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Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Duckfetishgirl - 05-13-2010 05:16 AM

WBC never ceases to make me laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veNQwzW8ays

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 05-13-2010 05:32 AM

Yeah, there really funny, gosh, they remind me of my um *gulp* Auntie.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Dark Shamshir X - 05-13-2010 05:47 AM

Good thing they are all banned from Britain. But in America, Fred Phelp's daughter is a lawyer. And in America, a lawyer can get you out of any legal consequence, even mass murder.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Duckfetishgirl - 05-13-2010 11:03 AM

Even Faux News hates Westboro Baptist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMP3AK5jwo&feature=related

I guess it is too right wing even for them?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Duckfetishgirl - 05-13-2010 11:06 AM

Westboro Baptist Church does Gay Bar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0bhlK0K6Q&feature=related

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - skyblue1 - 05-14-2010 03:34 AM

Dark Shamshir X Wrote:

Good thing they are all banned from Britain. But in America, Fred Phelp's daughter is a lawyer. And in America, a lawyer can get you out of any legal consequence, even mass murder.

why would they be excluded from the UK ?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Marcia - 05-14-2010 03:42 AM

They're not all banned, just the Fred Phelps guy and maybe one or two others. They're banned because they express views, the content and nature of which are not permitted in the UK. Saves us the hassle and expense of having to arrest and prosecute them.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - robexib - 05-14-2010 03:52 AM

I'm not for their views, but I'm all for their expression of such views, even though they are hateful, ignorant, and possibly just incestuous white trash. To be against an expression of views different from our own would be against the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - skyblue1 - 05-14-2010 04:01 AM

robexib Wrote:

I'm not for their views, but I'm all for their expression of such views, even though they are hateful, ignorant, and possibly just incestuous white trash. To be against an expression of views different from our own would be against the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

I have to agree with the above. But I understand the UK's responce to them , also

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Marcia - 05-14-2010 04:10 AM

There were those who argued at the time that they shouldn't have been banned for what they might say, but instead allowed to come here, and if they did say or do anything they shouldn't, then action should be taken against them. I'd be inclined to that perspective myself, but to be honest, I'm not that bothered either way.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - q w e r t y - 05-14-2010 04:43 AM

robexib Wrote:

Guess some of us are against the US constitution too!

*waits for a mob induced death

I don't like Lady Gaga either, by the way, but this is really a horrible attempt to criticize her.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Duckfetishgirl - 05-14-2010 04:56 AM

I used to hate Lady GaGa. It felt as if she was hell bent on burning her image on the backs of my retinas and wanted her to go away and stop assaulting my eyes. She grew on me eventually. Like moss.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Lestat - 05-14-2010 05:47 PM

She is kinda hawt, although I admit this grudgingly.

I wouldn't usually do non-metal music band members, but she isn't TOO bad.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - q w e r t y - 05-14-2010 06:27 PM

That's a wonderful criterion for judging music. You have now converted me and my musical tastes are changing drastically as we speak.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Duckfetishgirl - 06-10-2010 04:06 AM

New Parody "God's Mad"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPWsrnDjC0&feature=related

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - timhomer2007 - 06-25-2010 04:40 AM

Is there anything they won't do?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - skyblue1 - 06-25-2010 04:43 AM

no there isnt

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - robexib - 06-25-2010 05:12 AM

timhomer2007 Wrote:

Is there anything they won't do?

Well, little boys, maybe. *ducks*

But seriously, probably not.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Duckfetishgirl - 05-05-2011 07:49 PM

The reason it's so funny is because of how lame a parody it is.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 10-02-2011 01:39 PM

q w e r t y Wrote:

robexib Wrote:

Guess some of us are against the US constitution too!

*waits for a mob induced death

I don't like Lady Gaga either, by the way, but this is really a horrible attempt to criticize her.

*kills you with a mob*

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ETHAN1994 - 10-04-2011 12:24 AM

HA!

That made me laugh. Those guys truly are psycho, aren't they? I hate their opinions, so I call them the Westboro B*****d Church.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Kapkao - 10-04-2011 01:13 AM

Duckfetishgirl Wrote:

Even Faux News hates Westboro Baptist Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMP3AK5jwo&feature=related

I guess it is too right wing even for them?

