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Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 04-11-2008 03:26 AM

Hello.  I've been officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.  I'm not sure I actually have it, but I have.  I've also been diagnosed with AD-HD (which I definitely have) and Anxiety Disorder NOS (if never worrying about anything is an anxiety disorder, this is spot on.)

When I was diagnosed I naturally consumed every book on Asperger's that my parents bought, which was quite a few.  It was weird--I have some classic aspie traits, but there are others I don't have a trace of.  For example, I do tend to get obsessive about things, particularly when I was younger.  If you asked ten-twelve year old me what a Parasurolophus was you'd get an earful (it's a dinosaur, incidentally.  I've forgotten the rest.)  Now if you were to ask me about poetic metre... well, don't unless you have an interest in anapaests.

On the other hand I have near-perfect balance, an impeccable sense of direction (I spend much of my time wandering unfamiliar suburbs alone on roller skates), good motor skills both gross and fine (although my handwriting is appalling,) a good sense of rhythm and timing, good colour judgment, and at least a rudimentary ability to know when to talk and when to shut up in conversation.  Also I understand eye contact bothers some people but it has less affect on me than on most NTs.  I do stare sometimes but I'll recognise I must be bothering the other person.

My parents tell me I was very aspieish growing up--I started talking pretty much in complete sentences, acquired grammar very quickly and talked to adults exactly the same way I talked to kids.  I'm also informed that as a kid I was once given the assignment 'colour in all the things that start with D,' which I didn't want to do so I scribbled all over it and told the teacher 'D is for DARK and I'm DONE.'  This stroke of genius failed to get me out of the assignment so I sulked.  I still don't like it when people fail to appreciate my cleverness.

I have a feeling I'm rambling and hurting the chances of this actually being read, so I'll summarize the rest.  I love novels, I want to be a writer when I grow up.  I have no problem with the big picture, and any time I notice something that doesn't fit it it's because it stands out from the things around it.  I don't have any sensation-avoiding behaviors whatso--strike that, I don't like slimy food.  On the other hand I think a lot, rock back and forward, play with my hair a lot (bits of it end up everywhere) and focus so intently on one thing I ignore the world.  Then, I ignore the world by entering a completely non-distractible state, which is a very non-aspie trait.  I'm good with numbers but I don't like them, and I suck at remembering meaningless strings, but song lyrics lodge in my head like, um, something that lodges in your head.

Finally, I took some of you're aspie tests and they all say 'no you're not an aspie.'  So, assuming you care to read my tiny autobiography, do you think I am or not?  I'm really smart, maybe I'm just aping normal behavior well.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - ichtms - 04-11-2008 03:42 AM

Welcome to the Forums Alias Pseudonym.

Why would a 'completely non-distractible state' be a non-aspie trait?

I've scored 160-185 on the aspie quiz. My sense of directions are also impeccable as is my balance.

I'm 42. How old are you?


Tomas


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 04-11-2008 04:01 AM

18.  On the aspie quiz I scored 65/200 aspie, 130/200 NT (you are probably NT) and in the diagnostic prediction thing I got 43 (your diagnosis is very likely wrong.)  Also I got 86 for AD-HD.

What I meant by non-distractible was that I can be pulled away from it and go right back--that's non-aspie, isn't it?


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Lucie1 - 04-11-2008 08:38 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
What I meant by non-distractible was that I can be pulled away from it and go right back--that's non-aspie, isn't it?




Maybe, I don't know. Autism is a spectrum of traits, some you may fit, some your wont. Maybe aspergers isn't quite right, maybe traits of autism may be be more on mark. It's a bit of an art, more than a science.

I love your writing, you're brilliant. Your writing is very relaxed, informal and off the cuff.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-11-2008 08:54 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
Finally, I took some of you're aspie tests and they all say 'no you're not an aspie.'  So, assuming you care to read my tiny autobiography, do you think I am or not?  I'm really smart, maybe I'm just aping normal behavior well.


You definitely don't get any points for humility.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-11-2008 08:57 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
What I meant by non-distractible was that I can be pulled away from it and go right back--that's non-aspie, isn't it?


I think it is non-Aspie.  Personally, if you pull me away from my hyperfocused state, it is very hard for me to get back into it.

