - ForgottenMist - 04-03-2011 09:29 PM skyblue1 Wrote: would definitely need more info
RE: How much would you pledge? - Greginjersey - 04-04-2011 07:27 AM What about accepting international donations "that is not just the UK but US and other countries as well" which could be setup through paypal or something similar setup as a donation account not sure if one could set it up to transfer funds from there to a primary account in the UK possibly doable but I would not be against giving a donation esp if it went to a worthy cause my only gripe is that it should not have to be a fixed amount but a separate box that allows users to type in the amount they choose followed by a confirmation.. RE: How much would you pledge? - Walden - 04-04-2011 06:15 PM Iam only writing this to try to get more details - like another poster mentioned: I would only pledge IF I was SURE the project eventually would come to fruition. I would then pledge a somewhat small amount (like $20.00 every other month) AND pay for a share to actually ge to stay (like a time share). If I was NOT a pledger - of a certain amount. If I pledged nothing. How then would I be allowed to stay there? (when a there was there) IF I was allowed to stay there - say for a vacation time frame - I would guess I would/should be charged MORE than people who did support of pledge - or who were members. So a question is... if I could stay there and not pledge then why would anyone pledge? I would guess there would have to be LEVELS of pledge membership... Eventually if the project got off the ground - business models could be put into place where you knew how much would need to be charged to MAKE money from people who were not members? Of course limits on how many people can stay where and for how long need to be figured out... (Perhaps) The "members" (orginal) would underwrite the start up... what would be their benefit? (other than an ideal...) Would the project eventually end up with rich/er people (corporations/advertisers/for goodwill) donating ? and would the project attract sponsors... or is this an all private .... yes, more info please... (and as a person who lives in the continent of north america - I would not mind visiting the UK - I often think that people could consider trading families just to be able to love in other countries).. Ireland sounds glorious to me... RE: How much would you pledge? - skyblue1 - 04-04-2011 06:43 PM A UK benefactor would be nice. Someone who could put up the whole amount for the property. Someone who could be repaid over time. That way folks could pledge to something already in existence. Instead of having to invest for 3 years before anything would actually happen. RE: How much would you pledge? - Ana54 - 04-05-2011 03:08 AM I'd love to take part, but I'm not in the UK. Where would the place be? I'd try and start one in the US, but I don't think I'd be the ideal person to start it since I'm trying to live near Lars and that. RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 04-05-2011 09:38 AM Greginjersey Wrote: What about accepting international donations "that is not just the UK but US and other countries as well" which could be setup through paypal or something similar setup as a donation account not sure if one could set it up to transfer funds from there to a primary account in the UK possibly doable but I would not be against giving a donation esp if it went to a worthy cause my only gripe is that it should not have to be a fixed amount but a separate box that allows users to type in the amount they choose followed by a confirmation..
RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 04-05-2011 09:41 AM skyblue1 Wrote: A UK benefactor would be nice. Someone who could put up the whole amount for the property. Someone who could be repaid over time. That way folks could pledge to something already in existence. Instead of having to invest for 3 years before anything would actually happen.
RE: How much would you pledge? - Magneto - 04-26-2011 08:06 PM Mmmm? If it's in Wales, you could get a Principality 5 year bond, with a 10-fold return (compounded interest on a monthly basis; I was amazed when I worked it out). You could possibly pay for the thing outright in that case... At the moment, I'm going to look further into the idea of setting up an Academy for Aspies, offering 13-19 education (Years 9 to 13). RE: How much would you pledge? - Some_Bloke - 04-27-2011 12:44 AM Like Skyblue, i would need more info before answering the poll, a lot more. RE: How much would you pledge? - ashleyt - 04-30-2011 02:07 AM Cheaper to buy a plot of land and build on it? Also I think it's probably worth charging decent rent, and using it to expand or whatever. An aim of just 12 people isn't enough at all. Rent of £70 per week/ £280 a month is more than fair. I'd need more information on the actual community aspects, rather than money aspects before donating. I'd not donate a monthly amount, but probably a few thousand straight off. RE: How much would you pledge? - ashleyt - 04-30-2011 02:15 AM Also i'm curious about the community in terms of segregation - Surely seperating the AS community isn't the way forward? Although I can see the benefits of it. RE: How much would you pledge? - Mytelli! - 04-30-2011 11:11 AM I don't really see how this is going to help at all. An explination would be nice, but I think this thread has been dropped RE: How much would you pledge? - Mytelli! - 04-30-2011 02:07 PM 58.33% (or 7 people) have indicated that they will not support this. RE: How much would you pledge? - Louise18 - 04-30-2011 02:53 PM 1. I don't think there is any point in having it in Wales, as there aren't enough people there with the need for an autism-specific project (I mean there aren't enough homeless autistic people). I have lived in homeless shelters, and believe me, the likelihood that autism will be their only problem is pretty small. To manage at all you would have to exclude people who are drug users/alcohol dependent. Homeless shelters charge the government £250 a week per person, they also charge the licencees £25 a week and they use charitable money to provide clothes, and places for people who cannot get govt funding (refugees etc) 2. The way I would go about this is to go to an area where you think autism provisions are poor, and talk to the people who work in those sectors. Find out where they are letting autistic people down, and if you can find somewhere that has a high number of autistic homeless people, try to offer a service that meets the needs of those people for a similar price to the services already provided generally, and then try to convince the govt to fund it (at least once you have set it up). You could even get the contract before you have found the building and build it/ buy it according to what is needed. I think this project is going to be much bigger and tougher than you think. RE: How much would you pledge? - Magneto - 05-29-2011 04:05 PM It all depends on what, exactly, the aim is. Is it to have a sort of permanent retreat people can visit, perhaps on a time-share basis? Is it to serve as the