NT's would be bullied, discriminated against and misunderstood.

It's sad, but that's how the human race behaves

no need to be a downer here man! XD

NT's would be bullied, discriminated against and misunderstood.

It's sad, but that's how the human race behaves

In that case, Aspies would bully, discriminate against and misunderstand each other.

Exactly. The only trouble is, they don't know that.

I think we should be run by a benevolent dictatorship/Monarchy thing

All right, then. I'll be queen.

You do realize that aspies are humans too, right?

AGREED, but wouldnt we be kinda like the borg, except self sufficient without the need to assimilate?
Living in complete harmoney each wither their own specific jobs that they excel in, complete honesty and efficient structure!

AWSOME!

Welcome to AFF Ash!

Thats not true if we isolated ourselves we would probably be lost in the dark.

We can still trade but due to the fact we would be a country of specialists, we would lead in every field.

I concur, Japan isolated themselves for a long long time. and look at them now (excluding natural disasters).

What is your specialty? What would you contribute? Do you take care of yourself now, with no assistance?

Try not to sound so elitist. We arent all that.

I am just speaking of reality, of course.

I can contribute to the military and politics. We do excel in our specific field of interest. So as a country we would excel at everything

well maybe not everything, perfection IS an imperfection all in itself.

tsk tsk tsk.

NO way, you made a wrong assumption in thinking that people with AS are bad at creative things when indeed we ALL have our own strengths, like me for example, im very good with the flute and the visual arts!!  

Not at all. I was not thinking of creativity. I was thinking of that knack of getting one's timing from the conductor. I have performed on stage, and I know how it feels.

Well yeah I actually think it'd be pretty nice but, unfortunetly… for all intensive purposes the honest Aspie trait doesn't survive post traumatic stress and stuff. Pretty much anyone who has it pretty much starts being able to lie once survival somehow requires it if i'm not mistaken.
And even then, I think it would deeply depend on the crowd. so yeah I’d move into the autistic quarter right now,– if it was done by really courage autism pride peoples.

And would we have another language for written communication, as in Switzerland?

Probably not, if the language were an artificially constructed one,
it would be "rather defined by phonemes rather than graphemes",
so we could have an unified speaking and writting system.

And for the case of Switzerland, I have no idea about it.
Does the situation bring real benefits to Swiss people?

(Sorry, it is `spoken language'  rather than `speaking language' .)

Good idea.  We would also need a VERY strong military, educational, technological, and law enforcement/administration budget.  A language that all could practically speak well would be helpful.  Also, a strong leader would help too.  Foreign relations might be tricky.  It is better to be RESPECTED by the other nations rather than feared.  Fear is a double-edged sword that bites the user in the buttocks when they LEAST EXPECT IT!  Respect, on the other hand, lasts for eternity when kept well.

In a word, yes. What made you think it had ceased to?

If any place is likely to suffer an implosion from a negative birthrate, it would be there.  :-)

Okay, fine... we can just take over the Vatican, then.

Why would that be?

Why, because I thought it would be funny as an Onion news flash.  Oh, and because it would make for a really pleasant invasion if no one was home.

As I keep saying, Aspergians of the world unite!  However, your goals seem nice but the methodology is legitimately flawed.  Constantly fettering your population would cause them to HATE you.  We must not be Stalinist or Hitler-like.  Lenin himself did not seek to strangle his population.  He even allowed a modicum of free market economics.  We must give our citizens a modicum of freedoms at least.  However, we should NOT let our citizens run wild either.  One thing you may not get at this moment is that fear is a double edged sword that backfires on the user.  Respect, if maintained well, will last forever.  Lastly, if your population is happy, there will be no rebellions.

Im a girl!  Ms. Pop!   LMFAO

I agree with your way of thinking but people need pleasure in the world and i think that gambling, booze, hookers and weed would be best placed in its own quarters and under strict serveilance and health surveilance, I believe that abortion should be a given right for women, and I believe that murderers, rapist, molesters and what not should be ex dumped off in the middle of antarctica, drug dealers are just looking for money because they usually dont have any means to have a properjob, i think they should be sent to a re-educational facility.   murderers should be psychologically treated by any means necessary, and rapists should be sterillized and then psychologically treated.

your a psycho, you should get checked for any other mental illnesses... you sir are just as crazy. LOL, what a douche, getting so pissed off just because of an opinion, its not like the guy is in politics.

