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hyke Wrote:
Quote from the psychologist:

"Everyone has some autistic traits. You just shouldn't take it serious!"



That rainbow spectrum huh? My first pychiatrist told me I could not have a pervasive development disorder (her words not mine, I used asperger's) because if I did I would not have any friends, would not have ever had a boyfriend, my service user's would hate me, when I said well I had a crap relationship which bordered on abusive she that was a normal thing, to add  insult to injury she also said I would not have been able to have done an art's degree (I did History - to correct her is a humantities subject that comes under the 'arts' faculty).  So I changed pychiatrist, paid for a private referral to class and her I am diagnosed HFA, shame I lost a lot of these friends/mates/actuances who ditched my obessessive need to prove the pychiatrist wrong (they could not believe I had told the professional's to fxxk off....).

hyke Wrote:
Oh, I'm married for years and years now, probably to another aspie.
And I happened to talk to a former collegue, married and with children 6 and 4, he just got diagnosed. And he could tell how all kinds of therapy he and his wife had had did not work because his autism wasn't recognized. He's a psychology student btw.


Funny you should mention that.  I've been to a lot of therapy in my time and there's very little that "gets through"... it just doesn't seem to "connect" with my mind, either that or my therapists think I'm just socially anxious NT.

Therapy, in general, does not work for me.  I don't agree with most of it (I'm Enneagram Type 6--the questioner) and the advice I do agree with, I don't know how to use.

So what the hell are you seeing a psychiatrist for?  To help you?  or get an official diagnosis?   This person is not helping you by being misinformed.

Marieke Wrote:

M Wrote:
So what the hell are you seeing a psychiatrist for?  To help you?  or get an official diagnosis?   This person is not helping you by being misinformed.


She's merely my SSRI prescription writing machine. Smile That's what most psychiatrists are nowadays, aren't they?


I was encouraged to add Wellbutrin onto my Paxil regimen (as a combination) a couple years ago, but never did because I'm too reliant on other substances (caffeine a major one.)  Having a mix of prescription psychoactives can cause some unexpected effects when other drugs are used.  Or so I have read.

It seems too risky with Wellbutrin anyhow, because of the seizure threshold.

Marieke Wrote:

jewelie Wrote:
Marieke, this glass is half full, because you don't want your baby labeled before birth, even!  


Huh? Not sure what you mean...


Oh, not a big point, just that your psychiatrist thought you were worried about your baby having an ASD and she said not to worry, which, though I think she is wrong about estimating the incidence, I do think it's a good idea for her to think your baby will be NT, or she might call in the interventionists, like happened with me, and was very very very unpleasant.

Ignore me, I'm in incoherent land right now, and probably read your initial post wrong.

Psychiatrists tend to believe they are God. They know everything, so why should they bother to learn anything?

"She's merely my SSRI prescription writing machine" is right. I go on google, research what I want, and he writes the prescription. I think I could go in and say "I've been reading about this stuff called 'heroin'...'" and he'd say, "Oh. Yes. Well, I can get you some of that."
The stupidity and ego is never-ending is it??  ::sigh::

This is my BIGGEST pet peeve regarding ASDs: professionals who are not experienced enough to reliably diagnose ASDs and yet they suddenly think because they've read the DSM, ICD, and have "met a person with autism", they're perfectly capable and don't need to refer you on to anyone who knows more than they do! ARGH.

I went through round after round of this (a psychiatrist, a psychologist, a therapist, and a social worker) till I figured out I needed to research more about WHO I went to for diagnosis and really needed someone who basically just does "autism", all ranges, both sexes, 24 hours a day. So I went to a local ASD center, they interviewed me, my mother, and I walked out (well, 3 weeks later) with a full assessment confirming my AS. And then later on I went to my mother's colleague for the official stamp (she wasn't experienced enough but she's humble enough and respects my mother and me so she really listened and agreed with the assessment's recommendations for diagnosis).

Unfortunately, experienced diagnosticians are so few and far between that even doing research about diagnositicians before seeking one out for dx isn't a guarantee you'll find one within your area.

And speaking of that USA Today article, those professionals were infuriating. ESPECIALLY Bryna Seigel of the Autism Center in San Fran who is UNdxing people! Grrrr...

Max the Bear Wrote:
Psychiatrists tend to believe they are God. They know everything, so why should they bother to learn anything?

"She's merely my SSRI prescription writing machine" is right. I go on google, research what I want, and he writes the prescription. I think I could go in and say "I've been reading about this stuff called 'heroin'...'" and he'd say, "Oh. Yes. Well, I can get you some of that."


I could use a lot of different things right now, what with an aggravating health problem that won't fix itself on its own.  I need some damn relief and a way to feel "okay" again.

Although certainly any kind of opiate with an SSRI (as I currently take Paxil) is an extremely bad idea, and very dangerous.

Apparently cannabis (from some of my own research) does not agree well with SSRIs, either.

kylo4 Wrote:

Batman55 Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
Psychiatrists tend to believe they are God. They know everything, so why should they bother to learn anything?

"She's merely my SSRI prescription writing machine" is right. I go on google, research what I want, and he writes the prescription. I think I could go in and say "I've been reading about this stuff called 'heroin'...'" and he'd say, "Oh. Yes. Well, I can get you some of that."


With Strattera you can't eat grapefruit while on it or it messes you up. I just found that odd. Alcohol is also a bad idea with any anti-psychotic medication, since it enhances the amount of alcohol you've consumed by a significant amount making you drunker.

I could use a lot of different things right now, what with an aggravating health problem that won't fix itself on its own.  I need some damn relief and a way to feel "okay" again.