I think you may be "gifted ADHD" instead, and the Asperger could be wrong.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Saint - 04-11-2008 09:27 AM

I can relate to the roller skating. In my case it was long solo bike rides where I would entirely map the valley out in my mind. There were very few places that I couldn't find, or didn't know about. This has helped me at work on service routes in my 20's.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Saint - 04-11-2008 09:28 AM

I think that many kids go through the dinosaur stage. If you stay in that stage it might indicate more. For example, I collect things such as in my sig. First, coins, and now patterns and designs.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - andrew_w - 04-11-2008 10:04 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
Hello.  I've been officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.  I'm not sure I actually have it, but I have.  I've also been diagnosed with AD-HD (which I definitely have) and Anxiety Disorder NOS (if never worrying about anything is an anxiety disorder, this is spot on.)

When I was diagnosed I naturally consumed every book on Asperger's that my parents bought, which was quite a few.  It was weird--I have some classic aspie traits, but there are others I don't have a trace of.  For example, I do tend to get obsessive about things, particularly when I was younger.  If you asked ten-twelve year old me what a Parasurolophus was you'd get an earful (it's a dinosaur, incidentally.  I've forgotten the rest.)  Now if you were to ask me about poetic metre... well, don't unless you have an interest in anapaests.

On the other hand I have near-perfect balance, an impeccable sense of direction (I spend much of my time wandering unfamiliar suburbs alone on roller skates), good motor skills both gross and fine (although my handwriting is appalling,) a good sense of rhythm and timing, good colour judgment, and at least a rudimentary ability to know when to talk and when to shut up in conversation.  Also I understand eye contact bothers some people but it has less affect on me than on most NTs.  I do stare sometimes but I'll recognise I must be bothering the other person.

My parents tell me I was very aspieish growing up--I started talking pretty much in complete sentences, acquired grammar very quickly and talked to adults exactly the same way I talked to kids.  I'm also informed that as a kid I was once given the assignment 'colour in all the things that start with D,' which I didn't want to do so I scribbled all over it and told the teacher 'D is for DARK and I'm DONE.'  This stroke of genius failed to get me out of the assignment so I sulked.  I still don't like it when people fail to appreciate my cleverness.

I have a feeling I'm rambling and hurting the chances of this actually being read, so I'll summarize the rest.  I love novels, I want to be a writer when I grow up.  I have no problem with the big picture, and any time I notice something that doesn't fit it it's because it stands out from the things around it.  I don't have any sensation-avoiding behaviors whatso--strike that, I don't like slimy food.  On the other hand I think a lot, rock back and forward, play with my hair a lot (bits of it end up everywhere) and focus so intently on one thing I ignore the world.  Then, I ignore the world by entering a completely non-distractible state, which is a very non-aspie trait.  I'm good with numbers but I don't like them, and I suck at remembering meaningless strings, but song lyrics lodge in my head like, um, something that lodges in your head.

Finally, I took some of you're aspie tests and they all say 'no you're not an aspie.'  So, assuming you care to read my tiny autobiography, do you think I am or not?  I'm really smart, maybe I'm just aping normal behavior well.


You sound somewhat autistic to me. Actually, you sound similar to myself in some ways - my "strongest" autistic trait is strong interests, I have only minor sensorimotor problems, and I don't have an especially hard time figuring out when to talk or interpreting facial expressions (although I suspect that I do it in a somewhat different way than a non-autistic would). There is no line between "autistic" and "non-autistic", only a large gray area. You could be "weakly autistic" (which is how I sometimes describe myself), or somewhere in that gray area. Those online quizzes aren't necessarily right.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Shnoing - 04-11-2008 10:12 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
...  I've been officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.  I'm not sure I actually have it, but I have.  I've also been diagnosed with AD-HD (which I definitely have) and Anxiety Disorder NOS (if never worrying about anything is an anxiety disorder, this is spot on.)

...


It seems that either your ADHD messes up the online test results or you've been the 'victim' of a sort of 'fashion' among professionals to dx Asperger's if they don't know what to write down.

Even if - you're still welcome to write here.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - honestjohn - 04-11-2008 07:23 PM

What online test results?  IS there an online test?  I think you may know that my John hsa been officailly diagnoses (and properly) with ASD, (we disagree with the ADHD, OCD, anxiety ).  We had to have him diagnosed - even though we always knew he was in the spectrum- so the school could (be allowed/be forced) to treat him as an individual.  Problem was, we had to "tell" john because "they" thought that would help him, and we did think there was nothing to hide.  Knowing our son as we do, we knew he would not like to be labeled.  HE knows nothing about Aspergers, the same way he knows nothing about other topics of which he has no interest.  The problem is (I am sure you won't be surprised) he is resistant. We are working on (stealthily) bringing him around, so that HE can identify with being an aspie, not us identifying him as one.  DO you know what I mean.  This is tricky, he says "I think someone got their paperwork mixed up".
Maybe, if he took an online test, and he got the results on a computer screen, he would identify more.
By the way- John loves the abducted thread with the aliens, on this forum.  I let him look over my shoulder - he doesn't know what this forum is about (yet) and he now says "Those aspies are really interesting".  advice?