WBC isn't conservative/RW. They are self-loathing Americans. Of course no one republican or conservative would, in their right mind, personally approve of much they say.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 10-04-2011 01:57 AM

ETHAN1994 Wrote:

HA!

That made me laugh. Those guys truly are psycho, aren't they? I hate their opinions, so I call them the Westboro B*****d Church.

In the Novel I'm currently writing, I base a cult leader on Fred Phillips. Hope they don't picket outside my house when I publish!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ETHAN1994 - 10-04-2011 01:56 PM

ScrewTheLiving Wrote:

ETHAN1994 Wrote:

HA!

That made me laugh. Those guys truly are psycho, aren't they? I hate their opinions, so I call them the Westboro B*****d Church.

In the Novel I'm currently writing, I base a cult leader on Fred Phillips. Hope they don't picket outside my house when I publish!

That's a good idea!
I hope they don't picket your house either!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BeNdEr - 10-04-2011 05:41 PM

WBC make me sick. Those people are so ignorant and completely hateful towards other human beings.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 10-04-2011 06:39 PM

They're and I repeat, always will be an occult.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - tambourine-man - 10-04-2011 10:28 PM

Thanks Ducky! Best part of my day!

Is the democratic party paying them under the table? I see no other explanation. Them and Sarah Palin!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 10-05-2011 02:22 AM

tambourine-man Wrote:

Thanks Ducky! Best part of my day!

Is the democratic party paying them under the table? I see no other explanation. Them and Sarah Palin!

haha, what makes you think any democrats want to pay them money? Everyone hates them. EVERYONE. Their family is just really big, so their church gets a good cut of their salaries.

They just got sued for 11 million dollars I think.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - AspieGrrl - 10-05-2011 02:40 AM

They deserve pain for what they spread.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 10-05-2011 02:42 AM

AspieGrrl Wrote:

They deserve pain for what they spread.

They already get shot at, car windows smashed, death threats, global discrimination and overt hatred. Short of having to live in a shoe, not sure I'd want to see their lives anymore miserable.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - AspieGrrl - 10-05-2011 04:24 AM

ScrewTheLiving Wrote:

AspieGrrl Wrote:

They deserve pain for what they spread.

They already get shot at, car windows smashed, death threats, global discrimination and overt hatred. Short of having to live in a shoe, not sure I'd want to see their lives anymore miserable.

Not the kids, they need to be taken away from all the hate. Sad
They are horrible people.
They do not know how to love their neighbors.
They are intolerant, and I feel like such a hypocrite when I think of them, but I cannot tolerate that sort of hate and discrimination. It makes me feel as though I'll be sick.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 10-05-2011 11:22 AM

AspieGrrl Wrote:

ScrewTheLiving Wrote:

AspieGrrl Wrote:

They deserve pain for what they spread.

They already get shot at, car windows smashed, death threats, global discrimination and overt hatred. Short of having to live in a shoe, not sure I'd want to see their lives anymore miserable.

We in America need to dig deep in our pockets to pay for a small army of grief counselors who hug professionally. That family needs them.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 02:36 AM

How does someone have the "right" to protest a private funeral while at the same time if a new Bill passes we cannot protest at landmarks?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 03-07-2012 03:47 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

How does someone have the "right" to protest a private funeral while at the same time if a new Bill passes we cannot protest at landmarks?

I assume you're not being literal because the how is simply a matter of law.

I personally think putting a ban on any kind of protests isn't right.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - skyblue1 - 03-07-2012 03:53 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

How does someone have the "right" to protest a private funeral while at the same time if a new Bill passes we cannot protest at landmarks?

They are not at the funerals.......by law,they have to be away from the mouners.

At least thats the rule here.

They are just in close proximity

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 03:54 AM

For public figures, but not for private individuals dying of AIDS.  That is actual harassment and not protest.

I would defend their right to protest the public funeral of a public figure like a politician or someone known in the public eye, however horrendous.  I would not defend their "right" to protest a child dying of a hurricane.  This is a distinction in American law, one between a public figure and a private citizen.  The Supreme Court decision blurred that line.

You should also address my point about how my rights are diminished daily while Freddy and Shirley seem to be sacrosanct and untouchable.

Also, the Feds went to them for training on how to address protests.  I mean, HUH??????

