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Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 07:15 AM

In my area in Australia, our people STRONGLY believe in cultural diversity.  But, at school, I am everyone's victim.  They never call Africans 'n*****s' or Chinese people 'c**** - c****s' yet they call aspies 'spazzers' and 'mentalists' and so on.

My school (I'm still at school!) is full of people of many religious faiths (but I'm atheist) and they learn to accept each other.

They've learnt about cultural/religious diversity, but they don't pay ANY attention to the neurodiversity campaign I just set.

What's wrong with them?

If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 07:16 AM

Correction:  "I just set" should be "I just began" and remember, this is Australia, so you may be thinking differently.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-03-2009 11:02 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:
If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?


I think probably because they're scared.  They fear that which they don't understand, and they definitely don't understand our way of looking at the world.  Different races, colours, cultures, languages and religions all have a common basis in human experience up until now.  But we AS people have historically been ostacised from the group, or at best, tolerated for what we can give to the society we live within (or on the outskirts of!)
I wrote a story which has been published by Andromeda Spaceways and which I donated to the writer's area of this site, about the last Neurotypical human left on earth, and how frustrated he was with his lonely existence, even though there was a vibrant and energetic AS population living all around him.  I felt quite sorry for him, but still hope that this is what the future holds in store!
Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - micgrace - 01-03-2009 02:14 PM

spectrum_rights Wrote:
In my area in Australia, our people STRONGLY believe in cultural diversity.  But, at school, I am everyone's victim.  They never call Africans 'n*****s' or Chinese people 'c**** - c****s' yet they call aspies 'spazzers' and 'mentalists' and so on.

My school (I'm still at school!) is full of people of many religious faiths (but I'm atheist) and they learn to accept each other.

They've learnt about cultural/religious diversity, but they don't pay ANY attention to the neurodiversity campaign I just set.

What's wrong with them?

If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?

Thats a good point. Its illegal to discriminate against others based on race, religious beliefs etc but it certainly isn't if one is neuro atypical. (aspies/auties). Its one of the last areas of discrimination remaining and they take full advantage of the fact.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - ThomasW - 01-03-2009 07:30 PM

My guess is it's one of those things people will never, ever understand. I work at a place where it's just people like me - but I live in a smaller town where I also went to school and it's exactly the same as you told me. There is so much ignorance and intolerance over for people like me/us... At least in my situation. Lately I've begun to ignore it completely, on the contrary I've also gotten older and more open and social since then; so I don't know how much it counts now. But I can follow you completely.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 10:21 PM

I've just sent a letter to the Herald-Sun about it.  I wonder if they will publish it?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 10:25 PM

It's hard to believe that the law can accept cultural diversity, but they cannot accept neurodiversity.  I've sent letters to the Herald-Sun for many weeks now, waiting for my letters to be published.  None of them have.  I'm only 12!  I need another Aussie to do it for me. But can I rely on them?  It's a very hard choice to make.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 10:26 PM

spectrum_rights Wrote:
They never call Africans 'n*****s' or Chinese people 'c**** - c****s' yet they call aspies 'spazzers' and 'mentalists' and so on.


I forgot to tell you I'm the only aspie at school.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Gareth - 01-03-2009 10:39 PM

micgrace Wrote:

spectrum_rights Wrote:
In my area in Australia, our people STRONGLY believe in cultural diversity.  But, at school, I am everyone's victim.  They never call Africans 'n*****s' or Chinese people 'c**** - c****s' yet they call aspies 'spazzers' and 'mentalists' and so on.

My school (I'm still at school!) is full of people of many religious faiths (but I'm atheist) and they learn to accept each other.

They've learnt about cultural/religious diversity, but they don't pay ANY attention to the neurodiversity campaign I just set.

What's wrong with them?

If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?

Thats a good point. Its illegal to discriminate against others based on race, religious beliefs etc but it certainly isn't if one is neuro atypical. (aspies/auties). Its one of the last areas of discrimination remaining and they take full advantage of the fact.


Hence why we need to be declared a minority group


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 10:42 PM

That's the purpose of this thread!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Chamuel - 01-03-2009 10:57 PM

Where I live Asian people have to put up with racism, racism against Asians is pretty much endemic throughout society. People seem to know it is not appropriate to be openly racist towards people of darker skin (generally) but the racism against Asians needs addressing.

It helps weak and shallow people to feel better about themselves if they have someone they can denigrate or bully.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 11:02 PM

I live in an Australian citywhere over 200 languages are spoken, and they learn to accept each other.

I can be a very strange person sometimes:
* I was born in Australia.
* I never left Australia.
* My parents are Vietnamese/Chinese.
* I grew up in an Asian community where nobody is discriminated.
* I am an aspie.
* Everyone else at school is neurotypical.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-03-2009 11:03 PM

Correction:
"* I grew up in an Asian community where nobody is discriminated."

