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Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 07-26-2008 03:27 PM

This is a problem for myself and nearly everyone with aspies I know and continually gets us into strife whether on the internet, at a BBQ, dance or anything else.

The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

I have seen what happens when these subjects are brought up first hand and the results are not pretty. I consider it advisable to steer clear of these subjects unless you are with people of the same or very similar beliefs.

There are many others I'm sure others will be added. Cool


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Grumpy_Old_Rossco - 07-26-2008 03:37 PM

Mate I tend to keep fairly superficial relationships with people. Friendly, cordial and not that involved. This is one of the reasons. I have (surprisingly I know) never been accused of being subtle or delicate and I tend to avoid situations that are likely to embarrass, humiliate or social isolate me. Makes for a long list all in all. Arm's length works for me , sort of.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Wilhemina - 07-26-2008 06:01 PM

Somehow or another, this makes sense to people, though I know not why...

We have found that discussing that you are Autistic, or an Aspie, is a bad thing.  I think expanding this to the discussion of any other "mental condition" (bad term but I have not had coffee yet) applies.  Apparently it is ok to discuss your infected toenail, your hernia, etc., but if you say that your brain is wired differently, or that you have sought help for a mental condition of some kind, people are horrified, and suddenly all have to go...


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - WatsonSword - 07-26-2008 11:09 PM

It all has to do with the "Us vs Them" mentality.
This is ingrained into the human psyche from the days when we hunted with simple machines of wood, twine, and stone on the African Savana --and our instincts still think we are--.
Resources were so difficult to acquire and keep in those times that you had to fight against other tribes just to survive. This is not so anymore, but like I said, we are still wired to think it is.

Unwritten social rules and conventions --beyond mere politeness-- in my opinion serve largely as both a straightjacket and a crutch for this mindset.
In other words, you're allowed to be different as long as you don't ever say that you're different. It's the socio-evolutionary (is that even a real word?) equivalent of "Don't ask. Don't tell."

For instance, I believe that marriage (all marriage) is a largely outdated, hirearchal institution with little use in modern society. But due to social conventions, I had to remove that opinion from my signature.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Aeolienne - 07-26-2008 11:33 PM

micgrace Wrote:
The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

What about money?
It used to be said (in 1950s guides to etiquette, at any rate) that you should steer clear of the three topics Religion, Politics and Money when conversing with someone you don't know that well.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Wilhemina - 07-26-2008 11:49 PM

Good one, I agree, money is a topic that makes people feel uncomfortable.  I am pretty open about it, and then I have noticed, people do not share the same information with me, so I must be doing it wrong.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Natalie - 07-27-2008 12:39 AM

Aeolienne Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

What about money?
It used to be said (in 1950s guides to etiquette, at any rate) that you should steer clear of the three topics Religion, Politics and Money when conversing with someone you don't know that well.

Yeah, that's what my mother always used to tell me as well, and in general I adhere to it. I believe it does prevent a lot of potential problems.

My cousin sometimes tries to start debates between me and other people she knows by blurting out some of my political opinions that don't exactly jive with the predominantly liberal atmosphere in this area, and I just try to ignore her.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 07-27-2008 02:59 AM

Korrigan Wrote:
Good one, I agree, money is a topic that makes people feel uncomfortable.  I am pretty open about it, and then I have noticed, people do not share the same information with me, so I must be doing it wrong.

Ah yes I forgot about money. That can be an issue of contention. Anyway got to go my daughter BADLY wants to go on the computer before she has a meltdown and hers aren't pleasant.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - A True Monotheist - 07-28-2008 09:14 PM

micgrace Wrote:
This is a problem for myself and nearly everyone with aspies I know and continually gets us into strife whether on the internet, at a BBQ, dance or anything else.

The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

I have seen what happens when these subjects are brought up first hand and the results are not pretty. I consider it advisable to steer clear of these subjects unless you are with people of the same or very similar beliefs.

There are many others I'm sure others will be added. Cool


ATM: Strife is OK, as long as it is productive.  I think that people should disagree.  That is part of free discourse.