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - LadiKapitan - 03-07-2012 03:57 AM

I honestly don't understand how Westboro is even still in existence. I mean, these people are so extreme that even the most religious people don't want to deal with them.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 04:01 AM

Why don't the religious people protest them if that is the case? Most who protest them are gay activists, liberals, and military veterans.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - LadiKapitan - 03-07-2012 04:18 AM

Maybe its because they are fearful of looking like hypocrites

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ScrewTheLiving - 03-07-2012 04:18 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

Why don't the religious people protest them if that is the case? Most who protest them are gay activists, liberals, and military veterans.

They've had a lot of protest against them. Many resulting in assaults. They've made it pretty clear that they just want attention to their church and have fun getting it by exploiting anyone.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-07-2012 04:39 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

Why don't the religious people protest them if that is the case? Most who protest them are gay activists, liberals, and military veterans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2pfbMqKeo

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 06:41 AM

I said protests by Christian groups, not by Anonymous.

Why don't Christian Churches specifically target them as what they are not about if they truly oppose them? Why would they then look like hypocrites?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-07-2012 06:54 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

I said protests by Christian groups, not by Anonymous.

Why don't Christian Churches specifically target them as what they are not about if they truly oppose them? Why would they then look like hypocrites?

There was a church group in that video that was opposing them.... Rolleyes

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 07:20 AM

OK. I just looked at the title and assumed it was Anonymous.

I stand corrected. Why don't I hear from them more? It would be nice for those who are not Christians to hear that not all Christians are extremists. (i.e. that Christianity and extreme conservatism are not the same thing)

Genesis Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:

There was a church group in that video that was opposing them.... Rolleyes

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-07-2012 07:26 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

OK. I just looked at the title and assumed it was Anonymous.

I stand corrected. Why don't I hear from them more? It would be nice for those who are not Christians to hear that not all Christians are extremists. (i.e. that Christianity and extreme conservatism are not the same thing)

Genesis Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:

There was a church group in that video that was opposing them.... Rolleyes

It depends on what kind of Christianity they're spreading to begin with...

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 07:36 AM

Well, OK....

I'm not sure how to address that.  Well, let me put this another way.  I see Christian Evangelicals talking about gays, environmentalists, feminists, liberals, socialists, Muslims, and a litany of other issues that seem to suggest that they are less interested in spiritual liberation ("salvation") and more interested in furthering a kind of socio-political agenda.  I suspect that the Westboro Church has co-opted enough of their memes that they might actually be afraid that God *WOULD* hate them if they opposed Fred Phelps.  The fear may be unconscious, but it is there in a lot of them.

The same might be said for moderate Muslims in the Middle East, namely that they are controlled through the fear of hell.  Fear of hell seems to be a potent means of controlling people.  But, more than that, there may be a sense in which the radicals have co-opted certain memes held by a vast number of Muslims.  Here in America, the Westboro Church, the Minutemen, and the Tea Party seem to have co-opted our cultural memes in a similar way.  ("Family," Religion, Patriotism, et al) Even "moderates" seem weak in opposing them.  Potent counter-rhetoric is hard to come by---except among Occupy Wall Street people.

Hats off to the church group you put up there.  However, I would think that there would be more if most Evangelicals are opposed to them.  More time on them and less time on birth control coverage from Foggy Bottom would reflect priorities that would suggest a humble willingness to clean house.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 07:43 AM

"I see Christian Evangelicals talking about gays, environmentalists, feminists, liberals, socialists, Muslims, and a litany of other issues that seem to suggest that they are less interested in spiritual liberation ("salvation") and more interested in furthering a kind of socio-political agenda."

Clarification: I am talking about those who are political in nature. I am not talking about everyone, or those who are progressive.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - LadiKapitan - 03-07-2012 01:51 PM

I agree that it would be nice to see more Christians standing against such hate groups (because Westboro essentially is a hate group). That is why people cringe when they hear 'Christian'. The true premise of Christianity actually goes AGAINST what this church is trying to promote, which is why I agree that they need to take more of a stand. I am guessing the ones who refuse to protest, are the ones who are mostly about politics and function like a corporation.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-07-2012 03:48 PM

I don't know enough about them to know they are a 'hate group'. The videos may or may not be meant to be funny, therein lies the snag. If anybody has clear examples of things that can't possibly be anything else, share them?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Luke Mauser - 03-07-2012 04:51 PM

Duckfetishgirl Wrote:

I used to hate Lady GaGa. It felt as if she was hell bent on burning her image on the backs of my retinas and wanted her to go away and stop assaulting my eyes. She grew on me eventually. Like moss.