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Yigal - 04-11-2008 07:49 PM

honestjohn Wrote:
By the way- John loves the abducted thread with the aliens, on this forum.  I let him look over my shoulder - he doesn't know what this forum is about (yet) and he now says "Those aspies are really interesting".  advice?


Sounds as if that piece of information could be delivered to your son on a neat deed.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Yigal - 04-11-2008 08:01 PM

I mean like a membership card Smile


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Lucie1 - 04-11-2008 08:17 PM

That's a really good idea Yigal.

Good to see you are posting. Smile


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - IncognitoInnominate - 04-11-2008 08:25 PM

hah... D is for DARK and i'm DONE.
Should of got a commendment. Nice.

i don't think aspies in general have a typicly bad sense of direction, varies through everyone AS or not.  But on the balance thing no Aspie male i have met can dance.  I tried... girls can though. (I think it's the limping thing in the left leg. gonna poll this.)


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - honestjohn - 04-11-2008 08:43 PM

Sorry Yigal and Lucie, neat deed, card, huh?  Going to get John now...


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - honestjohn - 04-11-2008 09:16 PM

Really am trying to figure out how having been diagnosed is going to help John.  He has a what's in it for me attitude on alot of things, I think that on the diagnosis aspect, he will be/is the same.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Yigal - 04-11-2008 09:26 PM

The basic idea lies in the story of Tony Attwod, who congratulates the children being diagnosed by him as being Aspergers.

If your son finds his interests here, you can congratulate your son of being officially allowed to be in this 'club', hence the card.

The deed carries the notion of the official piece of paper with the diagnosis written on it.

So, a mixture of these is some kind of a card for a lifetime membership in the fictive Aspie Club.


Or in short: make it the good news that it is!


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - honestjohn - 04-11-2008 09:39 PM

The good, John is happy to be who he is and how he is.
The bad, since the folks at school have / use labels and they don't think similarly about John - they want him to be able to "see the grey" areas in things, they want him to try to be like them...now... - (in other words to change him).  He can't help but feel the inherent inconsistency between, what "they" think the word means and what he thinks the word means.  I am pleased that, and with this forums help, I am getting closer, the word aspie just rolled off his tongue.. maybe he can disassociate the word aspergers as defined by others and aspie as defined by himself... Thanks for any input.  I so appreciate the insight.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-12-2008 07:04 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
Finally, I took some of you're aspie tests and they all say 'no you're not an aspie.'  So, assuming you care to read my tiny autobiography, do you think I am or not?  I'm really smart, maybe I'm just aping normal behavior well.


I don't know why people seem to keep insisting on this, but really I do not see why being exceptionally smart would allow you to mimic social behavior any better than an Aspie of average intelligence.

There are bright NTs who don't do too well socially.

I think your theory is incorrect.  Again, for the masses, if you happen to be very smart with Asperger's... the giftedness wouldn't necessarily compensate for social problems.  Trust me.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-12-2008 07:07 AM

IncognitoInnominate Wrote:
hah... D is for DARK and i'm DONE.
Should of got a commendment. Nice.

i don't think aspies in general have a typicly bad sense of direction, varies through everyone AS or not.  But on the balance thing no Aspie male i have met can dance.  I tried... girls can though. (I think it's the limping thing in the left leg. gonna poll this.)


I have an incredibly bad sense of direction.  I am 26 and have lived in the same neighborhood my whole life, and I still cannot give anyone directions to anyone beyond a simple "go past this one light, take a left, keep going for a while" etc.  I still get lost in my own neighborhood.

I think a bad sense of direction is typical for Aspies.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - earthmonkey - 04-12-2008 07:29 AM

Batman55 Wrote:

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
Finally, I took some of you're aspie tests and they all say 'no you're not an aspie.'  So, assuming you care to read my tiny autobiography, do you think I am or not?  I'm really smart, maybe I'm just aping normal behavior well.


I don't know why people seem to keep insisting on this, but really I do not see why being exceptionally smart would allow you to mimic social behavior any better than an Aspie of average intelligence.

There are bright NTs who don't do too well socially.

I think your theory is incorrect.  Again, for the masses, if you happen to be very smart with Asperger's... the giftedness wouldn't necessarily compensate for social problems.  Trust me.