All the best.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Pakrat - 09-27-2008 02:15 PM

WatsonSword Wrote:
It all has to do with the "Us vs Them" mentality.
This is ingrained into the human psyche from the days when we hunted with simple machines of wood, twine, and stone on the African Savana --and our instincts still think we are--.
Resources were so difficult to acquire and keep in those times that you had to fight against other tribes just to survive. This is not so anymore, but like I said, we are still wired to think it is.

Unwritten social rules and conventions --beyond mere politeness-- in my opinion serve largely as both a straightjacket and a crutch for this mindset.
In other words, you're allowed to be different as long as you don't ever say that you're different. It's the socio-evolutionary (is that even a real word?) equivalent of "Don't ask. Don't tell."

For instance, I believe that marriage (all marriage) is a largely outdated, hirearchal institution with little use in modern society. But due to social conventions, I had to remove that opinion from my signature.


How often are social conventions actually political correctness gone rampant? I know we have to have a certain number of conventions to allow society to run smoothly but if something is really important, I always think it should be written down or at least passed down to new generations via word of mouth.

I certainly think it is wise to be careful about bringing up sexuality/political views - particularly the more incendiary ones which I don't think I should mention in case they start a fight/having a mental illness. Our honesty makes us vulnerable to being thought of as weird because we tend to over self-disclose too early in a conversation.

But it's hard and we often are left with the idea "well, what on earth do they expect me to say?". Usually, talking about the weather is quite safe.

In mother's groups, it's very easy to offend with different views about breastfeeding -vs- bottle feeding, using a dummy or not and for how long, toilet training, weaning, sleeping in parents' beds, spoiling -vs- being strict, etc. But yet if you don't contribute to the conversation, you're seen as weird so what do you do?


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-27-2008 02:27 PM

The easy way out is just to ask them questions about their habits. Like do you.. Hmm.. yes sort of great I know someone who ..without really saying anything. OK that is typical NT conversation. Nothing of any importance really gets said so noone gets offended. Crazy? You bet. But without ever revealing your own viewpoint. Hey I can by with this all the time and until I have a public meltdown escape attention or being seen as weird. Worth a go, just listen to a couple of female friends talking.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Pakrat - 09-27-2008 02:42 PM

But I don't have any female friends so I can't listen.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-27-2008 02:46 PM

Don't have to. Just be within earshot of some friends gasbagging to each other, say on the train. I learnt a lot that way. Then simply copy what works.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Pakrat - 09-27-2008 02:51 PM

But I don't want to copy inane discussions about poxy shows such as "Friends" or who's lost or gained weight and so on, blah, blah, blah. I'm certainly not comfortable talking about sexuality but I find discussing religion, social policies and politics interesting. The sometime Aussie custom of women being consigned to the kitchen and men talking about all the interesting topics sucks big time.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-28-2008 02:02 AM

Unfortunately thats what being part of an NT world is like, inane discussions about no particular subject with no particular end point or any logic. That is just how it is. It would be far better if it wasn't. I much prefer a clear cut logical discussion about something concrete but I have learnt to be adaptable.

That custom of women being in the kitchen is long gone. But there are some diehards out there though. There is nothing wrong with a concrete discussion and I know quite a few women who love a concrete discussion as much as you. And detest soapies etc. But they certainly dengerate to the you know kinda social talk (my description) when with other females.

Anyway my wife is NT, albeit with an acquired brain disorder (accident) so I need some of those skills myself to relate. Like an inane discussion about nothing in particular, with no point in mind. Plus pillow talk even more illogical.

What I hate is talking about so called male things. Football and almost all sports. Like who cares? I'm not part of it. So as a side result I have a tremendous number of female friends but few conventional male friends apart from the university level guys who do see things differently than the run of the mill blue collar.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Marcia - 09-28-2008 02:23 AM

Surely it can't be as clearcut as saying that it's NTs who have these silly, shallow, superficial conversations?  I hope not.  I think a lot of it has to do with people leading very narrow lives which are overly influenced by television and the ridiculous "celebrity" culture which seems to come with it.  Increasingly, many people don't seem to be able to have an intelligent discussion which requires a degree of general knowledge (apart from soap operas and reality TV shows Rolleyes) and an enquiring and open mind.  But I do believe that there are NTs out there who are similarly fed up with the very shallow, frivolous level on which society seems to exist today.