I once published an article in a 'real' magazine in which I called Lady GaGa 'repulsive'. My views are yet to change.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-07-2012 05:07 PM

I quite like her music & just find her way OTT appearance funny, personally, sorry.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Luke Mauser - 03-07-2012 06:05 PM

BruceCM Wrote:

I quite like her music & just find her way OTT appearance funny, personally, sorry.

No need to apologize. You view / my view. That's life!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-07-2012 06:12 PM

Wasn't exactly an apology, more an acknowledgment of the drastically different views. That won't cover calling something 'hate', though. That's rather more than saying the person really doesn't like something that, after all, they can avoid far more easily than I could socialize without the problems I get there. So, any clear egs of this 'hate' stuff, please? That's the much more important point. Produce any & I'll stand against whoever's doing it!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 08:41 PM

They are a hate group. Research them and you will see.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-07-2012 09:08 PM

So, you can't post ONE eg? All I'd find, online, would be claims & counter claims, with no way to know which were true, for such a thing.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 09:22 PM

Well, let's see. They have protested the funerals of people dying of AIDS. They have protested the funerals of children who have died in disasters. They have protested the Holocaust Memorial ("some Jews will repent" they say). They have a web page (or did) specifically dedicated to the number of days Mathew Shephard is spending in hell (he is fine, believe me).

Finally, the have a webpage titled "God hates the World." I think that it is a parody of Michael Jackson or something. Every single country is listed and the reasons are told why God hates that particular country. They may be equal opportunity hate mongers, but they are still hate mongers none the less.

But, you could have figured that on your own with a little research.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 09:23 PM

They are not kidding. These people are serious.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-07-2012 09:51 PM

I wouldn't know that. The initial parody video seems funny & there's plenty of humor I dislike around.. If there was actual evidence, it'd surely go to proper authorities. Freedom of speech isn't cited to defend promoting, say, racism, so IF they're really such a hate group, I don't see why it'd be any more difficult to dismiss that 'defense' It's hardly me you really need to convince, then, anyway.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-07-2012 10:31 PM

There was a Court case on the matter...

Again, it is not my job to do your research for you.

You are free to keep your opinion. I choose convenience over convincing people. Take care.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-08-2012 09:24 AM

It seems to really be a States thing? Potentially, if you & those on that side could convince more people about it, it might help. Not too sure what I could do about it, having been thinking about it, as a general point. I don't really have much opinion about the people! Best wishes with that.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-08-2012 09:44 AM

Britain has banned them. I do not favor that type of thing, banning people on ideological grounds that is.

Frankly, I don't have much of an opinion on them either except that they are a great advertisement for individuality and free thought as opposed to any church, government, or educational institution enforcing group think.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-08-2012 04:20 PM

Oh, right, so we shouldn't fight Autsqueaks? If they're a 'hate' group, like I covered, freedom of speech is usually taken not to include that! Frankly, this sort of 'arguing' is exactly the problem but don't mind me, nobody else does.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-08-2012 04:34 PM

LadiKapitan Wrote:

I agree that it would be nice to see more Christians standing against such hate groups (because Westboro essentially is a hate group). That is why people cringe when they hear 'Christian'. The true premise of Christianity actually goes AGAINST what this church is trying to promote, which is why I agree that they need to take more of a stand. I am guessing the ones who refuse to protest, are the ones who are mostly about politics and function like a corporation.

I'm sorry, but they are the embodiment of christianity. Every thing they teach is taken from the bible.

-God hate fag: He does, he burn Sodom and ghomorra because of that.
-Burning in hell: Again it is right in the bible. Gehenna.
-Abortion: It's in the bible too. You should not kill the unborn, its punishable by death.
etc etc.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-08-2012 04:36 PM

BRuce they do promote hate. Check youtube, there is a video called the most hated familly in america (or something like that). Check them out.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-08-2012 05:21 PM

OK, that part's not really an argument with me, now. Apparently, IF they are, there's still a debate about whether or not they should be banned, anyway. What, then, would I do, if I did agree? I'm out of this one, it's just like 'normal' arguments & I was fed up of those long ago, sort it out amongst yourselves

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-08-2012 08:23 PM

Sodom was destroyed because they oppressed the poor, not because they were gay. (Book of Ezekiel)

Rightwingers are very selective in interpreting the Hebrew and Christian Bibles.

