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Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 05-27-2008 02:58 AM

Source

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Pods, iPhones, laptops and other digital devices could be seized by customs officials worldwide under a new top-secret copyright policing deal being worked out between the G8 nations, reports claim.

Nations including Canada, the US and various European states (including the UK, which sits on the G8) are secretly agreeing a new pan-global state police deal in which information held on iPods and other devices could be subject to investigation by customs officials tasked with a new role, as copyright police.

Dubbed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), signatory nations will form an international coalition against copyright infringement.

The deal’s up for discussion at the next G8 meeting in Tokyo in July, It creates rules and regulations to govern private copying and copyright laws, and posits the founding of an international regulator, “that would turn border guards and other public security personnel into copyright police,” reports Ottawa Citizen, the National Post and other Canadian media outlets.

These copyright police would be given the job of checking laptops, iPods, iPhones and other personal devices for content that “infringes” on copyright laws, “including ripped CDs and DVDs”. To make this Stalinist proposition even more annoying, front line security staff will be empowered to decide what content infringes on copyright laws. And also makes any content copied from DVD or a digital video recorder open to scrutiny by officials.

It’s likely these lunatic new proposals are being drawn up in secret in order to outflank any outcry by privacy advocates or any true intellectual discussion as to whether such protectionism should be applied in favour of content creation firms.

Officials will be able to levy fines or seize goods even in the absence of any complaints by rights holders. And searches will be allowed even without a lawyer present. And ISPs will be forced to hand over personal information on any alleged copyright infringers - no actual proof will be required. And, to make it even more Orwellian, ACTA will be unaccountable to any existing trade organisation, effectively meaning the RIAA and other such bodies will run a public/private international police force with the right to search, fine and confiscate property without any accountability. Local Canadian privacy advocates point out that governments have been privately negotiating these new proposals without consultation, and that the proposals revealed yesterday only surfaced due to the application of freedom of information type laws.


If I read that right....then they'll have the right to search my MP3 player, and I'll have to prove that I purchased those tracks...?
and its worse in the USA: didnt the RIAA try to get it so that ripping MP3 was copywrite breach?

damn, I'm glad I use Truecrypt Wink


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - nathanww - 05-27-2008 06:28 AM

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and its worse in the USA: didnt the RIAA try to get it so that ripping MP3 was copywrite breach?


The US is getting more obtuse about such things by the day--there was recently some discussion about having customs officials having the right to search your laptop.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 05-27-2008 06:35 AM

nathanww Wrote:

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and its worse in the USA: didnt the RIAA try to get it so that ripping MP3 was copywrite breach?


The US is getting more obtuse about such things by the day--there was recently some discussion about having customs officials having the right to search your laptop.


yup. the would ask you to sign into it, or they would just confiscate it.

they were also imaging the HDDs.

Truecrypt, anyone?

remember, Citizen; Have your Papers out and ready!


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Gareth - 05-27-2008 08:36 AM

I wonder what they would do for music that was under a creative commons license or which I composed.......


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 05-27-2008 10:10 AM

Gareth Wrote:
I wonder what they would do for music that was under a creative commons license or which I composed.......



"prove it".


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DocMartin - 05-27-2008 10:22 AM

normally it makes them very nervous to find files they don't know
They'd ask you "where do have this from?" "what do you need it for?"
"why do you have it?" Why don't you collaborate with us if you have nothing to hide?"


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 05-27-2008 10:36 AM

DocMartin Wrote:
normally it makes them very nervous to find files they don't know
They'd ask you "where do have this from?" "what do you need it for?"
"why do you have it?" Why don't you collaborate with us if you have nothing to hide?"


judging by the average security guard, they are not going to recognise .ogg, .FLAC, or .BAT...so save your MP3's, write a .bat to rename them as .oggs, when you want to play them, run the .bat, and huzzah! *** you,RIAA!
or, you know,  just bloody use .ogg and .flac. smaller, and higher quality Wink


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - robexib - 07-24-2008 12:13 AM

True, but not everyone knows how to use .bat files. (Me.)

