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Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-09-2009 04:41 AM
This was inspired by another thread which got off-topic.
Sometimes moderators and members have a difference of opinion and the mod makes a mistake. When is it appropriate to ban someone? http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=16812
Other times it really is a troll and he’s making people very unhappy.
This is the on-line version of an issue that is common in a lot of places.
Someone on another thread talked about being in an Aspie group home with a character who is abusive and intimidating, and the manager uses his AS as an excuse for his behavior. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106955.html
I’m sure everyone can think of examples of times when someone had to make a judgment call.
Obviously, Aspergers itself is not the cause of someone’s aggression. But a lot of us have other issues along side the AS. Some people have temporal lobe seizures, some have problems finding the right medication, there can be any number of causes, and punishment is not the answer to any of them.
“Your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins.”
But is it possible to keep the wimpy people safe and comfortable, and at the same time give the aggressive person a chance to connect and maybe learn a few social skills?
Trolls are an important part of the picture, whether we like it or not.
Kicking him out won’t teach the troll anything. He’ll just go and bother someone else.
Of all places, an Aspie site should figure out a way. If we can’t handle it in a place like AFF or WP, how can we expect the rest of the world to figure it out?
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How does banning work around here? Is it forever, or is it for a specific time?
Here is my feeble suggestion, submitted for your approval.
If anyone can think of other ideas, I’m all ears.
Create a new rank/category for people on “probation.” Limit these members to one certain forum, and limit their private massages to moderators and specific friends. (AFF has “buddy/ignore lists,” but I can’t figure out how to use them.)
Threads in the designated Troll forum would not show up on “Latest Threads” list. If the regular members don’t want to go there, they can ignore it completely.
From there, the Administrator can figure out specific rules for when the member can come back from probation or whether he should be banned, and for how long.
This way, people who have been banished by mistake can try to clear up any misunderstandings. And the people who have been banished for good reason can still have contact with those who don’t mind too much, and maybe someone can explain a few things to the troll.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - m2 - 09-09-2009 05:34 AM
How does banning work around here? Is it forever, or is it for a specific time?
I got banned for 2 weeks. Then I got banned forever. I am on my last life after asking for one more chance.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - couldbecousin - 09-09-2009 05:39 AM
Sometimes moderators and members have a difference of opinion and the mod makes a mistake. When is it appropriate to ban someone? http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=16812
IMO, when he posts things like his last posts in
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=4458
and
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=15108
This is the on-line version of an issue that is common in a lot of places.
Someone on another thread talked about being in an Aspie group home with a character who is abusive and intimidating, and the manager uses his AS as an excuse for his behavior. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106955.html
I’m sure everyone can think of examples of times when someone had to make a judgment call.
Obviously, Aspergers itself is not the cause of someone’s aggression. But a lot of us have other issues along side the AS. Some people have temporal lobe seizures, some have problems finding the right medication, there can be any number of causes, and punishment is not the answer to any of them.
“Your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins.”
But is it possible to keep the wimpy people safe and comfortable, and at the same time give the aggressive person a chance to connect and maybe learn a few social skills?
Trolls are an important part of the picture, whether we like it or not.
Kicking him out won’t teach the troll anything. He’ll just go and bother someone else.
Of all places, an Aspie site should figure out a way. If we can’t handle it in a place like AFF or WP, how can we expect the rest of the world to figure it out?
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How does banning work around here? Is it forever, or is it for a specific time?
Here is my feeble suggestion, submitted for your approval.
If anyone can think of other ideas, I’m all ears.
Create a new rank/category for people on “probation.” Limit these members to one certain forum, and limit their private massages to moderators and specific friends. (AFF has “buddy/ignore lists,” but I can’t figure out how to use them.)
Threads in the designated Troll forum would not show up on “Latest Threads” list. If the regular members don’t want to go there, they can ignore it completely.
From there, the Administrator can figure out specific rules for when the member can come back from probation or whether he should be banned, and for how long.
This way, people who have been banished by mistake can try to clear up any misunderstandings. And the people who have been banished for good reason can still have contact with those who don’t mind too much, and maybe someone can explain a few things to the troll.
Bans here can be temporary or permanent, depending on the reason for the banning. I will ceratinly ask Gareth whether he thinks I banned "the other guy" unfairly, and I understand your wanting to give socially awkward/unintentionally offensive new members a fair chance to clear up misunderstandings, but..."the other guy" made a cruel remark about "freak retard" babies and said he would "force a cure on all you moronic, apathetic, anti-cure fucks." This is not someone who was kicked out for being a little rough around the edges. This is someone who came in spewing hatred and looking for a fight. Not every troll needs, deserves or even wants our love, nor is every troll entitled to stay here insulting any or all of us while we play social worker and try to teach him to "connect" and "learn a few social skills."
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Pakrat - 09-09-2009 07:13 AM
Yes, we certainly don't need such horrible comments on this or any other forum. There is a big difference between somebody who is a bit socially inept or genuinely misinformed and one who probably knows quite well what they are doing and is only going around wanting to upset people. The above example is something we don't don't want here and no doubt many complained about such comments.