I agree. There have been a number of autistic people considered to be quite intelligent who couldn't socialize for beans (possibly why we get the 'eccentric professor' stereotype). Academic skills won't do much for socialization, unless you happen to find yourself in a lot of academic clubs, where people are similarly nerdy, and because of mutual knowledge, the difference in social skills may not be so pronounced. But that's when talking about special interests, and even then you can go off on tangents and stand out from the rest.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 04-13-2008 12:37 AM

I didn't say it was a very likely explanation, I just can't think of another one.  Maybe I have an ability to imitate non-intuitive behavior distinct from intelligence.

In particular, I'm good at language, and it seems to me that's more useful socially than being good at math or art or something.  It might be possible to work out social cues through word choice or something.  I dunno.

Most likely, I think, that I'm just at the very blurry edge of the spectrum.  Plus full-blown AD-HD.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 04-13-2008 05:34 AM

After think about this more than I have in, well, ever (and after gripping that there isn't an edit button to let me avoid double posting.) I've decided I don't have Asperger's Syndrome.  I have personality traits and abilities associated with it, but to have a syndrome you have to have symptoms, and after going over mine I realised all of them are associated with AD-HD rather than AS.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - earthmonkey - 04-13-2008 06:22 AM

As mentioned before, autism is a spectrum so that, there are some people who'll meet all the criteria, others who will meet some (but still enough for a diagnosis), and others who'll meet some but not enough for a diagnosis. Autistic traits aren't exclusively the domain of autistics, and that's how I think of the spectrum anyway - continuous, including autistic, not very autistic at all, and every place in between. In any case, you're still welcome on the boards. There are a number of us who have ADHD as well, and there are also NT members, so feel free to post here as much as you like.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-13-2008 06:43 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
After think about this more than I have in, well, ever (and after gripping that there isn't an edit button to let me avoid double posting.) I've decided I don't have Asperger's Syndrome.  I have personality traits and abilities associated with it, but to have a syndrome you have to have symptoms, and after going over mine I realised all of them are associated with AD-HD rather than AS.


If you hadn't known, many people with ADHD have some traits and personality characteristics that overlap with Asperger's, in the first place.  Some researchers believe ADHD may be on the autistic spectrum.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - honestjohn - 04-13-2008 03:48 PM

I think (may be a controvesial thought) that alot of the kids classified as ADHD, are ADHD like, but not gentically born ADHD, the environment they are in makes them act as such. (parental techniques, starting a kid at school too soon, too much Tv at 1 year old etc., ) While there are many ADHD that no changes in parenting will change.  Just an opinion.  (whereas ASD is not a parent issue, in any cases, it has a physical/nuerological basis)  Nurture Vs. nature.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Marcia - 04-13-2008 03:55 PM

honestjohn Wrote:
I think (may be a controvesial thought) that alot of the kids classified as ADHD, are ADHD like, but not gentically born ADHD, the environment they are in makes them act as such. (parental techniques, starting a kid at school too soon, too much Tv at 1 year old etc., ) While there are many ADHD that no changes in parenting will change.  Just an opinion.  (whereas ASD is not a parent issue, in any cases, it has a physical/nuerological basis)  Nurture Vs. nature.


I would tend to agree with this, in some cases anyway.  

I've seen concern expressed in the media about the number of children dxed as ADHD and medicated when it may simply be the case that adults are failing to realise that children do have loads of energy and if they are denied the opportunity to run that energy off or express themselves as children should then their activities will become more destructive.  They say that children are given much less freedom these days just to be children and to enjoy unsupervised, or minimally supervised outdoor play.  Instead they are kept indoors and expected to act more like mini-adults than as children.  Medication is used to keep them placid and more controllable. Better to let them run about in the park for an afternoon and burn off all that energy!

Btw, I'm not saying this applies to all children dxed as ADHD, but quite possibly to some.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 04-13-2008 07:16 PM

I don't think TV has anything to do with ADHD, honestly.  If anything, ADHD makes it easier to keep yourself entertained, or it certainly did for me.  It was about a five minute walk to my elementary school, but sometimes there would be little streams from melting snow, or blowing leaves or little frozen puddles in the gutters and I would end up playing games like breaking the ice in a particular order (actually the order was always 'whatever I felt like) and then I'd arrive at school two hours late to the great distress and puzzlement of all adults involved.