Although certainly any kind of opiate with an SSRI (as I currently take Paxil) is an extremely bad idea, and very dangerous.

Apparently cannabis (from some of my own research) does not agree well with SSRIs, either.


Perhaps I should be looking into Strattera instead of Wellbutrin, in that case.

I think most ADHD kids without medication will have academic problems at some point, especially in the 10th/11th grades when things become very demanding; correct me if I'm wrong.

kylo4 Wrote:
Batman, for your own safety, please do not take Straterra. That is an Eli Lilly drug number one, and two it will damage you. It gave me hallucinations (only when tired), made my heart beat uncontrollably and didn't work at all.

I demanded my doctor take me off it and he said he was getting several complaints, that one guy on Stratterra took all of the screens off in his house, put them in a pile and burned them for no apparent reason. I really should take legal action against this doctor. Come on. Is that supposed to be funny to tell me that after I took the thing? That's the one drug that's done the most damage. I stopped taking it two years ago and have never looked back. I don't any medication for anything anymore (before it was just for ad/hd and anxiety) which I don't have ad/hd so it was useless.



What's up with Eli Lilly?  Maybe I haven't been keeping up with the news or something, as I have no idea.

kylo4 Wrote:
Research Zyprexa and you'll know what I'm talking about. I was on that too for a reason I don't understand. I now have to sue Eli Lilly because I have to have surgery because of that drug. I hope my doctor is questioned as well.


It looks like a drug used for those with risk of developing longterm psychosis, and you're right, I don't see why you'd be given that.

Perhaps I should feel lucky that my AS has always been in the mild/moderate range, and very few outward symptoms have been observable.  I feel sorry for you, mate.

I know it's none of my business but what condition did you develop as a result of Zyprexa?  I am a very curious person and I can be prying, so you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Marieke Wrote:
Oh, btw, these psychiatrists I've seen are doing their residencies or internships or w/e... they're fresh out of med school.

Sophist Wrote:
And speaking of that USA Today article, those professionals were infuriating. ESPECIALLY Bryna Seigel of the Autism Center in San Fran who is UNdxing people! Grrrr...


I was wondering what was the point of UNdxing people... personally I'm not looking for an official diagnosis (not sure what the point of one would be, other than to jeopardize me and my baby's freedom), I just wanted feedback from somebody other than my husband and people online.

I saw my psychologist (the head of the counseling center at the university) on Tuesday and he was rather annoyed with what I told him about my psychiatrist's attitude (he's her new 'boss' for the rest of the year till the end of June). So he might talk to her and beat some humility into her or something. <grin>

My psychologist basically said that he wasn't an expert with Asperger's and such, but he DID listen to me. He thinks that I'm too good at reading and using body language and such, but he isn't sure. He also thinks it doesn't matter all that much whether I'm diagnosable or not... if reading about it helps me, then I should read about it, is his opinion (I agree). He thinks that my husband is more likely to be an Aspie, but has seen him only twice (iirc) over a year ago, so wasn't all that sure. I agree that my husband is more Aspie than me... Personally I think I'm really close to the diagnosable/undiagnosable line... just don't know on which side.

I finished reading "Aspergers in love" by Aston (iirc) a couple of days ago... All the NT women married to AS guys say their husband doesn't understand them (at all)... whereas I feel that my husband is the only person that DOES understand me. He understands me very well (though not perfectly). And iiuc there are three things that make AS harder to recognize in people... being an adult, being female, and being highly intelligent... all three of which supposedly apply to me. <grin> Also, I do well in one on one interactions with people I get along with... which is the only situation my psych has seen me in (aside from two sessions with my husband there as well). W/e. Smile


In a lot of ways I'm really close to the diagnosable/undiagnosable line, and not sure what to do about it because I keep coming up with internal arguments of whether I am AS or something like ADD/Avoidant PD instead.

Like you I'm not sure about an official DX.

What to do about this, seeing as I need certainty/closure on things?  An Aspie trait, for sure.

hyke Wrote:
Wow Marieke, I would have been pissed of if my mom talked like that.

I'm waiting for a diagnosis, and then all of a sudden I think, no way, I'm not on the spectrum. There's so much I can do. And then I know that the things I can do are also not NT. Like how I used to greet everyone as a kid. Only stopped doing that somewhere in my twenties. I'm a very fysical person, far more than most NT. I need touch. If I don't fit a characteristic, I seem to do the opposite. And that might be the same stereotypical behaviour in disguise.

My husband is the only one I can really talk to about 'life'. I think he is on the spectrum, or developed the traits because of strange, very isolated childhood. Probably both.

We both have a tendency to find structure everywhere, but also to think it through till were the structure does not fit anymore. We are doubters. We doubt everything, so I doubt every diagnosis aswell. Sometimes I think its this doubting, that makes it possible to live. There is no fixed right path, we just have to find our own way.

And that adult, intelligent, female stuff. Yes it does make it harder to diagnose, but it probably made it possible to get as far as you did without help too.

So not being perfect? Welcome to the real world, nobody is (grin). At least you know it.


I'm adult, intelligent, and male, but I haven't gotten very far, relatively speaking.

Hmph.

jewelie Wrote:
HAH!!!  Gotcha, Batman!!!  You admitted you're intelligent, here for all the world to see, and you can't edit it.


Well, the admittance was a bit of a joke.

Batman55 Wrote:

jewelie Wrote:
HAH!!!  Gotcha, Batman!!!  You admitted you're intelligent, here for all the world to see, and you can't edit it.


Well, the admittance was a bit of a joke.



And, as usual, Aspie denseness prevents me from getting the joke.
But it was TRUE.

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