I'm being discriminated right now!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-04-2009 02:59 PM

I also remember being bullied by two public transport officers.  I just dropped my Metcard, and I said, "Oops, I'm so dumb," and they muttered "You are dumb."  Right in front of the public.  And we had a big argument, and I was just starting to enjoy it when Gran just told me to ignore them.  How could I ignore them?  Gareth said "Hence why we need to be declared a minority group."  He's right.  In Australia, we should be declared a minority group.  Defamed in public!  I'm so mad!  And that's not the end of the defamation I get.  To say something like that is called slander, but now that it's public, it's called libel.  I want to send a petition to the Victorian Parliament about all times I was defamed.

What I have done:
* Send hundreds of letters to the Herald-Sun.  FAILED.
* Pass a letter around the neighbourhood.  FAILED because Dad didn't allow me to.  This is what the letter said.
* Send a petition to the Victorian Parliament with 50+ signatures on it.  IN PROGRESS.
* Put an advertisement on YouTube.  IN PROGRESS.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-04-2009 03:23 PM

All talk about defamation at school will now be in this thread:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=15060


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 06:14 AM

My grandmother met a friend.  I talked to her and monologued about the autism rights movement and she wouldn't listen to me no matter how much I shouted "Would people ever listen to me!?"

I realise I need to do something more serious now to promote the autism rights movement in Australia.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 06:40 AM

If you're reading this, watch this space.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Tigger_the_Wing - 01-05-2009 07:05 AM

Alison Wrote:

spectrum_rights Wrote:
If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?


I think probably because they're scared.  They fear that which they don't understand, and they definitely don't understand our way of looking at the world.  Different races, colours, cultures, languages and religions all have a common basis in human experience up until now.  But we AS people have historically been ostacised from the group, or at best, tolerated for what we can give to the society we live within (or on the outskirts of!)
I wrote a story which has been published by Andromeda Spaceways and which I donated to the writer's area of this site, about the last Neurotypical human left on earth, and how frustrated he was with his lonely existence, even though there was a vibrant and energetic AS population living all around him.  I felt quite sorry for him, but still hope that this is what the future holds in store!
Alison


I recently saw a 'Racial Diversity' poster/wall painting which said "Different on the outside, but the same on the inside".

I immediately thought of an appropriate 'Neuro-Diversity' slogan: "The same on the outside, but different on the inside".


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Bario - 01-05-2009 08:56 AM

As far as I'm concerned Aspie is a culture... and if they can't accept it then they're not truly cultural diverse. I guess the main reason they won't yet accept it is because they cannot SEE it, unlike the colour of someone's skin. Also, the racial issue has been a HUGE thing worldwide for many years, so everyone is very conscious of it. Aspies are still relatively unheard of compared to the Racial issue. Things will hopefully get better in the future as peoples understanding improves with time. I wish you the best of luck with your campaign.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 12:27 PM

I might have to disobey my Dad's orders and create the ad on YouTube.  Wasn't joining and supporting the autism rights movement one of my greatest ambitions?  I must be dedicated to my job, and I might have to disobey my Dad just to do so!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 12:28 PM

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
I immediately thought of an appropriate 'Neuro-Diversity' slogan: "The same on the outside, but different on the inside".


Great slogan, but I just can't copy off it.  That's plagarism.  Perhaps I could tweak it a little bit more so nobody knows where it came from?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 12:31 PM

Bario Wrote:
As far as I'm concerned Aspie is a culture... and if they can't accept it then they're not truly cultural diverse. I guess the main reason they won't yet accept it is because they cannot SEE it, unlike the colour of someone's skin. Also, the racial issue has been a HUGE thing worldwide for many years, so everyone is very conscious of it. Aspies are still relatively unheard of compared to the Racial issue.


Great idea.  Perhaps I could write a "shame on you"-based poster.


Bario Wrote:
Things will hopefully get better in the future as peoples understanding improves with time. I wish you the best of luck with your campaign.


It needs to be quickened.  How many more people have to be abused, defamed and suffer "treatment"?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Bario - 01-05-2009 12:38 PM

That is a great slogan from Tigger.

Yes a 'shame on you' approach I think would definitely be effective

And I think perhaps you should disobey you dad.. sometimes you just have to do what you have to. You can't let yourself be controlled by someone against your will. I've disobeyed my dad before when he tries to stop me from being who I want to be for no good reason other than his own selfishness, and aside from being sent on a guilt trip by him, I've never regretted it


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-05-2009 01:19 PM

How's this for a slogan: "AutismSpeaks for Itself".
Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - violet_yoshi - 01-05-2009 02:06 PM

They also have a problem accepting fat people. They're not as accepting as they like to claim they are to the media.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 10:51 PM

I'd just like to take the time to tell you that I barely watch TV (once a week). I'm comparing it to cultural diversity for now.  They actually do acceptfat people.  You can compare the-bully-at-school-who-everyone-seems-to-like-except-me Zac, with Dudley in the Harry Potter series.  Fortunately, he's not my cousin!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-05-2009 10:53 PM

I think I need to get a break from working for the autism rights movement for just three days - my parents are getting stressed out because of it!  But only three days.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Planet*Louise - 01-06-2009 12:19 AM

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Alison Wrote:

spectrum_rights Wrote:
If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?