Also, I'm pretty sure ADHD has as solid a physical/neurological basis as ASD, check the wiki page.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - earthmonkey - 04-13-2008 09:00 PM

Marcia Wrote:

honestjohn Wrote:
I think (may be a controvesial thought) that alot of the kids classified as ADHD, are ADHD like, but not gentically born ADHD, the environment they are in makes them act as such. (parental techniques, starting a kid at school too soon, too much Tv at 1 year old etc., ) While there are many ADHD that no changes in parenting will change.  Just an opinion.  (whereas ASD is not a parent issue, in any cases, it has a physical/nuerological basis)  Nurture Vs. nature.


I would tend to agree with this, in some cases anyway.  

I've seen concern expressed in the media about the number of children dxed as ADHD and medicated when it may simply be the case that adults are failing to realise that children do have loads of energy and if they are denied the opportunity to run that energy off or express themselves as children should then their activities will become more destructive.  They say that children are given much less freedom these days just to be children and to enjoy unsupervised, or minimally supervised outdoor play.  Instead they are kept indoors and expected to act more like mini-adults than as children.  Medication is used to keep them placid and more controllable. Better to let them run about in the park for an afternoon and burn off all that energy!

Btw, I'm not saying this applies to all children dxed as ADHD, but quite possibly to some.


I think this is true for those who have been misdiagnosed with ADHD, while for people who the diagnosis fits probably wouldn't make any difference. Especially the school system, expects kids to have to sit still for way too long at a time.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-14-2008 06:45 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
I don't think TV has anything to do with ADHD, honestly.  If anything, ADHD makes it easier to keep yourself entertained, or it certainly did for me.  It was about a five minute walk to my elementary school, but sometimes there would be little streams from melting snow, or blowing leaves or little frozen puddles in the gutters and I would end up playing games like breaking the ice in a particular order (actually the order was always 'whatever I felt like) and then I'd arrive at school two hours late to the great distress and puzzlement of all adults involved.

Also, I'm pretty sure ADHD has as solid a physical/neurological basis as ASD, check the wiki page.


I definitely agree with this.

On a related note, I think of myself as more of an AS/ADHD hybrid, although my ADHD is predominantly inattentive.

Oddly enough, classic ADHD meds like amphetamines overwhelm my senses, make me paranoid, euphoric, and hyper at low doses.  The effect I got from Ritalin was an absolute nightmare--the paranoia was extreme and would last for up to 5 hours.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - outsideL00kinN - 04-14-2008 02:50 PM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
I don't think TV has anything to do with ADHD, honestly.  If anything, ADHD makes it easier to keep yourself entertained, or it certainly did for me.  It was about a five minute walk to my elementary school, but sometimes there would be little streams from melting snow, or blowing leaves or little frozen puddles in the gutters and I would end up playing games like breaking the ice in a particular order (actually the order was always 'whatever I felt like) and then I'd arrive at school two hours late to the great distress and puzzlement of all adults involved.

Absolutely! There are such fascinating little details all around, there's really not enough time to investigate them all. I have always been baffled when people say that they are "bored". Of course, I think reading the cereal box for the hundredth time is still interesting, so...



Batman55 Wrote:
I think of myself as more of an AS/ADHD hybrid, although my ADHD is predominantly inattentive.

Oddly enough, classic ADHD meds like amphetamines overwhelm my senses, make me paranoid, euphoric, and hyper at low doses.  The effect I got from Ritalin was an absolute nightmare--the paranoia was extreme and would last for up to 5 hours.

I'm an AS/ADHD hybrid, too. My med experience was very different, though. I take Adderal 30mg 4x/d, and I get the classical ADHD paraxoxical effect with it - it calms me down. I was never physically hyperactive, though, just hyperactive in thought. The meds do not address the inattention, however - still as distractible as ever, just at a little slower pace.

This is another thing I wouldn't want to be "cured" of. If the "cure" is a sentence to be forever bored and to find most things uninteresting, why would I want that? Tongue


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - honestjohn - 04-14-2008 03:22 PM

outsidelookingin - why did you want to medicate the "hyperatcuve thought" if it doesn't stop the inattention? Is there a benefit to you, as a school aged person, as an adult? What part of you calms down if you were not physcially hyperactive?  Does it (adderol) do something positive? calms senses, stop anxiety? (sorry if this is too personal, don't feel obliged to answer)


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-15-2008 06:52 AM

outsideL00kinN Wrote:
I'm an AS/ADHD hybrid, too. My med experience was very different, though. I take Adderal 30mg 4x/d, and I get the classical ADHD paraxoxical effect with it - it calms me down. I was never physically hyperactive, though, just hyperactive in thought. The meds do not address the inattention, however - still as distractible as ever, just at a little slower pace.