I agree with your way of thinking but people need pleasure in the world and i think that gambling, booze, hookers and weed would be best placed in its own quarters and under strict serveilance and health surveilance, I believe that abortion should be a given right for women, and I believe that murderers, rapist, molesters and what not should be ex dumped off in the middle of antarctica, drug dealers are just looking for money because they usually dont have any means to have a properjob, i think they should be sent to a re-educational facility.   murderers should be psychologically treated by any means necessary, and rapists should be sterillized and then psychologically treated.
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That system of law would actually work, i mean when people go to prison, they change for the worst, they are more violent and their personality has changed. If only goverments and stuff wold listen to you!
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thank you, i mean this is all possible, ANYTHING is possible! its just a matter of believing it.

Woah, it's only an opinion, not to be taken seriously and since when did he say the stuff about taking NT children away.

I think that little angry man should go to anger management classes and take anti-depressants that are clearly much needed.

oops, i meant serial killers and serial rapists and the worst of the worst should be simply dumped off in the middle of antarctica... so its not technically execution, but serves the same purpose.
[/quote] Yeah, both of them are really twisted. I mean most killers, have done something terrible and feel guilt about it, but serial killers, at least most of them enjoy killing people. Serial rapists are also twisted people.

Thanks!

So what do you guys think our country parliament should be like?

I think it should have two chambers: rational and irrational. And there will be political debates all the time.

What does "mononationality" mean? Israel has three official languages, and at least two ethnic groups. What's so great about Belarus?

I meant idea of country actually ,I dont want to live there either especially with all there problems with radiation they have right now.

The majority of Japan is not affected by radiation; you make it sound as if the entire country is awash in fallout.

This entire topic is a fantasy, regardless.  A nation populated only by diagnosed autistic individuals would be no more cohesive than any other, and no more ethical.  Ethics are LEARNED and VOLUNTARY, which is why there is such a huge variance in ethical behavior in general.  Ethics derive entirely from "nurture", not from "nature".  A country of Aspies would be just as fractured and imperfect as any nation full of neurotypicals.

Of course it will not and actually cant be some kind of paradise or dreamland. The idea is to make country where aspie people will be not tortured or "cured" and instead of that will be taught science, trained martial arts and etc.

Since I already identified that ethics is learned - and you didn't dispute it - what makes you still think that a nation of nothing but Aspies is necessary to establish sufficient ethics to prevent the discrimination you fear?  Since ethics are learned, essentially ANYONE, autistic or neurotypical, can be more or less ethical.

You make the grievous mistake of assuming that ANYONE from the autistic spectrum is automatically by nature more ethical than those who are not.  That is very short-sighted, and demonstrably untrue.

A final example of short-sightedness: what about the consequences of reproduction in this all-Aspie nation?  Do you not recognize that not all of the progeny will themselves actually be autistic, and that many or most will actually be what could only be described as neurotypical?  What of these b4st4rd progeny?  Are they to be exiled or culled because they don't fit the national prescription?  This leads to one of two outcomes: (a) either this Aspie nation is quickly overrun by neurotypical descendants in several generations, or (b) it atrophies and dies from self-imposed attrition.

Such a thing thus cannot exist, and should never be allowed to exist.  I'm putting a bullet in the head of this three-legged horse right now.

DenRF figures that a nation of Chick Norrises can better defend itself against hostile NT takeovers.

My son does.

*** Godwin's Law ***

What exactly IS your goal?  It's becoming apparent that it's not what you've been saying it is.  There are already "open and democratic" nations... why do you ignore those existing institutions and insist on creating yet another one of your design?  "Final goal of... our own aspie nation"?  WHY?  FOR WHAT PURPOSE, if ethics and democracy already exist?  Don't like where you live now, because it's not one of the existing democracies?  Well then, get your doggone passport and MOVE!