As for WP, I was banned a year ago and still don't know exactly why. I recently asked if I could be reinstated, at least to read my private messages (which I still get notified about now and then), but have little faith that I will get a reply. I don't think Alex is even aware I am banned. Two of the mods were very heavy-handed and most of my friends were banned too. There is now a new mod who is far more reasonable and would give a proper warning if any comments were out of line instead of going on the offensive right away and arbitrarily slapping on a ban.
I guess, watch this space for further news.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-09-2009 07:31 AM
Ok, so would my idea help at all?
Was it not understood?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - couldbecousin - 09-09-2009 07:40 AM
Was it not understood?
I have mentioned this thread to Gareth, since he is the site owner and would be the one to decide whether to try this plan. 
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-09-2009 07:58 AM
I didn't expect anyone to jump and do it right away. I don't even know whether it would work with this forum/software/system/whatever you call it.
I just want to kick some ideas around and figure out what might help. It's really more an issue for WP, but it would probably be easier to experiment in a newer place like AFF.
I'm thinking along the lines of the-rich-get-richer-and-the-poor-get-poorer. The type of person most likely to be banished is probably the very person who has the most need for a place like this.
Kind of like being booted off of the island of misfit toys.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ZodRau - 09-09-2009 08:17 AM
Kicking him out won’t teach the troll anything. He’ll just go and bother someone else.
Of all places, an Aspie site should figure out a way. If we can’t handle it in a place like AFF or WP, how can we expect the rest of the world to figure it out?
I disagree. Trolls are not important, and the point of a ban is not to teach - it is to remove the disruption. No need for any probationary period. These boards are clearly moderated. A warning should suffice.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-09-2009 09:55 AM
I agree with ZodRau on this one...we don't need trolls here creating a disturbance.
Selena
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-09-2009 11:32 AM
Kicking him out won’t teach the troll anything. He’ll just go and bother someone else.
Of all places, an Aspie site should figure out a way. If we can’t handle it in a place like AFF or WP, how can we expect the rest of the world to figure it out?
I disagree. Trolls are not important, and the point of a ban is not to teach - it is to remove the disruption. No need for any probationary period. These boards are clearly moderated. A warning should suffice.
Bingo
The individual in question here was not merely expressing their opinion but causing disruption and almost seemed to be actively aiming to insult lots of people.
I would have to heavily disagree with this. By definition, a troll is not here for any beneficial reasons, and can only disrupt. We could argue over whether "That other guy" was trolling on purpose or if they were just overly hostile, but the end result is the same - we don't want people like that here.
Should a random curebie want to have a civilised discussion, they're welcome to post here, but I must emphasise the word "civilised".
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-09-2009 11:52 AM
...I'd hardly call AFF new, it's five years old now.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-09-2009 12:35 PM
AFF's domain name is 1 month newer than wrongplanet.net
But the group itself isn't - we started at roughly the same time.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Ana54 - 09-09-2009 01:48 PM
The rich always get richer and the poor always get poorer. Yet the poor are the most in need. It isn't fair. It's that way with love and respect everywhere. Most of the time I am one of the poor.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-09-2009 02:13 PM
It'd be more accurate to say that the rich, if they don't lose their wealth, will tend to get richer due to having capital to invest, while the poor will get poorer if they get into debt and/or do not aim higher.
Throw out your credit cards, avoid loans, save up when you can, and keep aiming to increase your income and your general trend will be towards getting richer rather than poorer. If on the other hand you do nothing to increase your total wealth, then inflation and debts will make you lose more and more of it.
There are different kinds of respect, the kind which has to be earned, and the more basic kind which everyone has when in decent company. The latter can only be lost through your own behaviour, and the former can be gained through your works.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-10-2009 06:22 AM
Sorry. I thought it felt newer. It has a newer feel. A less harsh attitude? More tolerant? I don't know how to describe it, or whether it’s just me.
Throw out your credit cards, avoid loans, save up when you can, and keep aiming to increase your income and your general trend will be towards getting richer rather than poorer. If on the other hand you do nothing to increase your total wealth, then inflation and debts will make you lose more and more of it.
You’re kidding, right? Joking or smoking? My comment was intended as an analogy, but if you insist... The phrase you’re looking for is, “Let them eat cake.” (I wrote you a two-page rant, then I tossed it. You’re welcome.) I think it was Will Durant who pretty much summed it up by saying, “Laws are always beneficial to those who own and injurious to those who do not.”
That would be a part of the “should be” world. Let’s all hold hands and think happy thoughts and maybe it’ll happen tomorrow.
Meanwhile, in the real world, decent company is hard to find. In many circles, basic respect is initially given, until they can think of an excuse to take it away. It doesn’t have to make sense, and the official rules are not relevant. To maintain your place, you need to kiss the correct butts in the correct manner, AND you need to kick the correct butts in the correct manner. And that’s just to tread water.
The earned kind of respect is usually not earned by good works or ethical behavior. For the most part, like any other commodity, it is taken, by force or by fraud.
Even in decent company, there’s plenty of room for errors and misunderstandings.
I am always amazed at how easily good people fall for gossip and other nonsense.