I think probably because they're scared.  They fear that which they don't understand, and they definitely don't understand our way of looking at the world.  Different races, colours, cultures, languages and religions all have a common basis in human experience up until now.  But we AS people have historically been ostacised from the group, or at best, tolerated for what we can give to the society we live within (or on the outskirts of!)
I wrote a story which has been published by Andromeda Spaceways and which I donated to the writer's area of this site, about the last Neurotypical human left on earth, and how frustrated he was with his lonely existence, even though there was a vibrant and energetic AS population living all around him.  I felt quite sorry for him, but still hope that this is what the future holds in store!
Alison

te 'Neuro-Diversity' slogan: "The same on the outside, but different on the inside".


Try this: "There was one aspie who was lonely even though he had a thriving NT community round him. I felt sorry for him but hope this is what lies in store?"

The slogan is a good idea, but with that particular one people might get the wrong idea. They might mistake it for a warning or pity-piece about how autistics are mentally ill.

Bario Wrote:
As far as I'm concerned Aspie is a culture...


No! Please no. Having one thing in common does not give people a kinship or make them a community.

There are certain black people who claim there is a 'black community' and 'black culture', even though black people live all over the world in many different circumstances, and have different opinions, values, fortune and culture.

And it's only led to certain groups of black people in America segregating themselves, and black children being bullied by the other black kids if they 'act white'.

We need integration. Closing ranks just can't be an option.

spectrum_rights Wrote:
I'd just like to take the time to tell you that I barely watch TV (once a week). I'm comparing it to cultural diversity for now.  They actually do acceptfat people.


Your classmates do, but it doesn't take a genius to see that the media doesn't, governments don't and a proportion of the general pblic don't. When was the last time you saw a fat person fall in love in a film or on TV, without his or her weight being made into an issue?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Jannine Ambitious/Original - 01-06-2009 02:33 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:
In my area in Australia, our people STRONGLY believe in cultural diversity.  But, at school, I am everyone's victim.  They never call Africans 'n*****s' or Chinese people 'c**** - c****s' yet they call aspies 'spazzers' and 'mentalists' and so on.

My school (I'm still at school!) is full of people of many religious faiths (but I'm atheist) and they learn to accept each other.

They've learnt about cultural/religious diversity, but they don't pay ANY attention to the neurodiversity campaign I just set.

What's wrong with them?

If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?


I was called: 'disabled', 'mad', 'crazy', 'spaz', and some Black children called me 'White' (I'm Black). It was horrible.

At my old school, we would celebrate Jeans For Genes day, which was to raise money for people with genetic disorders. We would wear our jeans and pay a pound.

I remember telling my LSA that we should do one for people with Asperger's. Ever since, this LSA, Sally, is my only true friend. We could talk about my AS.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Tigger_the_Wing - 01-06-2009 03:37 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
I immediately thought of an appropriate 'Neuro-Diversity' slogan: "The same on the outside, but different on the inside".


Great slogan, but I just can't copy off it.  That's plagarism.  Perhaps I could tweak it a little bit more so nobody knows where it came from?


You have my permission to use it (just don't copyright it to yourself! Wink Ta). I am fed up with people assuming that everyone else is the same 'on the inside'. It isn't true for us and it isn't even true for NTs. They only think it's true. The mere fact that there is a world of different cultures and religions gives the lie to that particular fantasy.

NTs may think more like echother than they think like us; we may think more like eachother than we think like them. But each of us is an individual with our own individual views, beliefs, experiences and hopes. The worst abuses occur when people with power think that they know what other people are thinking - or ought to be thinking!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-07-2009 12:35 AM

Quote:
When was the last time you saw a fat person fall in love in a film or on TV, without his or her weight being made into an issue?


I remember seeing a comedy about it, but I can't remember the name.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-07-2009 12:39 AM

Jannine Ambitious/Original Wrote:
I was called: 'disabled', 'mad', 'crazy', 'spaz', and some Black children called me 'White' (I'm Black). It was horrible.


Defamation is extremely common in the Australian community, especially at school.  And many people around here think of it as a disease that needs to be cured.  I also agree with Bario that they aren't truly cultural diverse if they don't accept people with autism.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alael - 01-07-2009 12:45 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:
They've learnt about cultural/religious diversity, but they don't pay ANY attention to the neurodiversity campaign I just set.