This is another thing I wouldn't want to be "cured" of. If the "cure" is a sentence to be forever bored and to find most things uninteresting, why would I want that? Tongue


I don't quite understand you guys... I find a lot of things boring.  However I can entertain myself in my own head a lot, so I can see where you get the "ADHD kids entertain themselves better than NTs" etc... but some things are so boring and uninteresting to me, I cannot retain basic information about such topics.  Hence, the extreme difficulty I had in school... if I felt a topic was boring, I wouldn't learn anything.

Perhaps it is that the things which interest me, interest me MUCH more than the average person.  But the effect must be similar for things that bore me.  I do notice that I am drawn to examine as much visual stimuli in the environment as I can, I am always turning my head everywhere I go and "notice" more.

Question for outsidelookingin: why do you suppose that some people with inattentive ADHD (like me) don't get the paradoxical calming effect?  Could it perhaps be related to some physiological reason; perhaps an inherited sensitivity to the stimulant class of drugs, something like that?

Because my sensitivity to stimulants is unusual:  I get euphoric from average doses of caffeine.  Even just 10mg of Ritalin/Dexedrine is overpowering and not very calming at all, in fact it became dangerous for my health eventually.  But that's another story.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-15-2008 06:53 AM

Stimulants usually excite my senses and increase anxiety.

I am confused.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - IlluSionS667 - 04-24-2008 01:13 PM

Batman55 Wrote:
I think it is non-Aspie.  Personally, if you pull me away from my hyperfocused state, it is very hard for me to get back into it.


Is hyperfocussing a common Aspie trait? You are the first I see mentioning it and I find this quite peculiar since I do it almost always whenever I have to do something I suck at or whenever I want to perform better than usual. And yeah, it sometimes takes a lot of preparation and can easily be messed up by disturbances.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 04-25-2008 08:06 AM

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Batman55 Wrote:
I think it is non-Aspie.  Personally, if you pull me away from my hyperfocused state, it is very hard for me to get back into it.


Is hyperfocussing a common Aspie trait? You are the first I see mentioning it and I find this quite peculiar since I do it almost always whenever I have to do something I suck at or whenever I want to perform better than usual. And yeah, it sometimes takes a lot of preparation and can easily be messed up by disturbances.


In a word:  Yes.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - IlluSionS667 - 04-25-2008 10:12 AM

Batman55 Wrote:
In a word:  Yes.


Cool Big Grin


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 05-22-2008 05:52 AM

Restore this soul from Purgatory!

RESURRECTION!*

Well, had discussion with parent, am now pretty sure the AS diagnosis is accurate, as was the person who diagnosed me (apparently not the same person as the AD-NOS.)  So the thread title should now read 'Stupid Diagnosis' but it's ok as it is because the Anxiety Disorder thing is stupid enough to count as two.


*This is the incantation for Resurrection from Tales of Symphonia.  Be glad, the original text was 'C-C-CARDOPULMONARY RESUSCITABUMP' because I thought it wasn't quite dead yet.

(**Edited to fix tags, no shame-dying necessary - Zakkie**)



RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 05-22-2008 05:53 AM

Ack, what?  I failed to get the tags right?  I might die of shame.

Why didn't it stick the unfinished one at the end of the post, I'd like to know.  That would have corrected the error.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 05-22-2008 06:34 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
Ack, what?  I failed to get the tags right?  I might die of shame.

Why didn't it stick the unfinished one at the end of the post, I'd like to know.  That would have corrected the error.


Just a few weeks ago you reached the conclusion that you "don't think" you have Asperger's.  What made you change your mind, apart from whatever discussion you had with your parents?


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 05-22-2008 06:52 AM

Well, I kind of recognized that a bunch of things I never considered unusual are aspie traits.  Like, I can communicate just fine about things and issues and such, but not so well about personal stuff.  Also, I really really don't care what other people think of me, which is kind of an empathy/theory of mind thing; I never think about what others are thinking.  I think I just don't notice that I don't catch social cues; I can't figure out what others are thinking but I mostly don't care much either, so it cancels out a bit.

Also I realized that 'well the people who I hang out with are weirder than I am' is a terrible argument.'  And even if they are poorer at communicating they mostly have much more social drive than me.  And sentence fragments and repetitive structure are extremely cool.