I haven’t seen it in AFF, but I know that it’s easy to get a false conviction from any group.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Chamuel - 09-10-2009 06:32 AM
Good analogy Ana.
I agree with Galinda, although I really hate the use of the word whimpy!!!!!!
I am so disappointed to see m2 is banned again. I don't know the reasons.
I suppose it depends how you define Troll. Someone who only ever posts that are aimed clearly to annoy needs to be banned permanently.
Someone who generally is okay but has the odd bout of misbehaviour should only be banned for a short time, with increasing lengths added each time a ban is necessary.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-10-2009 06:40 AM
Or restricted to a dungeon so that those who don't mind can visit.
I don't know how the technology would work.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Chamuel - 09-10-2009 06:58 AM
^ that would be great technology if it could work.
I guess your avatar is the wicked witch of the west. She has a beautiful expression.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-10-2009 10:42 AM
Take my word when I say; it's for a very good reason.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - 4n20tarzan - 09-10-2009 11:53 AM
Sorry. I thought it felt newer. It has a newer feel. A less harsh attitude? More tolerant? I don't know how to describe it, or whether it’s just me.
Throw out your credit cards, avoid loans, save up when you can, and keep aiming to increase your income and your general trend will be towards getting richer rather than poorer. If on the other hand you do nothing to increase your total wealth, then inflation and debts will make you lose more and more of it.
You’re kidding, right? Joking or smoking? My comment was intended as an analogy, but if you insist... The phrase you’re looking for is, “Let them eat cake.” (I wrote you a two-page rant, then I tossed it. You’re welcome.) I think it was Will Durant who pretty much summed it up by saying, “Laws are always beneficial to those who own and injurious to those who do not.”
That would be a part of the “should be” world. Let’s all hold hands and think happy thoughts and maybe it’ll happen tomorrow.
Meanwhile, in the real world, decent company is hard to find. In many circles, basic respect is initially given, until they can think of an excuse to take it away. It doesn’t have to make sense, and the official rules are not relevant. To maintain your place, you need to kiss the correct butts in the correct manner, AND you need to kick the correct butts in the correct manner. And that’s just to tread water.
The earned kind of respect is usually not earned by good works or ethical behavior. For the most part, like any other commodity, it is taken, by force or by fraud.
Even in decent company, there’s plenty of room for errors and misunderstandings.
I am always amazed at how easily good people fall for gossip and other nonsense.
I haven’t seen it in AFF, but I know that it’s easy to get a false conviction from any group.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-10-2009 03:47 PM
???
Did you have something to say?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Lunacie - 09-10-2009 04:16 PM
I'be been part of different forums for about 9 years now and have learned a lot about the way people communicate. I've been involved in flame wars and disagreements that could have led to flame wars but when at least one person takes a moment to try to clarify what they were trying to say or takes a moment to ask for a clarification from the other person instead of making assumptions - wars have been averted.
And then sometimes you run into someone who just rubs you the wrong way at every turn, or who seems to be annoyed by everything you write. Best to just ignore that person, which is a skill that I'm still working on after 9 years of practice.
I agree with whoever wrote that a real troll has trouble getting along with several people at different times - not just with one particular poster. Then it seems like a personality conflict rather than a real troll.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Marinovsky - 09-10-2009 06:33 PM
TROLLS HAVE NO PLACE ON http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-10-2009 07:35 PM
Yes they do.
It's called the ban list 
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Unknown - 09-10-2009 07:56 PM
Take my word when I say; it's for a very good reason.
I'm not surprised that he is banned again.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Unknown - 09-10-2009 07:59 PM
I just want to kick some ideas around and figure out what might help. It's really more an issue for WP, but it would probably be easier to experiment in a newer place like AFF.
I'm thinking along the lines of the-rich-get-richer-and-the-poor-get-poorer. The type of person most likely to be banished is probably the very person who has the most need for a place like this.
Kind of like being booted off of the island of misfit toys.
That is an interesting idea Galinda. IMO trolls lack basic social skills, and sometimes can gain better skills by visiting a forum like this provided they are extreme in annoying/upsetting people.
Clearly some of them are here to bother people, and that case warrants a permanent ban.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-10-2009 08:49 PM
Yes they do.
It's called the ban list
That or splattered over the banhammer......
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Ana54 - 09-10-2009 09:12 PM
Give them another chance. Redemption is tailor-made for the wretched.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-10-2009 10:46 PM
Some do not desrve it.
Like the troll who posted pics of infected vaginas here and at a later date posted a link to a Paedo site.
He deserved the banhammer online and off.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-10-2009 10:48 PM
I totally agree...TROLLS DO NOT HAVE A PLACE ON ANY FORUM AT ALL because all they do is create drama, annoy and upset people, people who troll on forums and the like have obviously don't have a life and need to get one....quickly!
Selena
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-10-2009 10:49 PM
Ana54: If you like trolls so much YOU deal with them and you'll most likely be dealing with them alone because not many people have time for internet trolls and maybe when one says the wrong thing to you you might change your tune so to speak.
Selena
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-10-2009 11:03 PM
Selena
You are half correct and half wrong.
Some trolls (alas not many) are harmless Bucktoothedfarmer is an example of this and also how they can turn nasty.