Don't try to solve your personal malcontent by demanding an entire new country where you get to decide who your countrymen are.

As far as it being just a thought experiment, as 142857 suggested, I've already demonstrated the experiment would be a complete failure, with no possible good (ethical) outcome.  Time to move on to some useful thought experiment, like how to eliminate tribalism in human society and politics.

LOL, no no no Im thinking that there would be VIRTUALLY no NTs, like a perfect country for aspies!

What about NT children we have? My aspie uncle has an NT son.

Also, no un-owned land (if there was, the libertarians would have 'homesteaded' it already). We can see from Israel that a zionistic movement to claim an already-inhabited land does not end well.

Indeed. What was the last military conflict decided by superior martial arts? The Chinese lost the Boxer Rebellion, after all.

Well said; this whole idea reeks of a nationalist separatism that I've always despised.

Indeed... my neighbors next door were complaining of the smell and I had to turn off my router for a bit and rinse it out.

I would not want this.

It is so easy? I only need a passport? Will try ,will try

(ABSOLUTE OFFTOPIC - in my country man can not move outside the border, until he will serve in the army. If you are officially diagnosed with asperger syndrome, you are free from serving ,BUT there is a law that you STILL must PROVE ,that you are not fake it. By proving, i mean ,that you must stay in the government psych hospital for 21 day ,where you will be treated very ,very well. I know aspie people who became completely invalid after such "treatment". And i am not talking about visas and etc )

again
I was wrong ,when i said that only aspie people should live in such country.

I was wrong ,when i said that NT children of aspie people should be parented.

If it is not against the rules, i will quote statement of another aspie from denmark on different forum

"there are momentarily 6,775,235,700 people living on this planet.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=world+population

the estimated prevalence of aspies alone stands somewhere around 0.3%.

but the prevalence of ASD spectrum as a whole is currently estimated at 1%... meaning there are 67,752,357 aliens like us living on this planet... meaning more people than live in the entire UK... or in france..."
by aspi-rant

Why cant such big number of people at least have a choice where to live ? Not in every country aspie people can live in peace. For example in my country if people will know that you have ANY kind of psych problem and you visit psychiatrist you will be fired from your job ,you will loose ability to have a driving license,your friends and even relatives will turn against you and etc.(Yes ,its true and i am not kidding)

Risk of loosing everything forces aspies of my and several other countries to live in secret world without telling you wife, or parents ,or friends like criminals or spies; without proper medical treatment ,without ability to have official places to "hang out with your own people", without anything.

Yes i v made mistakes when i wrote that statement. Main was i thought that aspies  around the globe live in same condition as we do. I was wrong. Thanks for explaining me that, anyway

So, the academy, a farm around it, and cottages.

Here's another post of mine:

*Darth Vader theme plays*

I honestly don't think that the idea would work, we need NTs in society, a scoiety with NTs or one without Aspies would just not work.

Why? You mean land issues, which wouldn't be such a problem if we bought all the land, or something else?

I know about that place... it's plenty big enough for a micronation to run Autarky.

Perhaps Canada will sell us enough land at a cheap enough price? A few million should be able to buy us a few dozen square kilometers, it's not worth much at the moment... set up a railway network, along with a sizeable canal for water supply and a telecommunications link (the spine of the country, as it were), and build settlements alongside it; farms can load their grain directly onto the trains for delivery.

Yes, I could develop it into quite a good little micronation...

Maybe Canada isn't the best idea. From my understanding, they're idea of Autism and Asperger's is along the lines of AutSqueaks' thought processes. I wouldn't trust the Canadians to sell Autistic/Aspies land and just leave us be.
I do like your idea with the whole Aspie Academy thing, and it sort of rings true to a story idea I had but have yet to write. Its about a community of Autistics who use their focus to either improve or invent new technologies that everyone else, NT or not, use around the world. By patenting their designs, they become self-sufficient and capable. Sounds a bit like your 'Aspie Academy' idea, Magneto.