For example, that was really hard to write.  A short essay on the impact of the French Revolution would probably have been easier.  Much easier, actually, I could just dig up my last one.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 05-22-2008 07:38 AM

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
Well, I kind of recognized that a bunch of things I never considered unusual are aspie traits.  Like, I can communicate just fine about things and issues and such, but not so well about personal stuff.  Also, I really really don't care what other people think of me, which is kind of an empathy/theory of mind thing; I never think about what others are thinking.  I think I just don't notice that I don't catch social cues; I can't figure out what others are thinking but I mostly don't care much either, so it cancels out a bit.

Also I realized that 'well the people who I hang out with are weirder than I am' is a terrible argument.'  And even if they are poorer at communicating they mostly have much more social drive than me.  And sentence fragments and repetitive structure are extremely cool.

For example, that was really hard to write.  A short essay on the impact of the French Revolution would probably have been easier.  Much easier, actually, I could just dig up my last one.


I find I can write fairly well about myself--introspection comes easy.  About other people and trying to show empathy and concern for them, a lot harder.  It just "doesn't feel right."  I don't often know where to begin.  I have a lot of trouble seeing things from another person's perspective, basically.

About what others think:  I can't figure out what people are thinking, either, but I do care what they think about *me.*  Because I don't want to embarrass myself and say the wrong thing, or be seen as an idiot.  If I'm not careful, I can say weird or stupid things, and I don't want to give that impression to people.  So I overthink things and analyze everything so I'm able to say the "proper" thing in social interactions, and this causes a lot of anxiety.  It can be excruciating, the amount of "extra" thinking I have to do to stay on course.

But trust me, if I didn't do the "heavy analysis" in social interaction, I wouldn't have an autopilot to rely on and my "mask" would disappear.  You can see the anxiety that comes from this.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Ettina - 07-09-2008 12:01 AM

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On the other hand I have near-perfect balance, an impeccable sense of direction (I spend much of my time wandering unfamiliar suburbs alone on roller skates), good motor skills both gross and fine (although my handwriting is appalling,) a good sense of rhythm and timing, good colour judgment, and at least a rudimentary ability to know when to talk and when to shut up in conversation.  Also I understand eye contact bothers some people but it has less affect on me than on most NTs.  I do stare sometimes but I'll recognise I must be bothering the other person.


None of those rule out Asperger Syndrome.
Making eye contact, rudimentary social understanding, etc indicate better social skills than the stereotype of Asperger Syndrome, but if you still have social impairment you'd just be mild AS.
I've found (from personal experience) that it's hard to self-assess social skills. Have you tried filling out an online test with someone else who knows you well? You might find you've been underestimating how autistic you are.
On the other hand, autistic traits are common in ADHD. In addition to inattentiveness, hyperfocusing on an area of interest can be seen in ADHD. The big difference is that social problems for ADHDers are caused by inattentiveness or impulsiveness, not lack of understanding.
If you're not AS, you are probably gifted/ADHD, as someone else suggested.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 07-09-2008 06:50 AM

You're right, I've come to realize I haven't a hope of self-assessing this.  I'm pretty sure of the diagnosis now, though.

Anxiety disorder is still a load of crap.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Shnoing - 07-09-2008 04:21 PM

Did you have a look at the ICD-10? Perhaps you can guess somehow what 'triggered' the thought about Anxiety with your doc?

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F41 Other anxiety disorders
Disorders in which manifestation of anxiety is the major symptom and is not restricted to any particular environmental situation. Depressive and obsessional symptoms, and even some elements of phobic anxiety, may also be present, provided that they are clearly secondary or less severe.
...
F41.9 Anxiety disorder, unspecified
Anxiety NOS


Some behaviour which is due to being an Aspie might be interpreted as being a symptom of anxiety, I think.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Alias Pseudonym - 07-09-2008 07:23 PM

He might have (really badly) misread my body language, or misinterpreted my childhood 'dammit you changed something slightly I don't have to deal with this anymore' episodes as anxiety (which they weren't--they were reactions to unexplained and unanticipated changed.  If I was ready for the changed I'd do fine.)

What really bugs me about the diagnosis is that it's not only wrong, it's the exact opposite of the way I am.  I get anxious much less than most people do.  Only when approaching something new and alien and very important that I know I'm likely to have trouble with (like a job interview) do I get mild stomach butterflies.  The level of stress that makes many people freeze up on important exams makes me work better because it forces me to pay real attention to the questions and I'm less likely to misread them.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Parvati - 07-11-2008 04:52 AM

I'm new.  This website is pretty cool.  Someone mentioned they have a terrible sense of direction.  So do I.  But mine has a twist like a magnetic reversal or something.  I just go 180 degrees about face from the way it feels like I should go.  I think I'm aspie but not sure.  