Also some disruptive members have been previously banned but come back and reformed.
Pika and I for example were both banned during some....,uh drama last year and we both came back here and now he's a moderator for christs sake! (Wheres mine Gareth! 
)
Also not sure if you realise but your post to Ana had quite a rude tone.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Unknown - 09-10-2009 11:19 PM
Selena
Ana54: I used to feel the same way about trolls. I was on one forum where everyone eventually got fed up with the troll, and me (with my caring self) was the only one who listened, and took time to be a friend to him. Eventually, he started asking for too much of my business, which I found creepy. After that, I blocked him and stopped speaking to him. After I stopped being bothered, he sent me this horrible, nasty, and insulting message. Ever since then, I realised that trolls are simply miserable, and their intentions are to hurt other people. Trolls thrive on being nasty, and making people upset when you don't give them what they want (feeding them).I'm not saying this is true of all trolls, but most of the time this is true.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Ana54 - 09-11-2009 02:19 AM
Do any of you remember when you were depressed? Do you remember when you could not think of a better way to get attention or revenge or avenge something or someone than to do something nasty? One, two or maybe three of you are starting to be like that now.
But it all comes down to this: Depression (which all bad feelings contain) is a hot potato that spreads from person to person. But the fact that that hot potato is there is nobody's fault.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Ana54 - 09-11-2009 02:19 AM
I mean; excuse me, it doesn't spread; it just jumps from person to person.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-11-2009 02:48 AM
Ana54: I've suffered depression since I was 11 years old and no I don't feel the need to troll on a forum when I've been depressed, I just tell people straight out and I generally don't feel the need to get nasty with anyone if I can help it.
Most trolls are a disruption and should be stopped!
Selena
But it all comes down to this: Depression (which all bad feelings contain) is a hot potato that spreads from person to person. But the fact that that hot potato is there is nobody's fault.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-11-2009 02:49 AM
I haven't met a harmless troll yet but then again I generally ignore their miserable existence.
Selena
Selena
Ana54: I used to feel the same way about trolls. I was on one forum where everyone eventually got fed up with the troll, and me (with my caring self) was the only one who listened, and took time to be a friend to him. Eventually, he started asking for too much of my business, which I found creepy. After that, I blocked him and stopped speaking to him. After I stopped being bothered, he sent me this horrible, nasty, and insulting message. Ever since then, I realised that trolls are simply miserable, and their intentions are to hurt other people. Trolls thrive on being nasty, and making people upset when you don't give them what they want (feeding them).I'm not saying this is true of all trolls, but most of the time this is true.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-11-2009 02:50 AM
It wasn't my intention to be rude to Ana but I don't see the sense in paying any attention to anyone whose trolling!
Selena
Selena
You are half correct and half wrong.
Some trolls (alas not many) are harmless Bucktoothedfarmer is an example of this and also how they can turn nasty.
Also some disruptive members have been previously banned but come back and reformed.
Pika and I for example were both banned during some....,uh drama last year and we both came back here and now he's a moderator for christs sake! (Wheres mine Gareth! )
Also not sure if you realise but your post to Ana had quite a rude tone.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-11-2009 03:02 AM
Trolling is not caused by depression, it's caused by immaturity.
A wise man once said that graffiti is the junction of ambition and incompetence, i'd apply the same to trolling.
(By the way, if you know just who that wise man is, you'll probably be smiling)
RE: Trolls need love, too. - CatLady79 - 09-11-2009 03:06 AM
I agree with you Gareth...you are exactly right most trolls are immaturem, probably bored and have no life.
Selena
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-11-2009 04:31 AM
You forgot ugly, smelly and disgusting.
Ok, that's pretty much the definition of a troll.
And is that a reason to build them up or tear them down?
I'm not sure that it should happen in places like this.
Just thinking out loud.
Maybe I should start a collection elsewhere.
Give me your tired, your poor... wretched...
But I think the venom is a little out of proportion.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-11-2009 05:00 AM
You forgot ugly, smelly and disgusting.
Ok, that's pretty much the definition of a troll.
And is that a reason to build them up or tear them down?
I'm not sure that it should happen in places like this.
Just thinking out loud.
Maybe I should start a collection elsewhere.
Give me your tired, your poor... wretched...
But I think the venom is a little out of proportion.
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lulz!
Tell me, if you have a forum flooded with posts like this one how does that help anyone, and why should we allow such posts?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 05:04 AM
You forgot ugly, smelly and disgusting.
Ok, that's pretty much the definition of a troll.
And is that a reason to build them up or tear them down?
I'm not sure that it should happen in places like this.
Just thinking out loud.
Maybe I should start a collection elsewhere.
Give me your tired, your poor... wretched...
But I think the venom is a little out of proportion.
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lulz!
Tell me, if you have a forum flooded with posts like this one how does that help anyone, and why should we allow such posts?
Also, The Game.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-11-2009 05:06 AM
You just won the game!
Yay, don't worry - it's over. You can relax.
Actually, I don't find "the game" that annoying, unless it's spammed all over the place, but of course one of the rules is you must announce your loss.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 05:08 AM
Yay, don't worry - it's over. You can relax.