Vampslord Wrote:

LadiKapitan Wrote:

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-09-2012 05:49 PM

Sodom and gomorah were destroyed because of sexual depravity. Genesis. (supposedly first hand account: Lot was Moses cousin).
Hence the name sodom became sodomy in a lot of language. (french, english)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah
"In Christian and Islamic traditions, Sodom and Gomorrah have become synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's wrath.[2][Jude 1:7] Sodom and Gomorrah have also been used as metaphors for vice and homosexuality viewed as a deviation. The story has therefore given rise to words in several languages, including the English word sodomy, used in so-called sodomy laws to describe a sexual "crime against nature" consisting of anal sex, either homosexual or heterosexual.[3]"

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-09-2012 05:51 PM

BruceCM Wrote:

OK, that part's not really an argument with me, now. Apparently, IF they are, there's still a debate about whether or not they should be banned, anyway. What, then, would I do, if I did agree? I'm out of this one, it's just like 'normal' arguments & I was fed up of those long ago, sort it out amongst yourselves

I dont think they should be banned or silenced. Nobody shouild ever be, no matter what *** they say. Ever. The right to say anything should never be infringe upon. With that right also come the critic tough. So if you can say anything, be ready to get critize.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-09-2012 08:05 PM

"49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom: pride, fulness of bread, and careless ease was in her and in her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." (Ezekiel 16:49)

Nothing here about gays.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-10-2012 06:41 AM

Genesis 19:3

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-10-2012 06:43 AM

The angel were sent to judge the city to see if there was enough good men to not destroy it. If they would have found ten, god would not have nuke it. But they didn't since all the men, young and old, wanted to have sex with the angel.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-10-2012 07:17 AM

Vampslord Wrote:

The angel were sent to judge the city to see if there was enough good men to not destroy it. If they would have found ten, god would not have nuke it. But they didn't since all the men, young and old, wanted to have sex with the angel.

I've been familiar with that since Sunday School.... what year was that?

(sorry open thought)

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-11-2012 10:45 PM

They did attempt to have sex with the Angels, and this was part of the sin. But, the sin was lack of compassion, which could manifest as sexual predation.

I am not suggesting that the Hebrew Bible approves of homosexuality, as some verses plainly attest, just that it was not a fixation for the ancient Israelites the way that it was for the Greeks and Romans of the west.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-11-2012 11:54 PM

Western culture has focused on sex a great deal. My sense is that such a focus is more Christian than Jewish.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-12-2012 04:01 PM

It is from christianity.

I think Israelite fixate way more on it then Greek or Roman. After all you would not be stone to death in Greek or Roman city for being gay, wheras in Jewish city it was a crime you could die for.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-12-2012 07:40 PM

I look at the degree to which western civilization has focused on the matter, both pro- and con-, and contrast it with the general disinterest it invited among Jewish culture. Other Middle Eastern cultures seem to have to same pro- or con- fixation as the Greeks and Romans. The one issuefor Hebrews was/is one of reproduction. When you are small in numbers, you tend to be big on marriage.

I could be wrong. Orthodox Rabbinical thought is very anti-gay, certainly today. I also think that ancient people did not define sexuality the way that we do today. "Straight" and "gay" may not have existed in ancient societies in quite the way that they exist today as identities.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ivanova-aspie - 03-13-2012 08:35 AM

I am a Christian. and if i were saw the westbore cult i would protest them because THEY DO NOT represent Christ at ALL!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-13-2012 09:28 AM

Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-13-2012 02:07 PM

The same way moderate muslim never speak up against extremist. They just wont start bashing people of the same faith. They could end-up debunking themself.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-13-2012 09:24 PM

That is my point. The extremists are able to high-jack certain concepts. The "moderates" appear weak for no going along with them. That is a dangerous state of affairs. Phelps should not be faced with gay protesters or with military protesters first and foremost. His first and foremost opponents should be Christians themselves in Church groups. Otherwise, I can only suspect that he speaks for a lot of people who would not admit that he speaks for them.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-14-2012 02:24 AM

La, la, la, la. Given their 'enemies' advocate their 'right to free speech' , as if that covers 'HATE'. La, la, la, la, la....