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - micgrace - 07-11-2008 05:04 AM

Welcome parvati. look up (google) aspies quiz. That will give you an idea.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Callista - 07-11-2008 04:39 PM

You could check out the official diagnostic criteria. Keep in mind that to say "yes" to a symptom you have to have it in a significant way--something that you have to work around somehow, or something that interferes with your life, or something you do a lot more, worse, or less than other people. There's a gray area between autism and not-autism that describes a lot of people with autistic traits who aren't quite autistic...

Anyway, welcome Smile


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - ethereal - 07-11-2008 11:07 PM

Callista Wrote:
There's a gray area between autism and not-autism that describes a lot of people with autistic traits who aren't quite autistic...

I've come to the conclusion that's where I am, in the gray area.  Sometimes I wish I was just one or the other.


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 07-12-2008 07:11 AM

Callista Wrote:
You could check out the official diagnostic criteria. Keep in mind that to say "yes" to a symptom you have to have it in a significant way--something that you have to work around somehow, or something that interferes with your life, or something you do a lot more, worse, or less than other people. There's a gray area between autism and not-autism that describes a lot of people with autistic traits who aren't quite autistic...

Anyway, welcome Smile


Which official diagnostic criteria are you referring to, here?  DSM, ICD10, etc etc...


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Parvati - 07-12-2008 06:10 PM

On the aspie quiz I scored 167/200 aspie and 38/200 normal.   All it
shows is that I'm far from normal.  Possibly somewhere on the spectrum, possibly not.

I feel that I'm toxic to most people and I know they are toxic to me.  Maybe I'm just an anti-social misfit living somewhere in the gray area.
Not normal.  Not on the spectrum.

But I think otherwise.  I don't put much faith in the opinions and diagnostic abilities of psychologists/counselors.  It would be nice if all humans were encouranged to maximize their potential without threat of "cure".

I'm ashamed to be human.  A woman may feel she is stuck in the body of a man.  A man may feel he is stuck in the body of a woman.  I feel like some alien creature stuck in the body of a human.  I think I would be much happier as a bird, cat, dolphin or elephant.  Maybe not an elephant because humans seem to delight in torturing them.  Actually humans seem to delight in torturing everything including and especially each other.

I feel that I made a wrong turn somewhere and I'm now stranded on this planet.  Lucky for me there are a ton of other people in the same position and maybe just maybe I can connect up with them and not make a mess of it.

Painful though it is, I'm making an effort to improve my social skills.  Although I'd rather be trying to communicate with dolphins or elephants.  My 2 cats are wonderful and they're teaching me how to talk to them.  They think I'm a little slow to follow their lead but they give me credit for trying.  Which is more than I can say of [most] people.


  


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - silky - 07-12-2008 06:44 PM

Parvati Wrote:
  Someone mentioned they have a terrible sense of direction.  


I was directionless even before Garcia died. Smile


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Batman55 - 07-13-2008 06:45 AM

Parvati Wrote:
On the aspie quiz I scored 167/200 aspie and 38/200 normal.   All it
shows is that I'm far from normal.  Possibly somewhere on the spectrum, possibly not.


You scored higher than I did, and I scored 162/200 aspie.

Why would you consider yourself decidedly off the spectrum, and in a gray area instead?


RE: Stupid Diagnoses. - Parvati - 07-13-2008 05:12 PM

Batman55 -  thanks for your reply.  I just don't know yet what I am and what would be the benefit of determining a clinical diagnosis.  In layman's terms I'm definitely loner, misfit, anti-social but what I am clinically at this point is debatable.  Seems I hang out primarily in the gray area and pop through into the Aspie realm whenever I feel inspired.  Yeah I think a major Aspie attribute is inspiration.  Mostly I'm just bored with it all.  So when I make an excursion into the Aspie world I feel better.   But if I don't hang out there most of the time maybe I'm really just a normal who isn't satisfied being normal and I need to learn how to express myself better.

Social interaction is usually painful and unsuccessful.  As long as I don't need anything from people I can avoid them or if contact is necessary I can appear normal, no prob.  But when I need something from people I act in ways that are self defeating, make people want to get away from me ASAP.  [Normal] people and me are mutually toxic but it only causes problems when I need something from them.

I'd love to find out how I alienate [normal] people and whay I hate them [normals] so much.  It is because of this that I'm looking for non-normal, non-typical people that might be able to explain what's going on.  I desperately need help to function on this planet and I don't want to be medicated or "cured".