Actually, I don't find "the game" that annoying, unless it's spammed all over the place, but of course one of the rules is you must announce your loss.
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lolumad?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 05:12 AM
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Now imagine that spammed so damned much, it quite literally drowns out everything else.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-11-2009 05:51 AM
I have no idea what that means.
Not the whole forum. If there's no technological way to restrict them to a certain area, I wouldn't see it as helpful.
I'm still working on it.
Line and previous posts removed at request - Pika
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ZodRau - 09-11-2009 09:42 AM
Give me your tired, your poor... wretched...
But I think the venom is a little out of proportion.
Capital idea! You could start your own forum and call it "Trolls need love too" Totally unmoderated. Of course, it would eventually fill up with advertisements for shady online pharmaceutical identity theft operations, posted by spambots named Suzanne and Peter, and Beverly and Tom and Adam and Steve, but hey - spambots need love too. 
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 01:39 PM
I have no idea what that means.
DESU is a meme from a certain site which gets a lot of bad press.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-11-2009 02:44 PM
By the way.
I hate to be nit picky. Well, no I don't, I just hate to be perceived as nit picky.
Anyway, this abuse of the word, "literally," is driving me up the wall.
"Literally" is the opposite of "figuratively." The whole point of having the word is that we need a way to say, "Ok, everybody, hold the metaphores and exaggerations -- this is serious and straight-forward, I really mean for you to take this straight up, at face value -- LITERALLY."
In this case, when you use the word "drowning" with the word "literally," it means that someone is physically under water (or other liquid) and unable to breathe. One can not literally drown in spam. We have tons of words that mean super-dooper, extra zextra, out of the ordinary, extreme. We only have one honest little word that really means what it says.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 02:47 PM
By the way.
I hate to be nit picky. Well, no I don't, I just hate to be perceived as nit picky.
Anyway, this abuse of the word, "literally," is driving me up the wall.
"Literally" is the opposite of "figuratively." The whole point of having the word is that we need a way to say, "Ok, everybody, hold the metaphores and exaggerations -- this is serious and straight-forward, I really mean for you to take this straight up, at face value -- LITERALLY."
In this case, when you use the word "drowning" with the word "literally," it means that someone is physically under water (or other liquid) and unable to breathe. One can not literally drown in spam. We have tons of words that mean super-dooper, extra zextra, out of the ordinary, extreme. We only have one honest little word that really means what it says.
Verb
to drown (third-person singular simple present drowns, present participle drowning, simple past and past participle drowned)
1. (intransitive) To be suffocated in water or other fluid; to perish by such suffocation.
2. (transitive) To deprive of life by immersion in water or other liquid.
3. (transitive) To overwhelm in water; to submerge; to inundate.
4. (transitive) To overpower; to overcome; to extinguish; — said especially of sound; usually in the form "to drown out"
5. (transitive) To lose, make hard to find or unnoticeable in an abundant mass
Pardon?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-11-2009 02:59 PM
Your 4th and 5th definitions are figurative.
When you use the word, "literally," you limit yourself to the first three.
That's the whole point of having the word. It means something. Really.
Next week's lesson: pronoun abuse and the singular "they."
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 03:01 PM
Adverb
literally (not comparable)
1. In a literal sense, word for word; not as an idiom or metaphor.
Schadenfreude literally means "shameful joy".
When my sewing kit fell off the barn loft, I literally had to look for a needle in a haystack.
2. (proscribed) just, simply
1. (as an intensifier used with idioms and metaphors; the opposite of the preceding sense) really
* 1827: Sir Walter Scott, Chronicles of the Canongate
The house was literally electrified; and it was only from witnessing the effects of her genius that he could guess to what a pitch theatrical excellence could be carried.
* 1894: Arthur Conan Doyle, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes.
...at a time when Europe was ringing with his name and when his room was literally ankle-deep with congratulatory telegrams...
* 1993: Wayne W. Dyer, Real Magic, p.193
You literally become the ball in a tennis match, you become the report that you are working on ...
2. (British)(colloquial) (As a generic intensifier)
* I was literally exhausted.
3. (British)(colloquial) (As a generic downtoner)
* You literally put it in the microwave for five minutes and it's done.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - windy - 09-11-2009 03:22 PM
literally (not comparable)
1. In a literal sense, word for word; not as an idiom or metaphor.
Schadenfreude literally means "shameful joy".
When my sewing kit fell off the barn loft, I literally had to look for a needle in a haystack.
2. (proscribed) just, simply
1. (as an intensifier used with idioms and metaphors; the opposite of the preceding sense) really
* 1827: Sir Walter Scott, Chronicles of the Canongate
The house was literally electrified; and it was only from witnessing the effects of her genius that he could guess to what a pitch theatrical excellence could be carried.
* 1894: Arthur Conan Doyle, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes.
...at a time when Europe was ringing with his name and when his room was literally ankle-deep with congratulatory telegrams...
* 1993: Wayne W. Dyer, Real Magic, p.193
You literally become the ball in a tennis match, you become the report that you are working on ...
2. (British)(colloquial) (As a generic intensifier)
* I was literally exhausted.