Mini rant warning!  In the shops on my university campus they sell those "celebrity" magazines, like Hello and Heat and the like.  That really infuriates and baffles me in about equal measure.  Why on earth are students, people who are smart and supposed to be interested in more than the crap that is all around them buying these things?  And they must buy them or they wouldn't be sold!   Aaaaaargh!


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-28-2008 02:35 AM

Nothing is clear cut Marcia. But somewhere an arbitary division needs to be made or one can't even discuss the issue. I know quite a few very intelligent NTs who are fed up with a very shallow society. Me being a scientist, business owner as well as aspie is definitely in the minority. I see the students at uni buying crap magazines Who, New (No) Idea, Girlfriend (my daughter) the OZ versions of celeb magazine and having a pointless discussion about B Spears latest breakdown. I personally wouldn't waste the money or time as I can never be one of those or even learn anything positive from them. But, then again, I'm in the minority. However, one does need to fit in this wacky society we are in without being too conspicuous till we achieve our personal aims.

If one has the luxury one can always speak against it. But more than likely would be a lone voice crying out in the wilderness.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Marcia - 09-28-2008 02:40 AM

Yeah, *sigh*, unfortunately it's true.

A couple of times people in the common room at uni started talking about someone, and I asked who it was, thinking it was someone in class or at least a "real" person.  Turned out to be some non-entity off one of these shows and when I said I didn't watch the show they were keen to tell me all about it.  I just told them it was all right, I preferred not to know! Wink


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Marcia - 09-28-2008 02:43 AM

I suppose I probably am regarded as a bit odd, but in a positive way, as in I'm someone who gets good grades and can come up with novel ideas and ways of looking at things.  I certainly got cut a lot of slack in terms of deadlines last year when things were bad at home, and I think it was because the professors and tutors (some of whom I reckon are definately aspie) think well of me.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-28-2008 02:55 AM

I reckon a lot of profs and lecturers have aspies. I am considered a little bit odd for the same reason as you and am certainly expected to join the ranks of academics. I get on very well with academics. Yesterdays discovery was a coral growing under stress. I found it. Very rare apparently and the prof wants to do a paer on it. Well only aspies could get excited over such things. This prof has collections of every sort (beads, rocks, coins etc). And every aspie trait we know so well. But he is a world expert in paleotology. Plus he gets paid $5000 a day for consultancy work with oil companies. (trace fossil id)


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Marcia - 09-28-2008 03:09 AM

Congrats on your coral growing under stress! Smile

I studied Geology for a year when I was at uni the first time, as part of an Arts degree.  I really enjoyed it - my granny was very interested in geology and she passed her enthusiasm on to me!   I joined the class half way through first term, much against my mother's wishes - and it was the only class I got an exemption for and a certificate of merit!  My mother had to admit she was wrong! Smile

I was that child with the interesting rock collection, and the other night I took my son out of bed (his choice of bedtime reading was an old childhood book of mine about how the earth was formed) to show him an interesting sandstone block in the back wall of this cottage! Cool


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Alison - 09-28-2008 03:18 AM

Marcia Wrote:
Mini rant warning!  In the shops on my university campus they sell those "celebrity" magazines, like Hello and Heat and the like.  That really infuriates and baffles me in about equal measure.  Why on earth are students, people who are smart and supposed to be interested in more than the crap that is all around them buying these things?  And they must buy them or they wouldn't be sold!   Aaaaaargh!


We have a heap of those sort of magazines in the staff room, kept in the middle of the table where we all have our lunch.  A number of my colleagues will read them during lunch, flicking through the pages and looking at the pictures and commenting, while I am considered odd because I prefer to either do a Sudoku, a crossword, or read a novel brought from home.  I do attempt to join in the conversation, usually fairly successfully although I'm generally uninterested, but the magazines are another matter.  Who *cares* about what/who some starlet or B-grade actor or footballer is doing/wearing/living with?  But it's all solemnly discussed around the table by most of the people I work with, as if it's of vital importance to the continuance of civilization.  
Alison


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Unknown - 09-28-2008 03:21 AM

micgrace Wrote:
This is a problem for myself and nearly everyone with aspies I know and continually gets us into strife whether on the internet, at a BBQ, dance or anything else.