Though, I do like .ogg files.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - earthmonkey - 07-24-2008 12:26 AM

Yes, please do enlighten us on .bat and .ogg.

This sucks, too, since my MP3 player broke before I could put the songs on my computer, and my sister has many the same songs, and I was hoping to get a copy from her rather than re-buy them.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Gareth - 07-24-2008 02:38 PM

One idea I saw a while back:
Image your harddrive and compress+encrypt it
Upload to Amazon S3 or another nice big online storage service
Re-install OS on your laptop
When you reach your destination, re-download the image

Or......
If you have plenty of free space, just image the drive, encrypt it and put it away somewhere on the laptop again after your fresh OS installation.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DogBrain - 07-24-2008 02:41 PM

And score another one for the nanny state!

Remember, every time their power to enact "social programs" is extended, governments take that as permission to extend their power in other areas.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Domo - 07-24-2008 09:42 PM

There's no way that would get ratified with our upcoming president and congress.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Max the Bear - 07-24-2008 10:14 PM

DogBrain Wrote:
And score another one for the nanny state!

Remember, every time their power to enact "social programs" is extended, governments take that as permission to extend their power in other areas.


This kind of crap doesn't ride in on the back of social programs -- it's all about "protecting us from terrorists,"


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Max the Bear - 07-24-2008 10:15 PM

Domo Wrote:
There's no way that would get ratified with our upcoming president and congress.


By "our" do you mean the United States? If so, you are very likely wrong.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Domo - 07-24-2008 10:29 PM

Max the Bear Wrote:

Domo Wrote:
There's no way that would get ratified with our upcoming president and congress.


By "our" do you mean the United States? If so, you are very likely wrong.


Yes, the only "our" that matters. Big Grin

McCain won't do it. Hillary would. Obama Might. I admit, I know less about Obama than I should. The Senate is not in post 9/11 unilaterality' anymore, so something this big could not slip past them so easily. The house.. Who cares about them. What's your impression?


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Max the Bear - 07-24-2008 11:37 PM

This is just more crap taking us farther down the road to the US being a spy state. McCain is all for that. It is also protective of the corpratocracy which owns McCain 100% and Obama 75%.

Who is it you think is going to be the next president and why do you think they would stop such practices?

And that "the only 'our' that matters" remark is why people can't stand Americans.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 07-25-2008 12:24 AM

Max the Bear Wrote:
And that "the only 'our' that matters" remark is why people can't stand Americans.


SO MUCH THIS IT HURTS


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Domo - 07-25-2008 01:38 AM

Max the Bear Wrote:
And that "the only 'our' that matters" remark is why people can't stand Americans.

..Because of our sense of humor?

So this is all supposed to be secret, or at least kept hush hush and with minimal time on open-doors deliberation. Have any substantial people stepped up acknowledging the ACTA? I looked at the document and it doesn't have 1 name on it.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - tenaciouscj - 07-25-2008 03:33 PM

Max the Bear Wrote:

DogBrain Wrote:
And score another one for the nanny state!

Remember, every time their power to enact "social programs" is extended, governments take that as permission to extend their power in other areas.


This kind of crap doesn't ride in on the back of social programs -- it's all about "protecting us from terrorists,"

I must be missing something here - how can downloaded music be terrorising us? People would be less likely to use P2P networks if they could find what they want in the music store or on the net. Instead of using so many draconian measures, there is a need to find a way to supply the unmet demand.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 07-25-2008 07:09 PM

tenaciouscj Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:

DogBrain Wrote:
And score another one for the nanny state!

Remember, every time their power to enact "social programs" is extended, governments take that as permission to extend their power in other areas.