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-14-2012 02:34 AM

??? I don't understand what you are saying. I am being literal when I say that I do not understand. Might you rephrase it?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-14-2012 03:02 AM

I totally do not understand how anybody can say BOTH that they are a 'hate' group AND promote their 'right to freedom of speech'! I'm almost always literal in what I say, btw. (It'll usually be pretty darn obvious, otherwise)

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-14-2012 03:35 AM

I see what you are saying, excuse me. I was not objecting to your literalness. I honestly did not understand you. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The answer to your question is that in free societies hate groups have the right to promote their bile. What should be apparent is that the good people should have the same right to combat them---and SHOULD combat them.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - d_olson27 - 03-14-2012 05:24 AM

Vampslord Wrote:

The same way moderate muslim never speak up against extremist. They just wont start bashing people of the same faith. They could end-up debunking themself.

Actually, the more sane people don't feel that they should have to answer for what the extremists do. They're not all working together, after all.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-14-2012 06:48 AM

But why not publicly oppose the extremists if they really ARE opposed to the extremists?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-14-2012 07:14 AM

Because every word the extremist spews, is always twisted to fit their propaganda

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - d_olson27 - 03-14-2012 07:21 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

But why not publicly oppose the extremists if they really ARE opposed to the extremists?

If they did that, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. Besides, most people don't want to be tied to extremists that they have no connection to other than a name. Publicly opposing everything extremists do creates that tie.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-14-2012 07:25 AM

Just what point are you trying to make Nasa?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-14-2012 09:30 AM

I am suggesting that if Christians oppose the Westboro then they should come out against them en masse. It does not imply support for gay marriage (which I am sure most of them oppose) but it would at least show support for basic human decency that funerals of AIDS victims should not be picketed.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-14-2012 01:24 PM

Make your mind up. One moment, WB has the right to any & every opinion & the next, you want us coming out en masse against them! Sheesh.
As a Christian, I support gay marriage, just not in church but it should not be possible for people who are not Christians to marry in Church, anyway. Apart from I totally do not understand why people who don't believe want to do that, especially now there's plenty of other places & ways to marry. Course, that's going by the 'definition' of Christian that includes actually believing the Bible, which is getting surprisingly debateable but I digress.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-14-2012 08:12 PM

My point is that Westboro has the legal right to advocate for their philosophy, regardless of whether I agree with it or not. Their right to expression ought to end at the tip of other people's noses. The Court should have limited their right to protest to public figures.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-14-2012 08:46 PM

Well, you're welcome to your opinion, doubtless, too but I totally don't understand it! That's fine, it's just impossible to bridge the gulf between that & my POV/ perspective & so on. I'll give WB the benefit of the doubt, since I've no interest in wading through their nonsense & think they're seriously misguided & led astray, rather than full of hate. Apparently, they're banned here & I tend to agree with that decision, even if they are just misguided but any battle about that in the states will have to be left to those over there! Best wishes with it, though.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-14-2012 09:39 PM

They are indeed a hate group, much as I have been saying. My point has been made, and we agree.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-14-2012 11:52 PM

Nope, we 'agree to disagree'!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-15-2012 12:32 AM

Then you do not see it as a hate group when you just finished calling it a hate group?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-15-2012 03:21 AM

How on earth you manage to work that one out's a mystery! I clearly said I'll consider them misguided & what they say to be nonsense, whilst specifically saying that meant it wasn't hate! Incredible demonstration of making what I say mean the opposite, Nasa.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-15-2012 07:34 AM

We agree it is a hate group and that is enough fore

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-15-2012 07:36 AM

Enough for me.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-15-2012 09:37 AM

No, we don't. You're welcome to think it's a hate group, just stop making what I said mean the opposite, now, please.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-15-2012 09:41 AM

d_olson27 Wrote:

Vampslord Wrote:

The same way moderate muslim never speak up against extremist. They just wont start bashing people of the same faith. They could end-up debunking themself.

Actually, the more sane people don't feel that they should have to answer for what the extremists do. They're not all working together, after all.

& the extremists wouldn't/ don't listen to the moderates! Also, as d_o said, if muslim/ christian/ whatever mods were to do that, it'd take up all our/ their time, sadly. You do get them denouncing such stuff in general terms, though. Sorry about that!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-15-2012 07:38 PM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

But why not publicly oppose the extremists if they really ARE opposed to the extremists?