TBF, I wouldn't trust America either. But where else is there enough support and low enough land prices, aside from America and Canada? Perhaps Alaska will resist federal misuse of power enough? A coastal strip would do fine...

We wouldn't have to, actually, ya' know, secede. Just set up a functioning state on private land. What could they do to interfere, without breaking their own laws?

Hmmm... the problem is, I could imagine overpopulation becoming an issue, given the small amount of land we'd be having to make do with - you then become vulnerable to nations refusing to sell you stuff.

Count me out then (er, have I already said that?)

Turning Japanese, sung by The Vapors. Just one of many songs obscurely about self-pleasuring.

Others include:
* She Bop by Cyndi Lauper.
* Smack My *** Up by Prodigy
* Dancing With Myself by Billy Idol.

That is totally true!
It only some NTs could graps that. And vice versa.

Which place?

It seems to me that Tambourine-Man is saying that Silicon Valley is a country. I won't deny that there is a higher rate of autism there.

Just a little joke... I make myself laugh.

I know. I was doing the same thing, just at your expense. I tend to do that to people I like, so don't be offended, or anything.

Interesting idea.

My manager started it not me. And soon my job search could not be concealed. Calling potential employers on company time (because they are business hours), being called on my cell phone on company time, and interviewing on company time. Fortunately manager permitted me to do all of the above.

I have been unemployed now 15 days. I am still looking for a job. I interview about every week. Unemployment is a joke, about $315 a week. It is fortunate I still have assets. Hope this is another short job search like last year.

Again, my attention is somewhat diverted. This place is a frigging mess. I didn't get to organizing it last year when I was unemployed and this time I hope to do better. When I am permanently employed I will have to move to Woodbridge and downsizing some useless junk (to Goodwill or Salvation Army, charity, useful to someone else) might be a good idea for someone about to share possibly cramped living quarters with a woman/wife.

I started so far with organizing my INBOX of postal mail. It is full of six months worth of mail. I need to make a run to a shredding joint (http://www.freesecureshredding.com) to destroy at least one overflowing box of sensitive paper.

Then, decluttering the living room and organizing the bedroom, and giving bathroom a good cleaning.

NT's would be bullied, discriminated against and misunderstood.

It's sad, but that's how the human race behaves

Uh I don't wanna live in this country sounds kinda fascist, and not much fun and wtf is the problem with it having a lot of Asians, your no places of worship policy doesn't personally effect me but I think its wrong, even countries in the world that are officially atheist allow places of worship, as for no alcohol and drugs not only not being tolerated but an executable offense, no thanks.  I think of Neurodiversity as meaning we need all kinds of minds.  People with Aspergers and Autism are very good at some things but not others, both the rest of the world and this Aspergers land will suffer.  Also having doctors that diagnose people just to let them in.  Isn't much of the "diagnosis" nonsense really sorta the enemy so to speak.  Eugenics really I don't even know where to begin, we are all about anti eugenics here, and I would be even If I wasn't an Aspie.

NTs would probably be perceived as slackers at the office. They talk too much, maybe laugh and socialize too much. Working with hyperfocus would be the organizational norm.

"Get back to work [NT]!"

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NT's would be bullied, discriminated against and misunderstood.

It's sad, but that's how the human race behaves

lol, rofl! Stereotyping such a huge demographic, if racists have the intelligence of a terrapin... wonder how much intelligence you've got. My friend cannot believe that people actually stereotype people for being neurotypical. Well, I showed her (with google)... got some pretty awful examples, even. Someone posted directions on making stink bombs. I wonder if it would be a hate crime to throw them at someone you think is a neurotypical.

Very likable post... smart.

Wut? -_-

LOL! highfive CX I don't think they take kindly to being called that though. *sign languages the rest of her reply*

Why must people be segregated or thought of a superior species? *cries* Do away with your silly desires and come party! TOGETHER IS BETTER. (Okay, okay, I didn't actually cry but I'm sure if I listened to or read those type posts for an hour I could).