This kind of crap doesn't ride in on the back of social programs -- it's all about "protecting us from terrorists,"

I must be missing something here - how can downloaded music be terrorising us? People would be less likely to use P2P networks if they could find what they want in the music store or on the net. Instead of using so many draconian measures, there is a need to find a way to supply the unmet demand.


It doesnt.

Basically, the US is currently restricting a lot of things, becoming quite draconian, under the guise of "protection from the terrorists". unfortunately, they are doing it wrong. as Gareth said, you just upload an image of the hard drive, and redownload it; or you can get TrueCrypt, and make an invisible partition.

basically, the TSA are a bunch of thieving morons.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Domo - 07-26-2008 05:05 PM

It just doesn't make sense though.. Enforcement of that would take lots of $$$, which I don't see the government forking up. I don't see security guards going out of their way to enforce something they don't agree with. Republicans don't like spending, but like to protect business. Dunno bout democrats, but if Republicans would like the idea, the Dem's would oppose it.

At my old office we had several frequently visited computer rules- Don't do porn, open anonymous emails (viruses), or AIM. But the don't do AIM part was a directive of the man, whilest the other rules were for security. Needless to say when it came to enforcement, 1/3 of our computers had AIM. To make things better, a second CEO came along who loved AIM. You think we enforced that rule at all after he came in?

More on the politics, Our government right now is split- Neither party is on the high seat. I don't see anything controversial slipping through cracks. Just as well, the patriot act will be heavily dismantled if the dem's get more control.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - Domo - 07-26-2008 05:08 PM

Oups, "the man" is supposed to be italics. It's one of those inflected phrases.

Get some-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_man


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DeLorean Dude - 10-12-2008 12:37 AM

Thats just mad!!!

Are they gonna do this???


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DeLorean Dude - 10-12-2008 12:39 AM

Oh yeah, also I am sure ripping CDs is legal if you own the CD, or iTunes would be banned surely?


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 10-12-2008 01:49 AM

DeLorean Dude Wrote:
Oh yeah, also I am sure ripping CDs is legal if you own the CD, or iTunes would be banned surely?


No; when you purchase something from iTunes, you are in effect purchasing a license to use that media, in that format.

they are thinking of it like this; Say I buy a game for the 360; say I then want to play that on my PC instead of on my xbox, for whatever reason; I can't just download it in another format, I have to go buy it in another format.

Ergo; when you buy a CD, you are buying a license to play that media, from that medium. if you transfer that media to another medium (or a container, in the case of MP3/OGG/whatever) you are (according to them) breaking copyright laws..

does that clarify things?


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DeLorean Dude - 10-12-2008 09:59 AM

Thats stupid!!!

Why does iTunes let you rip CDs then?


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 10-12-2008 03:08 PM

DeLorean Dude Wrote:
Thats stupid!!!

Why does iTunes let you rip CDs then?


Because the RIAA (Record Industry Association of America), which is the organisation trying to push this through, hasn't gotten its way.

yet.

as was mentioned at the beginning of the thread, this sort of crap already happens with laptops when you cross over a US boundry.

and as was also mentioned; thank god for truecrypt.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DeLorean Dude - 10-12-2008 03:09 PM

Glad I'm in the UK, I will have to make sure they wont screw with my iPod touch if I go to America, though!


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 10-12-2008 03:10 PM

DeLorean Dude Wrote:
Glad I'm in the UK, I will have to make sure they wont screw with my iPod touch if I go to America, though!


Read the article; We're in on it too.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - DeLorean Dude - 10-12-2008 03:12 PM

So the Record Industry Association of America has authority over the UK?!?!

Stupid record industry, I wish they would go *** themselves.


RE: Own an MP3 player? be afraid... - - 10-13-2008 02:44 AM

DeLorean Dude Wrote:
So the Record Industry Association of America has authority over the UK?!?!

Stupid record industry, I wish they would go *** themselves.


if they are the ones who "own" the crappyright, then yes.

Don't forget; Money is something those douchebags have in great abundance. And you'll never be short a corrupt politician or two...