The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

I have seen what happens when these subjects are brought up first hand and the results are not pretty. I consider it advisable to steer clear of these subjects unless you are with people of the same or very similar beliefs.

There are many others I'm sure others will be added. Cool



All the more reason I try my darndest to avoid talking about it.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Alison - 09-28-2008 03:24 AM

Marcia Wrote:
Congrats on your coral growing under stress! Smile

I was that child with the interesting rock collection, and the other night I took my son out of bed (his choice of bedtime reading was an old childhood book of mine about how the earth was formed) to show him an interesting sandstone block in the back wall of this cottage! Cool


We live in an area in Australia that was once an inland sea (talking 450 million years ago!) and the land is crumbly lumps of slate.  Lauren and I have found masses of stones with trilobite fossils embedded in them.  I also saw a local television program where a scientist was looking at the fossils around this area, and showed a mass of tiny shell fossils.  We love to imagine what the area must have looked like when it was covered in a shallow sea, before even the time of the dinosaurs.  And it brings home just exactly how *old* this continent is.
Alison


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-28-2008 03:32 AM

One won't easily find useful fossils in slate mainly in shale where the preservation can be remarkable. My small number of samples show the indivual leaf veins in great detail in a white, clay shale being Permian. Most of OZ's coal formed in the Cambrian unlike the US being carboniferous period. The tiny shell fossils are known as foraminifera. Trilobites ar used for approximate aging of ancient marine sedimentary rocks when found.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Alison - 09-28-2008 04:11 AM

micgrace Wrote:
One won't easily find useful fossils in slate mainly in shale where the preservation can be remarkable. My small number of samples show the indivual leaf veins in great detail in a white, clay shale being Permian. Most of OZ's coal formed in the Cambrian unlike the US being carboniferous period. The tiny shell fossils are known as foraminifera. Trilobites ar used for approximate aging of ancient marine sedimentary rocks when found.


Oh, I might have meant shale?  I'm not any good identifying, I'm afraid!  It's a very crumbly stone and we have hardly any topsoil on it.  When we were building our house we had to import soil to grow plants on.  But it makes beautiful impressions of the trilobites, with all the little legs and big compound eyes.  I also found a fossilized leaf once, like your fossil it showed the individual leaf veins in great detail.  
Alison


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace2 - 09-28-2008 04:14 AM

The site of my fossils is around Dinmore. Paleotologists visit there all the time as it is world class for plant fossils.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Marcia - 09-28-2008 04:35 AM

Glasgow is built on a swarm of drumlins and it ocurred to me today that I have lived on three of them! Smile  These are the kind of thoughts that float through my mind, which are much more interesting than footballer's wives haircuts! To me, at any rate. Wink


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace2 - 09-28-2008 04:38 AM

Local history is definitely far more interesting than footballers wives haircuts or new clothes. like, who cares apart from footballers gropees (intentionally misspelt) By the way what are drumlins?


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Marcia - 09-28-2008 04:42 AM

From wikipedia:

A drumlin (Irish droimnín, a little hill ridge) is an elongated whale-shaped hill formed by glacial action. Its long axis is parallel with the movement of the ice, with the blunter end facing into the glacial movement. Drumlins may be more than 45 m (150 ft) high and more than 0.8 km (½ mile) long, and are often in drumlin fields of similarly shaped, sized and oriented hills. Drumlins usually have layers indicating that the material was repeatedly added to a core, which may be of rock or glacial till.