What's wrong with them?

If they can accept all these things, why can't they accept neurodiversity?


Good for you, on starting a campaign for the recognition of neurodiversity!  

Part of the difficulty in Australia may be that so many people here actually believe the crap they're fed by the Murdoch press and commercial television.  The popular media line is still "autism'" = "handicapped children", and we get images of kids in wheelchairs (!?!) and the story of the poor dad who had to invest in a tall fence to stop his autistic son from escaping.

We need more adults, and particularly those who have made a name for themselves, to come out of the closet about their autistic traits.  The legalised persecution of gays (or "poofter-bashing" as some Aussies so charmingly call it) only began to stop when some well-known or at least respected people came out of that closet.

Right now the National Gallery in Canberra is raising money to buy a landscape painting by Paul Cezanne.  Now, of all famous painters, Cezanne is one most likely to have been aspie.  Check out the details of his life; and he never quite got the hang of painting portraits, asking one sitter to 'sit like an apple - does an apple move?'  But above all his paintings are about communicating his particular way of seeing, where every point in the visual field is equally important. Many other artists, from Picasso onwards, took up this vision; but I suggest it was Cezanne who started it.  How would this look in the media - "Taxpayers pay millions for painting by aspie"?

(Re coming out of the closet, my real name's David Cooke and I'm a botanist with the Department of Water, Land and Biodiversity Conservation, South Australia)


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - micgrace - 01-07-2009 12:45 AM

Should try being a research chemist. That keeps one excluded. Like when someone asks "what do you do?" "Chemist" "So what pharmacy do you work at?" Like who can you talk to about your work? The sciences get very short change here and those who have a talent for them wind up bing the butt of jokes at school and remorsely teased and bullied about it. I was hence why it took me 20 plus years to return to them.

One does need to have a different way of looking at things to be any good in research. One day those with different neurologies may be prized for their differences rather than put down and ridiculed. Roll on minority group recognition.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alael - 01-07-2009 12:58 AM

micgrace Wrote:
"what do you do?" "Chemist" "So what pharmacy do you work at?"


LOL.  We should have taken up football when we had the chance. Big Grin


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-07-2009 04:39 AM

Dad forbids me to start the campaign, but I'm breaking his rules.  He thinks I'm obsessed with it.  But I'm not.  I'm serious.  And we all are.  I'm going to flood the Herald-Sun with letters.  I want to be heard here!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - violet_yoshi - 01-07-2009 08:15 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:

Quote:
When was the last time you saw a fat person fall in love in a film or on TV, without his or her weight being made into an issue?


I remember seeing a comedy about it, but I can't remember the name.


Was it called The Girl Most Likely To..?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Tigger_the_Wing - 01-07-2009 09:26 AM

Anyway, Australia only thinks it has respect for cultural diversity. It is sickening the number of times that I have been in conversation with white people who think that, as I am white, it is safe to assume that I am as racist as them. They then spout hateful rubbish expecting me to agree with them. Which I don't. They then react as if I have tricked them into saying such things... Sad


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Marcia - 01-07-2009 02:02 PM

Ten years ago I spent 5 weeks in Australia, visiting Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra plus various places in between.

Coming from Scotland, I was struck by how very conservative and yes...casually racist the Aussies were.  Obviously, I'm speaking generally here, but the pervasive atmosphere for some reason made me think of 1950s Britain (which I never knew as I was born in the '60s).

I struggled with the fact that in a country in which white people had only lived for a couple of hundred years, there should be any concerns about or bias against "immigrants".  Australia is full of immigrants - they're the ones who've been running the show for 200 years.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-07-2009 10:20 PM

Marcia Wrote:
Ten years ago I spent 5 weeks in Australia, visiting Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra plus various places in between.

Coming from Scotland, I was struck by how very conservative and yes...casually racist the Aussies were.  Obviously, I'm speaking generally here, but the pervasive atmosphere for some reason made me think of 1950s Britain (which I never knew as I was born in the '60s).

I struggled with the fact that in a country in which white people had only lived for a couple of hundred years, there should be any concerns about or bias against "immigrants".  Australia is full of immigrants - they're the ones who've been running the show for 200 years.


Umm, touchy subject there, Marcia.  I'm not an immigrant: I was born here, thank you.  So were my parents and grandparents.
Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Marcia - 01-07-2009 10:36 PM

Ok, point taken.  I didn't mean any offence and I didn't mean that all Aussies had those attitudes, although I didn't make that clear in my post.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - violet_yoshi - 01-08-2009 09:03 AM

Alison Wrote:

Marcia Wrote:
Ten years ago I spent 5 weeks in Australia, visiting Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra plus various places in between.