3. (British)(colloquial) (As a generic downtoner)
* You literally put it in the microwave for five minutes and it's done.
These kinds of back and forth are one of my FAVORITE things about this forum.
I love language.
I agree with Galinda, in general with the overuse of literally (in society) not necessarily with pikas usage as I have never noticed it with him before...
I think saying literally - typing it, I would use parenthesis (as I do often) and I might have said,
She literally (in the transitive sense) felt like she was drowning in paperwork.
On the other topic - I don't feel/think there is any particular venom in just contributing about trolls in general. not being specific about a person - just a concept. but that is just me.
I love the humor in "give me your tired your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free, the wretched refuse of your teaming shores..."
(I am now singing this out loud - (literally) or proscribed? (now I am confused! LOL) loudly.
Let's have some fun y'all!
Peace.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-11-2009 03:47 PM
I do agree with Galinda - the word has strayed from it's proper usage however in British use of the word, it is used to stress a point - and it's our language, so we can mangle it how we please
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-11-2009 04:46 PM
ZOMFG
KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE KILL IT WITH FIRE
Is another common term 
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Ana54 - 09-12-2009 07:07 AM
So I guess you all think I'm stupid.
Btw, people who troll the trolls aren't much better.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Chamuel - 09-12-2009 10:28 AM
Btw, people who troll the trolls aren't much better.
Stupid people aren't wise enough to make comments like that ^
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Marinovsky - 09-12-2009 08:57 PM
Yes they do.
It's called the ban list
Perhaps, I have never noticed existence of trolls on AFF because moderators work very well here.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-12-2009 09:58 PM
When I was eight years old, I learned the hard way why one should not jump in the water to help someone who is in a full panic. She was about my size, it was only a couple of feet from the dock... what could possibly go wrong?
Even in the middle of it all, I was amazed by her agility and super-human strength. I was less than thrilled about the situation, but didn’t happen to see a way out of it. And she didn’t seem to be in a mood to discuss alternatives. I was also amazed by the stupid kids on the dock who watched and did nothing.
Eventually the life guard came by and pushed us over to the dock. The girl scrambled up in the blink of an eye, while I was so exhausted that I just slid back in and had to be lifted out of the water.
Yes, I am chronically naive, a bleeding heart, and I've had to learn that lesson over and over, in many different contexts. I think I get it now. Well, no, I don’t understand it, and I never will. At least I understand that one must be on solid ground before reaching out to help someone like that, preferably by throwing a line rather than taking a personal risk.
I also get the concept of putting on your own oxygen mask first. But once you’re settled, you can afford to help others. Most of the time, you can afford it.
People who are in over their heads and in panic mode tend to be very unattractive. I still think they're worth reaching, when possible.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Marcia - 09-12-2009 10:35 PM
I get what you are saying, Galinda Arduenna, and agree that we should all try to reach out to and help people when we can, no matter how unattractive they seem.
Part of the problem may be in how a "troll" is defined. I usually take it to mean someone who posts annoying or offensive gibberish with the sole intention of causing disruption and upset. I tend to imagine these trolls as teenage boys having a laugh and then moving on to their next target.
I have also seen people called a "troll" and banned for other more complex behaviours. Sometimes I think people should be given more of a chance to explain themselves, their situation and background. If someone's ideas and statements are disruptive, then that's not necessarily a bad thing, and they shouldn't necessarily be silenced, but rather talked with.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-13-2009 07:41 AM
If that's all, then the kid probably won't be back anyway. You can just delete the offensive post and forget it.
The ones who come back and do it several times obviously have issues. We have no way of knowing what those issues are. They certainly don't understand their own motives, and couldn't tell you if they wanted to.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-13-2009 01:14 PM
If that's all, then the kid probably won't be back anyway. You can just delete the offensive post and forget it.
The ones who come back and do it several times obviously have issues. We have no way of knowing what those issues are. They certainly don't understand their own motives, and couldn't tell you if they wanted to.
A real world example of one particular troll we had:
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That was flooded in replies to every thread, as new threads, all over the place.
Should we have banned the guy, or let him stay around?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-13-2009 01:14 PM
If that's all, then the kid probably won't be back anyway. You can just delete the offensive post and forget it.
The ones who come back and do it several times obviously have issues. We have no way of knowing what those issues are. They certainly don't understand their own motives, and couldn't tell you if they wanted to.
A real world example of one particular troll we had:
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That was flooded in replies to every thread, as new threads, all over the place.
Should we have banned the guy, or let him stay around?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-13-2009 01:15 PM
If that's all, then the kid probably won't be back anyway. You can just delete the offensive post and forget it.
The ones who come back and do it several times obviously have issues. We have no way of knowing what those issues are. They certainly don't understand their own motives, and couldn't tell you if they wanted to.
A real world example of one particular troll we had:
ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO ATOMIKPSYCHO
That was flooded in replies to every thread, as new threads, all over the place.
Should we have banned the guy, or let him stay around?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-13-2009 03:55 PM
If the technology would allow it, I would confine him to a certain forum.
Purgatory? Time Out? Dystopia? Troll Country? The Bad Lands? The Final Frontier?
Mods can delete the crap at your leisure. Explanations and apologies are optional.