Cool


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace2 - 09-28-2008 04:55 AM

Must be of harder material such as granite ie an intrusion (batholith) than the surrounding material with material pushed up the slopes and deposited at the rear. Very interesting and wouldn't mind seeing one for real.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Pakrat - 09-29-2008 02:41 PM

micgrace Wrote:
Don't have to. Just be within earshot of some friends gasbagging to each other, say on the train. I learnt a lot that way. Then simply copy what works.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I was expressing annoyance about shallowness but not really asking for advice. I can socialise enough to get by but don't have many close friends. It's cool - I'm used to it now.
The price of popularity is becoming dumbed down and that's not a price I'm willing to pay most times.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Alison - 09-29-2008 11:46 PM

Pakrat Wrote:
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I was expressing annoyance about shallowness but not really asking for advice. I can socialise enough to get by but don't have many close friends. It's cool - I'm used to it now.
The price of popularity is becoming dumbed down and that's not a price I'm willing to pay most times.


Lauren found that when she was went to the local high school.  She could only "hang out" with people if she didn't talk about her interests but about theirs, and was very frustrated with them as she felt they were extremely shallow.  It's been a lot better the last two years since she began Years 11/12 for the run-up to University studies, since the kids she now mixes with are completing 11/12 because they intend to go on to Uni. She says they're still pretty shallow, but at least they don't penalize her when they find out she has a brain: it's expected more, or perhaps her "peer group" is now maturing into acceptance more.
Alison


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - micgrace - 09-30-2008 01:06 AM

Pakrat Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
Don't have to. Just be within earshot of some friends gasbagging to each other, say on the train. I learnt a lot that way. Then simply copy what works.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I was expressing annoyance about shallowness but not really asking for advice. I can socialise enough to get by but don't have many close friends. It's cool - I'm used to it now.
The price of popularity is becoming dumbed down and that's not a price I'm willing to pay most times.

It did come across as needing advice. One doesn't need a lot of friends. My wife is my closest friend and so are the kids (sometimes). As for being dumbed down I don't think they know what they are missing. Most people are extremly shallow and self centred.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Pakrat - 09-30-2008 04:49 PM

Oh no, I only want advice if I specifically say "what do you think I should do?". I also want to prevent myself from being "dumbed down" by having to talk very much about inane topics. Small talk eg. about the weather is something I can do but talking very much about the latest celebrity diet and similar topics is something I don't tolerate myself doing for very long.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - ChewbackaGrizelda - 11-07-2011 04:46 AM

It seems like no matter what you try to talk about, there's always someone out there who gets offended and feels the need to try to force their opinions onto you.  When it's a matter of advocacy, I can see how that's not always wrong.  But when it's a matter of abstract ideas...  I just figure the argument isn't worth engaging in.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - M - 11-07-2011 04:15 PM

Sometimes there is a "give/take" exchange.  That is what some people think friends are for.  when you have no favours to offer that person, they do not want to be your friend anymore.  Either the take is doing something for them, lending them something, minding their children, going with them somewhere, listening to their problems.  The give they will determine if it is equal to what they are getting from you.  Usually you are not supposed to ask or keep tally.  they might determine what they think you need or want and will feel upset if you do not thank them for or appreciate their favour.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Shnoing - 11-07-2011 09:38 PM

Kate Fox (Watching the English) has written down some of these unwritten rules, e.g. "sqeamishness" about money, keeping to yourself, "mustn't grumble", start a conversation with a stranger by talking about the weather ("grooming talk"), show awkwardness when greeting (shaking hands) etc.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - aspie44.8 - 12-28-2011 07:57 AM

I can really see why money is a touchy subject.

Most people my age have part-time jobs, while I am still looking. Basically, I am living off my family for my affairs, but I have been able to cover my tuition via financial aid.

Anyway, other students casually ask me how much my apartment is. The fact that I have a single bedroom and no roommates, makes it rather pricey when compared to other students. But it is actually pretty cheap for a one-bedroom, since I'm out in the middle of nowhere.

The thing is, these students already have their apartments settled, so there is no need for them to know my rent. They just want to ask, because they feel like it's some sort of pissing contest over who has the best deal. I also think there is some judgment going on; they seem to think of me as some privileged white girl from a rich family, with no clue how bad the recession is affecting everyone.