Coming from Scotland, I was struck by how very conservative and yes...casually racist the Aussies were.  Obviously, I'm speaking generally here, but the pervasive atmosphere for some reason made me think of 1950s Britain (which I never knew as I was born in the '60s).

I struggled with the fact that in a country in which white people had only lived for a couple of hundred years, there should be any concerns about or bias against "immigrants".  Australia is full of immigrants - they're the ones who've been running the show for 200 years.


Umm, touchy subject there, Marcia.  I'm not an immigrant: I was born here, thank you.  So were my parents and grandparents.
Alison


You should take a look at this:

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/hippychixshop_2035_1420448

There is some language, but I think you might find it funny none the less.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-08-2009 11:47 PM

Alael Wrote:
Good for you, on starting a campaign for the recognition of neurodiversity!  


I need somebody to take over my job.  Causes too many arguments.  I'm serious enough to not stop it completely, but to pass it on.  Even worse, I'm "growing out" of aspieness and I'm trying to force it back into me!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-08-2009 11:49 PM

Here's the link to the forum:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=15091&pid=257407#pid257407


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-08-2009 11:50 PM

Marcia Wrote:
Ten years ago I spent 5 weeks in Australia, visiting Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra plus various places in between.

Coming from Scotland, I was struck by how very conservative and yes...casually racist the Aussies were.  Obviously, I'm speaking generally here, but the pervasive atmosphere for some reason made me think of 1950s Britain (which I never knew as I was born in the '60s).

I struggled with the fact that in a country in which white people had only lived for a couple of hundred years, there should be any concerns about or bias against "immigrants".  Australia is full of immigrants - they're the ones who've been running the show for 200 years.


I just wish to point out that I live in the City of Greater Dandenong, a place where people from over 200 countries live.  It's an immigrant's town and I'm the most bullied person at school (I'm the only aspie around here).


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-08-2009 11:52 PM

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Anyway, Australia only thinks it has respect for cultural diversity. It is sickening the number of times that I have been in conversation with white people who think that, as I am white, it is safe to assume that I am as racist as them. They then spout hateful rubbish expecting me to agree with them. Which I don't. They then react as if I have tricked them into saying such things... Sad


Excuse me!? I live in a town where over 80 languages are spoken!  I'm starting with my own hometown.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Tigger_the_Wing - 01-09-2009 02:30 AM

If you read what I wrote carefully, spectrum_rights, you'll see that the only reason people display their racism to me is because I am white so they think I'm racist too. I'm NOT racist (with my family alone that would be stupid) so almost all my friends in Adelaide weren't white because of the White Australians' casual racism. The racists were, for the most part, too polite to show their racism directly to non-white people; but I copped some too whenever it was realised that I'm white, but not Australian (as did my kids; most of their friends there were immigrants too).

Since I've come to Canberra the racism is even more apparent. The capital cities of most countries is where you'd expect to find the most racial diversity but Canberra is almost exclusively white. Sad

A census officer called at the door shortly before Christmas; he was trying to find Aboriginal/Torres Straight Islanders in the area but most of the houses in my street had no-one at home. I told him that everyone in the street is white immigrant or European-Australian, and I'd only seen one Australian family in the whole district and gestured vaguely in their direction; he said that must be the family he'd found already.

Sad.

Given that people have such difficulty with others who only look different, is it any wonder that those of us who are fundementally different have a hard time being accepted for who we are, for not fitting in with them?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Tigger_the_Wing - 01-09-2009 02:34 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Anyway, Australia only thinks it has respect for cultural diversity. It is sickening the number of times that I have been in conversation with white people who think that, as I am white, it is safe to assume that I am as racist as them. They then spout hateful rubbish expecting me to agree with them. Which I don't. They then react as if I have tricked them into saying such things... Sad


Excuse me!? I live in a town where over 80 languages are spoken!  I'm starting with my own hometown.


It is the respect for cultural diversity that is missing, not the actual cultural diversity (except in Canberra). There were children from 153 different cultures in my children's primary school in Adelaide, but precious little respect.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-11-2009 12:07 AM

I'm not talking about the actual respect here about cultural diversity, I'm talking about neurodiversity in this topic.  What can minors in Australia do for the autism rights movement when their own father is a curebie and is constantly watching them?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-11-2009 12:08 AM

Actually, I'm racist too... I absolutely hated the country where I come from ever since my dad tortured me with Chinese homework.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-11-2009 12:42 AM

Oh yeah... my dad tortures me with Chinese homework too, saying it's for my own good. Why?  I'm not going to China.  I'm sticking with Oz.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-11-2009 01:35 AM

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Since I've come to Canberra the racism is even more apparent. The capital cities of most countries is where you'd expect to find the most racial diversity but Canberra is almost exclusively white. Sad


Whereabouts in Canberra do you live, Tigger?  I'm in Gungahlin, and in my street alone, starting in my own house, is my husband: Indian Ocean islander and myself (yes, okay so I'm of Scottish descent originally!)  and our daughter.  