I'm trying to ask a friend how or if it would work (CubeDemon, are you here yet?) but I don't think he understands the first round of question yet. The next round of questions would include how to keep the Google slurp spider thingies and non-members out of the Troll forum but let them into the main, public forums.
Sub-forums might include:
Town Hall: Get out your soap box and trash the systems, big & small. Make as much noise as you like and chain yourself to the front door. This is the place for complaints about this site, your school, global politics, whatever.
Pity City: It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. Why does everyone hate me and what can I do about it?
Diagnosis: For medical and psychiatric questions and answers. Warning -- big, intimidating words that actually mean something. You will be expected to provide links to back up your claims.
Randomness: You get to post anything you want, and we get to delete anything we don't like.
====================
OR MAYBE --
Some forums are set up so that posts from new members must be approved by a moderator before they are visible to the public. Maybe someone on probation could keep that status forever.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Unknown - 09-13-2009 04:08 PM
This sounds very well thought of Galinda, maybe then, the troll will get bored and leave.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-13-2009 04:13 PM
Just one simple question:
Why the hell should we waste diskspace and bandwidth on people who are here solely to disrupt?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - couldbecousin - 09-13-2009 04:26 PM
Why the hell should we waste diskspace and bandwidth on people who are here solely to disrupt?
I think the word "solely" is the key really...anyone can have a bad day and "lose it" online, but someone whose posts from Day One are hostile and insulting to the site and its members is not entitled to stay and continue his attacks.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-13-2009 04:31 PM
Why the hell should we waste diskspace and bandwidth on people who are here solely to disrupt?
I think the word "solely" is the key really...anyone can have a bad day and "lose it" online, but someone whose posts from Day One are hostile and insulting to the site and its members is not entitled to stay and continue his attacks.
Hence why people get numerous second chances if they appear to be capable of and/or willing to behave reasonably. But, some people are obviously not going to be able to behave sensibly.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - windy - 09-13-2009 05:19 PM
Yes, those suggestions were/are quite intersting and well though out.
I beliebe Galinda mentioned someday (or was it someone else) hosting her own site or blog or something.
I don't think people realize the cost of hositng a site and that bandwidth is counted and I believe there is a charge for overages now.
Also, As amrica said, I agree people need to be udnerstood instead of misunderstood, perhaps helped.
As GAreth annoyingly showed - a brandy new poster just posting/spamming is a waste.
Quite good, the mods here are, I agree I think many (real obvious trolls) are gone before we even see them...
I also agree the mods are pretty human (unlike the bot experiment) and give people many a second chance for understanding.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - windy - 09-13-2009 05:20 PM
I beliebe Galinda mentioned someday (or was it someone else) hosting her own site or blog or something.
I don't think people realize the cost of hositng a site and that bandwidth is counted and I believe there is a charge for overages now.
Also, As amrica said, I agree people need to be udnerstood instead of misunderstood, perhaps helped.
As Gareth annoyingly showed - a brandy new poster just posting/spamming is a waste.
Quite good, the mods here are, I agree I think many (real obvious trolls) are gone before we even see them...
I also agree the mods are pretty human and nice (imagine that) and give people many a second chance for understanding.
edited typo.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Unknown - 09-13-2009 05:35 PM
I didn't know that you could be charged for bandwidths.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-13-2009 05:42 PM
I think Galindas idea should be saved for members who have a problem with each other.
As for trolls ..... squish 'em.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-13-2009 05:46 PM
Just thinking.
I know of a site that's pretty much abandoned that I could probably take over.
I just need to figure out what's possible and what I want.
How do you create a "probation" rank and confine such people to certain forums?
All these geek/admin questions give me a headache.
Would this system allow Gareth to create a Troll city here?
Can a moderator's tools be limited to a certain form?
I imagine it would be kind of like changing diapers in an institution.
If I go elsewhere, would AFF and WP send me their rejects, and would they come?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-13-2009 06:28 PM
Just thinking.
I know of a site that's pretty much abandoned that I could probably take over.
I just need to figure out what's possible and what I want.
How do you create a "probation" rank and confine such people to certain forums?
All these geek/admin questions give me a headache.
Would this system allow Gareth to create a Troll city here?
Can a moderator's tools be limited to a certain form?
I imagine it would be kind of like changing diapers in an institution.
If I go elsewhere, would AFF and WP send me their rejects, and would they come?
I think that maybe you should set up a Forum on Proboards (Tis free)
And if you do wish to reform trolls then make sure you have plenty of admins and moderators.
I respect your compassion for others and as a Half-Troll I am amazed your courage.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Gareth - 09-13-2009 09:36 PM
Just thinking.
I know of a site that's pretty much abandoned that I could probably take over.
I just need to figure out what's possible and what I want.
How do you create a "probation" rank and confine such people to certain forums?
All these geek/admin questions give me a headache.
Would this system allow Gareth to create a Troll city here?
Can a moderator's tools be limited to a certain form?
I imagine it would be kind of like changing diapers in an institution.
If I go elsewhere, would AFF and WP send me their rejects, and would they come?