The more I deal with people like that, the more I appreciate those in my disability groups who actually understand what I am going through.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - BruceCM - 12-28-2011 12:17 PM

Well, strangely, there seems to be a 'rule' against things being 'taboo' subjects. Naturally, people find plenty of ways to make things 'taboo', nevertheless. Which isn't to say I don't agree that asking people you've just met about their sexual preferences, religious beliefs, etc, shouldn't be something to be careful about doing. There seems to me a big difference between saying you'd need to be careful about asking people some things & get to know them a bit first & saying you just can't talk about it.
Generally, I haven't had any problems discussing my religious beliefs with atheists & people of other religions. They don't mind saying why they're whichever & allow me to say why I'm a Christian. Mostly, whether my 'reasons' make sense to them or not, they respect my right to my beliefs as I respect theirs. Sometimes, they can at least agree the 'arguments' are good ones, even if they remain convince of their beliefs.
Similarly, I've not usually had problems discussing politics with people, whether they agree with me about the matters or not. I certainly don't have any problem with others being gay or lesbian, transgender or anything else, just because I'm heterosexual.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Gedrene - 12-28-2011 01:07 PM

Though many said social rules suck, with perseverance one can ask the reason why such social rules occur.

What will be most unusual each time you confront one is that they are most definitely arbitrary social rules to some degree.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - AspieGrrl - 12-28-2011 01:29 PM

Aeolienne Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

What about money?
It used to be said (in 1950s guides to etiquette, at any rate) that you should steer clear of the three topics Religion, Politics and Money when conversing with someone you don't know that well.


Oh snap.  I broke two of those the very first time I spoke with Hyperspace.  And it wasn't the money one.  We also spoke of conspiracy theories, cheese jokes, rootbeer, and human nature.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Gedrene - 12-28-2011 04:35 PM

AspieGrrl Wrote:

Aeolienne Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
The three main areas that seem to cause the most strife are talking about sexuality identity, political persusian and religious conviction almost invaribly will bring a hostile response since these three areas are very deeply held core beliefs that a person will vigourously defend if there is a perceived attack on them.

What about money?
It used to be said (in 1950s guides to etiquette, at any rate) that you should steer clear of the three topics Religion, Politics and Money when conversing with someone you don't know that well.


Oh snap.  I broke two of those the very first time I spoke with Hyperspace.  And it wasn't the money one.  We also spoke of conspiracy theories, cheese jokes, rootbeer, and human nature.


Forget about those rules. If you break them as often as possible whenever possible you make Human Beings more likely to be open-minded about talking about the three topics right away.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - ChewbackaGrizelda - 12-30-2011 09:23 AM

All I know is, the best friend you can ever have is one who can sit there with you and just -talk- back and forth with you, laugh together with you AND NEVER AT YOU when you aren't laughing at yourself too (for real)...  There's nothing wrong with give-and-take (equally) being -part- of a friendship, but what's wrong is when that's ALL there is TO a friendship, especially if it really -is- unequal by a long shot.  At least in my humble opinion.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - whiterabbit - 01-09-2012 06:26 PM

Marcia Wrote:
I think a lot of it has to do with people leading very narrow lives which are overly influenced by television and the ridiculous "celebrity" culture which seems to come with it.  


You go to geek culture (they should be intelligent, right?) and hear all talks how smart they are, and how great their (next) startup is. At best,  computer games and zombie movies. How smart should be people who are busy showing off how smart they are all the time? I can bet, many are aspies.


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Aeolienne - 01-09-2012 07:56 PM

whiterabbit Wrote:
You go to geek culture (they should be intelligent, right?) and hear all talks how smart they are, and how great their (next) startup is. At best,  computer games and zombie movies.

Do you live in Cambridge, by any chance?


RE: Unwritten Social Rules - Anna2012 - 01-13-2012 03:01 AM


whats wrong with talking about those things?
pepole seem to get so upset?
i wonder why?



RE: Unwritten Social Rules - fr.zatchary - 01-31-2012 04:59 AM

Rule #1: Read "The Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships" by Temple Grandin and Sean Barron.
Rule #2: See Rule #1.
Rule #3: Read any Temple Grandin for that matter. Wink