The family next door to us are mixed Aborigine/Torres Strait islander, and their two sons, *big* muscular guys.

Directly across from us are a family from Egypt, with their little boy Omaid who I had in my class at work.  

In the next house up, a family of Tamils from Fiji who were originally from India.  Next to them are a family from India (they tend to be a bit racist, I've noticed, they don't get on with the Fijian Tamils: I was talking to Anusha and she told me they have "barbecues where they cook goats".  I thought it sounded quite tasty and said so, so now she's not so keen on my, either!)

Then there's the nice old couple sharing a house behind us with their married daughter and son-in-law, they're from Nigeria, very quiet and the father-in-law delivers advertising in local letterboxes to make spare cash.  

It's probably safest to say that in this one street alone, the number of people of European descent is pretty low, with only myself and another family down the road who I don't know very well but who have broad "Strine" accents.

I like living here in Canberra.  I had a lot of rascism directed at me in my home town in the Riverina growing up, because I *wasn't* of Italian descent, which the majority there were.  I couldn't get a job because I didn't have Italian as a second language.  It's one of the reasons I wanted to come to the city.  I'm not saying Canberra is perfect, by any means: we've had a few nasty incidents due to being in a mixed marriage, but it certainly is getting better.  We've been together now for 23 years, and attitudes *are* changing for the better, no matter how slowly.

Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - micgrace - 01-11-2009 01:49 AM

Mine is a mixed marriage. My wife is of Italian descent. I am not. So we moved. End of culture problems. Except atitudes are a lot more relaxed nowdays as compared to when I first got married.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-13-2009 09:45 AM

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
It is the respect for cultural diversity that is missing, not the actual cultural diversity (except in Canberra). There were children from 153 different cultures in my children's primary school in Adelaide, but precious little respect.


That's what I'm speaking of.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Tigger_the_Wing - 01-14-2009 09:31 AM

Alison Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Since I've come to Canberra the racism is even more apparent. The capital cities of most countries is where you'd expect to find the most racial diversity but Canberra is almost exclusively white. Sad


Whereabouts in Canberra do you live, Tigger?  I'm in Gungahlin, and in my street alone, starting in my own house, is my husband: Indian Ocean islander and myself (yes, okay so I'm of Scottish descent originally!)  and our daughter.  

The family next door to us are mixed Aborigine/Torres Strait islander, and their two sons, *big* muscular guys.

Directly across from us are a family from Egypt, with their little boy Omaid who I had in my class at work.  

In the next house up, a family of Tamils from Fiji who were originally from India.  Next to them are a family from India (they tend to be a bit racist, I've noticed, they don't get on with the Fijian Tamils: I was talking to Anusha and she told me they have "barbecues where they cook goats".  I thought it sounded quite tasty and said so, so now she's not so keen on my, either!)

Then there's the nice old couple sharing a house behind us with their married daughter and son-in-law, they're from Nigeria, very quiet and the father-in-law delivers advertising in local letterboxes to make spare cash.  

It's probably safest to say that in this one street alone, the number of people of European descent is pretty low, with only myself and another family down the road who I don't know very well but who have broad "Strine" accents.

I like living here in Canberra.  I had a lot of rascism directed at me in my home town in the Riverina growing up, because I *wasn't* of Italian descent, which the majority there were.  I couldn't get a job because I didn't have Italian as a second language.  It's one of the reasons I wanted to come to the city.  I'm not saying Canberra is perfect, by any means: we've had a few nasty incidents due to being in a mixed marriage, but it certainly is getting better.  We've been together now for 23 years, and attitudes *are* changing for the better, no matter how slowly.

Alison


We're in Weston Creek.

Your neighbourhood sounds a bit like the mix of friends I had in Adelaide! Again, a huge White (mainly Italian) contingent. But our current neighbourhood is almost exclusively European / European Australian.

If you are that close, it's a shame you couldn't join us for the Questacon outing! Perhaps next time? Cool

My family is a mix of English, Scots, Welsh, Irish, German, Greek, Canadian, Iranian and South Korean people...

SR, I think that you will have to be patient and wait until you are older before you can do much. It is better to behave in a sensible, mature manner and concede to your parents' wishes just as long as you are in their house. Who knows? Maybe, by being calm and showing that you can do everything you are capable of, you will earn their respect. If you can earn the respect of your family that is a good starting point to earn the respect of wider society because your family will be on your side.

The quickest way to lose the respect of family (and others) is to accuse them of being repressive and not understanding or respecting you! Generations of teenagers before you have found out that rebelling is a shortcut to disrespect. No parent likes to be told, by the children they've sacrificed everything for, that they are 'curebie'!