I wish you luck, lots of luck - because you'll need it. Personally I think you're naive to think that trolls are even interested in "being reformed", but go for it.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - windy - 09-13-2009 09:37 PM
Just thinking.
I know of a site that's pretty much abandoned that I could probably take over.
I just need to figure out what's possible and what I want.
How do you create a "probation" rank and confine such people to certain forums?
All these geek/admin questions give me a headache.
Would this system allow Gareth to create a Troll city here?
Can a moderator's tools be limited to a certain form?
I imagine it would be kind of like changing diapers in an institution.
If I go elsewhere, would AFF and WP send me their rejects, and would they come?
I think that maybe you should set up a Forum on Proboards (Tis free)
And if you do wish to reform trolls then make sure you have plenty of admins and moderators.
I respect your compassion for others and as a Half-Troll I am amazed your courage.
Ditto. on the compassion. (Tis easy to love those who are easy to love, in my religion, I am told to love those who are hardest to love- now that is accepting/love )
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 09-13-2009 09:56 PM
Of course they're not. They have no idea what they want.
It's like someone with a weak-or-absent-father syndrome. It's hard to grow up when you've never met a grown up. They get a distorted idea of how things work.
People who have received nothing but abuse can have a difficult time figuring out how to be civil, or even why they should want to.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - ῦ - 09-13-2009 10:24 PM
Of course they're not. They have no idea what they want.
It's like someone with a weak-or-absent-father syndrome. It's hard to grow up when you've never met a grown up. They get a distorted idea of how things work.
People who have received nothing but abuse can have a difficult time figuring out how to be civil, or even why they should want to.
All well, and good, but what about those who do it for teh lulz?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-13-2009 11:32 PM
Of course they're not. They have no idea what they want.
It's like someone with a weak-or-absent-father syndrome. It's hard to grow up when you've never met a grown up. They get a distorted idea of how things work.
People who have received nothing but abuse can have a difficult time figuring out how to be civil, or even why they should want to.
All well, and good, but what about those who do it for teh lulz?
XD
anyways I second this question.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Flardox - 09-15-2009 11:05 PM
*BUMP*
RE: Trolls need love, too. - TheRainGirl - 09-16-2009 12:24 AM
Of course they're not. They have no idea what they want.
It's like someone with a weak-or-absent-father syndrome. It's hard to grow up when you've never met a grown up. They get a distorted idea of how things work.
People who have received nothing but abuse can have a difficult time figuring out how to be civil, or even why they should want to.
But what about those who live with another grown up, apart from father? I do know though, that boys can take it harder than girls if they don't have a father figure. I didn't have a father (he was irresponsible and violent, who kept needing to change his identity), but luckily had a mother who took on the roles of both father and mother.
I got abuse from my father when he did show up, so my mum tried to get us as far away as possible from him. Luckily, she gave me enough praise to cover the mental abuse.
If you grow up in an environment with only this behaviour though (example: a lot of crime and a violent family at the same time, with no experience of anything else), it can turn into the same behaviour as the environment in which you were raised. My dad grew up in a lovely home environment but hated his younger sister taking the attention from him, so he grew up intolerant to society and 'flaming' anyone who contradicted him . (Mum says I would've grown up worse with him around, which is true ).
RE: Trolls need love, too. - EarlPurple - 10-25-2009 05:16 PM
When I finally joined this forum after weeks of being locked out by "no new registrations" I posted a topic on a similar subject. I saw lots of genuine posts by people with the word "banned" under them and wondered why so many people were being banned.
As an aspie I know what bannings mean. Many of us have suffered them at various points in life by people who don't tolerate our different behaviour. It is often harder for those who are more "advanced" in the spectrum, i.e. it is not so obvious when you meet us that we are not "normal". Then when we behave in a way that is not conceived as normal we are seen as being "rude" or "disruptive".
I also once purposely "trashed" a forum about 10 years ago because nobody was replying to my topics, and I couldn't see why mine kept disappearing off the page with 0 replies whereas other stupid topics were getting replies. That was on a music board forum. I had come onto that board in its early stages when people genuinely discussed music a lot and then it turned into a "social" place and I did not fit in and my topics were just continuously ignored, and when they started appointing users as moderators I was always overlooked even though I had been there longer than any of the others so felt I had a right.
This is all still when I didn't even know for certain I had aspergers although this suggestion had been "proposed" back in 1992, but didn't really hit in full-force until all my problems of 2001+.
A lot of the time in real life, I know I have acted "disruptively" and in an anti-social manner but that was simply because I always feel I am being overlooked and I am sort of shouting "notice me!".
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Aspieration - 01-04-2010 12:33 PM
Galinda Arduenna has a good idea. Create a place for trolls so they don't rag those who don't want it, and innocents don't end up in Old Sparky, (banned for life).
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Duckfetishgirl - 12-27-2010 05:46 AM
dtx needs love
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Galinda Arduenna - 12-29-2010 10:28 AM
What's dtx?
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Duckfetishgirl - 12-29-2010 10:35 AM
The name of a banned member.
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Kapkao - 12-29-2010 04:59 PM
No, he doesn't...
RE: Trolls need love, too. - Duckfetishgirl - 12-29-2010 08:32 PM
Kapkao needs a bath.