My point exactly. They never do. And the reason is simple, The same argument they would use against them could also be hold against themself.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-15-2012 11:15 PM

That question has been answered, as best we can. How would any argument against such extremist Christians be used against, say, me, then? Go on, do explain,. please. Thanks!

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-16-2012 01:23 AM

Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes actions speak louder than arguments.

Vampslord Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:

But why not publicly oppose the extremists if they really ARE opposed to the extremists?

My point exactly. They never do. And the reason is simple, The same argument they would use against them could also be hold against themself.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-16-2012 01:58 AM

Poker Face.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-16-2012 03:21 AM

By saying stuff like: "what they do is not in the bible/qu'ran/Torah/whatever" while in fact it is.
Do you promote homophobia? No? Why not, it's in the bible.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-16-2012 09:25 AM

Who, me? I don't promote any "phobia." Fear is the mind killer, quoting Dune.

Vampslord Wrote:

By saying stuff like: "what they do is not in the bible/qu'ran/Torah/whatever" while in fact it is.
Do you promote homophobia? No? Why not, it's in the bible.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-16-2012 09:39 AM

Vampslord Wrote:

By saying stuff like: "what they do is not in the bible/qu'ran/Torah/whatever" while in fact it is.
Do you promote homophobia? No? Why not, it's in the bible.

Quote the scripture that says I'm to hate homosexuals? Do you not realize Christians are supposed to hate the sin whilst loving the sinner? Before a person becomes a Christian, it makes no sense trying to make them adopt Christian morality! You think homosexuality is supposed to be 'worse' in Christian terms than all other sex outside marriage? Whilst non-believers can't get married, in Christian terms! Surprising ignorance, frankly

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-16-2012 05:18 PM

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 03-16-2012 07:35 PM

I will comment on the first two.  The Hebrew Bible did indeed limit marriage to heterosexual couples.  A lot of that seemed to have to do with reproduction, and Jewish survival in what has admittedly been a hostile world.  I still maintain that the Sodom narrative was one about contempt for the poor and needy, not about homosexuality as such.  At no point does the Hebrew Bible fixate on sex.  That is more of a Christian west fixation.  (Jesus himself as a Jew did not fixate on that so much)  There is not a lot in the Hebrew Bible about gays or sex, although Talmudic literature does take a very restrictive stance on those subjects.

In the case of Paul, he was operating in a Greco-Roman context.  That meant that he was dealing with a culture that, like modern culture, was split between old fashioned Roman Republican Puritans who abhorred homosexuality as a Greek influence and the new Roman culture that was embracing it (along with other Greek ideas).  My theory is that Paul wanted to align with the culturally conservative values of the Roman Republic in its waning days.  He did not want to identify much as a Jew, nor would he want to embrace Greek ideas, both of which would offend conservative sensibilities.  For Romans of the First Century, Judaism, Christianity, Greek culture, and homosexuality were all "corrupting influences on the young" who were falling for those things in record numbers.

My opinion, and my opinion merely, is that much of the attempt to make Jesus "God" had to do with fitting in to pagan culture in which Monotheism was considered strange and abhorrent.  By making Jesus "God's Equal" in the tradition of Greek mystery religions, albeit in a conservative sense without other Greek influences, it may be that Paul was hoping to break ground.  But, I am not scholar so I will cease at this point.  The preceding was opinion merely since I have no deep background to say.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - BruceCM - 03-16-2012 07:49 PM

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
Detestable ACT. Exactly. The same penalty for adultery, though.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Vampslord - 03-17-2012 04:40 AM

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions

Passions. The mere act of wanting.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - ivanova-aspie - 03-31-2012 08:19 AM

Nasa Shill Wrote:

Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

i live in Washington so it take me a lot of money that i don't have to go to the state they live in to go protest them but if i ever so them protesting in Washington i would found them and protest aginest them. and your right Jesus did not focus on that issue a lot. he was more for telling people to serve others. and love others not banning homosexuals. not sure what to make of Paul.

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Genesis - 03-31-2012 08:34 AM

ivanova-aspie Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:

Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

What about the apostle Paul?

RE: Westboro Baptis Parodies Lady GaGa's Poker Face - Nasa Shill - 04-01-2012 09:25 PM

Genesis Wrote:

ivanova-aspie Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:

Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

What about the apostle Paul?

I never met him. Cannot say!