If you are a minor, it is your father's responsibility to watch over you; if you were to break a law, the fine would come out of his pocket. If anything bad were to happen to you, he could be charged with neglect; and it would be his heart that would be breaking!

PLease try to stop seeing your parents as 'the enemy' but as potential allies instead. Accept your responsibilities with good cheer (school attendance, homework, household chores, personal hygiene) and then they may be ready to grant you more rights!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-15-2009 12:36 PM

My article on neurodiversity got published!

http://waverley-leader.whereilive.com.au/your-news/story/time-to-support-neurodiversity/


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-15-2009 01:16 PM

spectrum_rights Wrote:


Bravo!  Well done, spectrum_rights!
Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-15-2009 01:57 PM

It also got published at the Springvale/Dandenong Leader webpage.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-15-2009 02:17 PM

I want to publish an article about education for aspies too.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - micgrace - 01-15-2009 11:43 PM

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
It is the respect for cultural diversity that is missing, not the actual cultural diversity (except in Canberra). There were children from 153 different cultures in my children's primary school in Adelaide, but precious little respect.


Anyway, theres no respect for anyone at school regardless of culture, background, ethinicity etc. Its a case of the strong survive. Almost a case of Darwinian evolution.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-16-2009 12:11 AM

You're right, but this isn't about school, this is about the community.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-16-2009 03:06 AM

THey can, if they just know about it!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-16-2009 03:08 AM

That's one problem with neurotypicals!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - tenaciouscj - 01-16-2009 03:29 PM

micgrace Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
It is the respect for cultural diversity that is missing, not the actual cultural diversity (except in Canberra). There were children from 153 different cultures in my children's primary school in Adelaide, but precious little respect.


Anyway, theres no respect for anyone at school regardless of culture, background, ethinicity etc. Its a case of the strong survive. Almost a case of Darwinian evolution.

Depends how good the school is (and most importantly, how decent the head teacher is)


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - violet_yoshi - 01-17-2009 12:54 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:


Excellent article, and well written! I'm glad to see positive a positive article out there in favor of Neurodiversity.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - micgrace - 01-17-2009 01:00 AM

Good to see it published.

Neurodiversity, its the spice of human existence. Its what has made our culture, inventions and everything else. It is to be celebrated and recognized. Viva la difference.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-17-2009 01:59 AM

Too bad there are only a few reporters out there - all AFF members should try writing an article sometime.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-17-2009 02:01 AM

Please comment on my article - it's important to have other people to agree with you, then they'll most likely read it.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-17-2009 04:56 AM

If they call you a spazzer, then ask them what it means, of course!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-17-2009 07:14 AM

You're right.

SPAZZER means SPASTIC, and SPASTIC means something to do with spasms.
They'll become embarrassed either way.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - micgrace - 01-17-2009 07:23 AM

The term spastic (spaz, spazzo, spazzer) here in OZ is a derogratory term linked to muscular dsytrophy and other muscular degenerative diseases or accidents that result in the loss of use or control of ones muscles and is carried onto those who are just a little different. Nothing to do with spasms. It is considered a very low insult. They don't really know what they say.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-17-2009 08:29 AM

Sorry, the dictionary must be out-of-date or something.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-17-2009 08:30 AM

Actually, ALL my books are out of date!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-17-2009 10:15 AM

spectrum_rights Wrote:
Actually, ALL my books are out of date!


Think of them as collectors editions!Big Grin
Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-19-2009 12:23 AM

Back to the subject:  How can we change our reputation in Australia?


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-19-2009 12:26 AM

By educating children about autism at a early age.
They will most likely believe anyone!


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Alison - 01-19-2009 01:32 AM

LWiamil Wrote:
By educating children about autism at a early age.
They will most likely believe anyone!


By not hiding who we are.  We need to let people know that Autism doesn *not* equal the stereotypical "sitting-in-a-corner-rocking-and-drooling" version that so many organisations portray.  Most NTs react with a great deal of surprise when I tell them of my dx.  If they get to know us and then find out that we are AS they can realise that we're just another facet of the great neurodiversity that makes up the human species.  
Alison


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Marcia - 01-19-2009 01:34 AM

Alison Wrote:
By not hiding who we are.  We need to let people know that Autism doesn *not* equal the stereotypical "sitting-in-a-corner-rocking-and-drooling" version that so many organisations portray.  Most NTs react with a great deal of surprise when I tell them of my dx.  If they get to know us and then find out that we are AS they can realise that we're just another facet of the great neurodiversity that makes up the human species.  Alison


Yep!  Spot on, Alison.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-19-2009 10:56 PM

That's right.