nucleus for a community? I'd like more commentary on my academy idea; here in the UK, you could probably get government support for one, and perhaps find a backer, making it a much easier project. Once you've got that, the next step would be a community? RE: How much would you pledge? - woman from mars - 07-14-2011 12:43 AM Do not send any money to Gareth & Amy RE: A public thankyou Gareth Wrote: Sadly the paypal account we use has been having issues which I need to contact paypal tech support about. If anyone has attempted to donate and their donation has actually been claimed automatically somehow please PM me the transaction ID and i'll ensure it's either refunded or properly accepted. Note though that unless the donate button is used, all donations are manually accepted. I did contact Papal and like any other bank they cannot answer any questions ( even such as the above ) about another persons bank account. However they have assured me that each sum of money which I donated was directly transferred into the aspies for freedom account & cannot be retracted. I was aware that in December of 2006 you had posted that you were having problems with PayPal, but when you requested donations here http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=9901 & when ichtms made his donation here http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=10045, I assumed that all was well again as you were obviously able to access these donations. Prior to my first donation November 2007, AFF had quite often been unavailable, I made the mistake of assuming that this was due to the forum being short of funds. I care very much, as do many others about AFF & although I have limited funds, hoped to be able to make things better, knowing how much many members including myself rely upon the forum. I was aware that private acknowledgments take time so wasn't unduly concerned at not getting a PM until the fiscal year had long gone. Then I did PM you with my concerns & received no response at all. In my opinion common courtesy dictates at least some reply to a valid concern. Then Tigger's APD haircut, which received no acknowledgment from either of you & curiously it seems that mine was the only donation to reach your account. Now, many of the people who have most supported me on this forum & are whom my dear friends, are being threatened and banned for what seems to be the crime of speaking their minds about issues which concern all of us. Like many others, I'm shocked and devastated at recent events. Since you are unable to access them & therefore they are of little use, I request that my donations be refunded. The details were sent to you in PM 30- 08,to which I have received no response. 09-03-2008 09:38 PM Posts: 8,789 Group: Administrators Joined: Jul 2004 Status: Offline Post: #39 RE: A public thankyou woman from mars, for approx. 3 years the forum was costing me directly 140 pounds/280 dollars per month just for hosting alone. This is because of the huge amount of traffic that the site and wiki were generating. That is not including domain names, ads, press releases etc. We cannot access the account at all. We cannot take money out or check it if we cannot access it. Its very frustrating for us too. RE: How much would you pledge? - morty - 07-14-2011 03:02 AM 142857 Wrote: Living in a house with 12 people doesn't sound like a resort for me. What would be the purpose of this resort or community?
Exactly. It sounds like those horrible family vacations I don't go to any more.
RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 07-17-2011 01:04 PM woman from mars Wrote: Do not send any money to Gareth & Amy
RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 07-17-2011 01:07 PM By the way you missed the important bit from that other thread: Gareth Wrote: Paypal will not reveal details on someone else's account, but you can talk to them about your account. State that the account owner for paypal@aspiesforfreedom.com has informed you they can not access the account in a dispute and escalate it. As we can't login to the account to respond, paypal should by default rule in your favour and refund any money that still did somehow get through.
Sadly this is all I can offer with regard to refunds given the problems with accessing the account. The generosity IS appreciated, but as we couldn't access the funds I was uneasy about posting public recogonitions of any claimed donations.
RE: How much would you pledge? - windy - 07-17-2011 05:26 PM I am confused by the last couple of posts. (the donations were not claimed - the money was initially deducted but then like an email that bounced back the funds ended up back in (my) paypal account - maybe that was not so for others. So being as they were blocked I guess Gareth would not have known who attempted. I just wanted to say that for me - when I do something over the internet (money for services/product/charity) I feel comfortable only with paypal. (yes because it is basically anonymous) 1. It is astoundingly easy to set up a paypal account and 2. When we/I tried to submit a donation (during the Tigger hair cut for APD day) I/we got the message that your paypal wasn't working... and 3. Gareth had said he would look into it and 4. It is VERY easy to set up another paypal account and 5. If someone is unable to get a paypal account to work during very straightforward fundraiser it is extremely hard to believe one could get a loan or be able to manage a larger AFF project. 6. I use paypal 10 times a month and it ALWAYS works... they also have insurance and a 60 day (or 90) policy for refunds. I have only had to use on time. That said, I had decided ( a couple of years back when donations on paypal were returned) that perhaps Gareth did not actually want to be in the business of having users pay or be asked to donate and THAT was the reason why the paypal account had deposits disabled. (I also do not recall Tigger being thanked officially for her efforts - perhaps she was - I know she was thanked by us members and we loved the radio spot where she was interviewed..) RE: How much would you pledge? - Gareth - 07-17-2011 06:28 PM I have a personal paypal account which I use happily all the time, but that is linked to a real bank account - the AFF account was not. That is possibly why we had issues. RE: How much would you pledge? - Magneto - 08-08-2011 09:11 PM http://www.uklanddirectory.org.uk/land-for-sale.asp?id=14920 I'd like it for myself, but I don't have the funding at the moment, and probably will have to wait for a couple of years grrr. It will be off the market by the time anything gets done, I imagine, but it serves as an example of the sort of properties available. There's no need to fork out £150k. Gareth might be able to fund it himself...? Or at least the initial part of buying the land and creating a holding company for it. RE: How much would you pledge? - Magneto - 08-08-2011 09:12 PM Here's another one, with a teeny bit more land and 2/3 the price: http://www.uklanddirectory.org.uk/land-for-sale.asp?id=13613. We're not talking megabucks for this project, guys. |