But consider the following facts:
* Many Aussies just don't know what autism means.
* Many of them have the 'autism is a disease' view if they do know about it.
* Many autistics don't know they are autistic, because their parents hide it from them.
* When autistics are told, they refuse to believe it. (I used to refuse to believe it, but I now I know my true identity)
* My article in The Leader isn't getting much attention.
* They don't bother listening to some stupid kid that stims.
* Lots of people are obsessed with cricket / football there.

I believe that autistics have the right to:
* be treated as a human being
* be respected as a human being
* grow to our potential
* to be free
* have a quality of life like others around us
* to make choices that affect our lifes
* to complain about services


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-19-2009 11:05 PM

He's right, you know.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-20-2009 12:48 AM

Published a new article:  "Neurodiversity in schools"

http://springvale-dandenong-leader.whereilive.com.au/your-news/story/neurodiversity-in-school/#

( I don't actually live in Springvale Dandenong Leader, that's actually where I'm educated. )


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-20-2009 12:49 AM

Sorry, that was stupid.

I don't live in Springvale Dandenong Leader!  I don't live in Springvale or Dandenong!
That was a silly mistake,  imagine living in a newspaper.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - LWiamil - 01-20-2009 12:54 AM

People who want to accept neurodiversity will want to click on the link above my post.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-23-2009 12:14 PM

New article planned:


This article explains why autism is a culture.

We know of the Australian culture, of the Asian culture, and of the American culture.  But how many of us know the autistic culture exists?  As I said in my early articles, autistics have their own literature, art, and beliefs that they share with other members of the autistic community.  This effectively makes autism a culture.

Sadly, autism is known by most people as a 'living death'; a tantrum-throwing, retarded, silent person who bangs his head in the corner of the room.  This is wrong.  Only a few people are actually like that.  Many of these beliefs are based on prejudice, as most of the autistic community have different habits.

Autism is a way of life, not a disease.  Only an autistic would understand another autistic, just as a neurotypical would only understand another neurotypical.  In fact, there are many social groups on the Internet designed for autistic people.  Autistics repeatedly stim, which means they do repetitive movements as a stress reliever, or just to make themselves comfortable.  This, unfortunately, is viewed as a problem in society.  Autistics have their own set of emotions and communication skills that is different from the general population and can never be explained with any word in the English language.  Autistics are also picky because some situations make them uncomfortable.  Eye contact is avoided because it also makes them uncomfortable when people are staring at their eyeballs.

The following are examples of autistic literature:

  • Look Me In The Eye, by John Elder Robison.  Published by Bantam
  • Through The Eyes of Aliens, by Jasmine Lee O'Neill, Jessica Kingsley Publishers
  • Nobody Nowhere, by Donna Williams, Jessica Kingsley Publishers

And the following are examples of terminology used by many autistic people:

  • AUTIE - Someone with autism.
  • ASPIE - Someone with Asperger syndrome, a form of autism.
  • CUREBIE - Someone that has the desire to eradicate autism.
  • NEUROTYPICAL - A non-autistic person.

Lewis Caroll was known to have Asperger syndrome, a form of autism. Asperger syndrome is believed to make people more creative, and more hyperfocused and looks at the entire picture, not the large picture first, like Lewis Caroll.  He wrote that people should accept eccentrics.  He also wrote "Alice in Wonderland".

You may be wondering, why shouldn't we eradicate the autistic culture?  If all Australians were wiped out, we won't have any more Aussies around.  If all Chinese were wiped out, we won't have anymore Chinese around.  If all autistics were wiped out, we won't have anymore autistics in the world.  We need different people in the world, even people with a difference in their brain. Just as it is unacceptable to defame people with a different skin colour, it is also unacceptable to defame people with autism. To cure these people will wipe out the autistic culture and take away the different person they are.

Give them a chance.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Marcia - 01-23-2009 05:06 PM

spectrum_rights Wrote:

Lewis Caroll was known to have Asperger syndrome, a form of autism. Asperger syndrome is believed to make people more creative, and more hyperfocused and looks at the entire picture, not the large picture first, like Lewis Caroll.  He wrote that people should accept eccentrics.  He also wrote "Alice in Wonderland".


I think your article is well-written, and I wonder whether it might not benefit from the omission of this paragraph.  As Lewis Carroll died in 1898, he cannot have been diagnosed with AS, and I don't know on what basis you claim that he was known to be autistic.

Personally, I'm uncomfortable and quite sceptical about post-humous claims that various renowned people were Aspie or Autie, and I think that this claim distracts slightly from what you're saying in your article.


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - spectrum_rights - 01-23-2009 11:58 PM

I should have said "is believed".


RE: Australia has cultural diversity, why can't they accept neurodiversity? - Pakrat - 03-14-2009 06:31 PM

We need to educate people about the Aspie culture. If we're not good at public speaking, we might just be good at writing. Every little bit helps in order to put across the point that we aren't some kind of monsters.