Aspies For Freedom

I am very wary of people taking the X-Men's rather cartoonish and grossly oversimplified take on liberation movements as meaning much of anything about reality, much as I like the series otherwise.

I might generalize right now (they're doing it too anyway) but I think they're mostly teenagers.

being autistic or aspergic does not mean a person is going to be any better to know than an NT person,am put through agony,daily by a lady with mild aspergic traits [non diagnosed,cause she doesn't have enough traits,but staff know about it,her problem is with attention seeking].everyday-at her best-she will be shouting out everything she wants to say all day from the time she gets up till the time she goes to bed,using her electric tooth brush in hall,which the noise sets off meltdown in am.

now she's off college,will mess am routines up [go on computer in afternoon,when that is always time for am,and she will stay on it till night time,to try and stop am using it] -again,another meltdown setoff,am have now took the mouse away,it was from own collection-not hers,she hasn't been able to use pc for a while because of that,only am can use it,lend mouse to staff or the boys when they want to use it though.

at her worst,in one day-she follows am around,and screams to set off a meltdown, then she does it again,when come out of that and it carries on like that till she is tired,as it takes too many staff to restrain am,even if there are enough in,they can't restrain her to drag her off to her room as she reports them for sexual abuse [which is not true],she also presses the door bell over and over to set off a meltdown,poos in her bedroom,eats some of it,and starts throwing it at everyone and everything,gets sick and rubs it in her hair and sometimes throws it at people,moves things in my room about which sets off a meltdown,shouts every word in the house rather than speaking,screams when she doesn't get her own way so that staff then let her do whatever it is.

Managers only started to listen to am about the agony she puts am through when she accidentally started a meltdown in am when she was too close to am,and ended up KOed,and covered in her blood,it was that-and probably the legal action threatened by sister and dad had something to do with it.
Why did they not care about the skull fractures,wrist fractures,wrist strains and bedroom wall that has been mostly demolished by am head in meltdowns,yet when it was her that ended up hurt,they do everything for her.
she is a terrible human being.



NTs-they're not all bad or all conformists,they can be immature and abusive,but so can Autistics.

There is one situation where an Aspie abusing an NT should be tolerated - and that's when the Aspie is acting in self defence, and/or taking on the role of "treating them the way they treat you".

It's a reflection on our poor social skills. We learn through experience, and a lot of NT's (especially the intolerant ones) won't pay attention if we "beat about the bush" (so to speak). Ignoring doesn't always work either, although it depends on how you go about that and what's available especially online.

So in effect, the only way we know how to tell someone we're upset or angry is to fire back in kind. It's not the best way, but for some of us it could be the only way.

Appreciate the open mind all.

Mom of Hrick

Some Aspies are mean to other Aspies too. I had that happen when on another forum. They were writing really bad things and giving bad advice and when I disagreed, it caused big fights.

It's sort of patched over for now but I think they are starting again. The new moderator of that section said he thought I was in the right but had to be told off so that the whingers wouldn't keep on with it. I wonder if these people were true aspies or wannabee aspies but perhaps they are borderline and/or have co-morbid mental illnesses.

They were also going to a bad aspie site called I2 and spammed some new sites that were set up by ex WP members.

KingdomOfRats, the lady you wrote about seems to have really bad traits. If she isn't autistic, she must have a mental illness instead.

Naturally! Same applies to NT's. With us it can be nastier - because we are inherently "narrow minded" due to our social issues. Of course some are more narrow minded than others. There is also the issue of experience in life - which differs as well (that also applies to NT's). For us Aspies it can magnify the differences to where agreement is just completely impossible. That's when agreeing to disagree can come in handy.

I can be pretty stubborn - as most on this board know. But only when my life experience is questioned, as distinct from my opinions. I think (and apologies to anyone who doesn't like being spoken for) most of us will defend our experiences to the hilt. Because without our social skills working properly it's all we have to go on to cope.

tenaciousj,what kind of mental illness does it sound more like?
she has obsessions,she is obsessed with manchester united,buses,babies,a teacher at her college,her college,recycling,collecting batteries.
have been told she will only eat things that are yellow,but she has non yellow coloured food in the fridge and freezer.
things like scissors,pictures with glass on the front,sharp knives etc are not allowed in the house as she will use them on her self to go to hospital so she can talk to nurses,and get attention from them.
she actually likes going to the dentist,for the same reason.
she says she is sick a lot,to get staff to give her attention.
she likes chatting all the time [unless she has got food in her mouth],and is very sociable.
she has learning difficulties,but can read,write,use a computer,put music on her mpplayer....
does this sound anything like williams syndrome?

I do think that NT-bashing is a bizarre concept. Most people are NT (at least 99%). My girlfriend, my best mates and my little girl is NT. It REALLY pisses me off when I hear blanket derogatory comments aimed at NT's. I like many of you folk here and enjoy your company, but if I had to choose sides between any of you and anyone of those NT individuals I would choose them because my connection and loyalty to them is far stronger.

It is never fair being bullied by anyone and UNLESS you did something to deserve it, you ought to fight back against it. Of course it is always wise to pick and choose your fights, where possible.
I think that we ought to be able to accept that as individuals we owe it to ourselves to be able to fight back by ourselves "on our own two feet". I have had many bullies back down when I learned sometimes inviting a male bully to step outside to settle a dispute (and mean it) is enough to stop the issue in it's tracks.
Similarly I have found that something simple like not taking an insult and pulling up the issuer of the insult to explain themselves often leads to back-tracking or hurried apologies.
Playing a victim role or using the "autism (disabled) card" is a sure fired way to both lose respect and have the bully believe they were right to behave in a way you see as intolerable.
Of course sometimes you will get involved in an un-winnable situation whereby you lose the argument or cop a hiding in the fight outside. In most of these instances though you at least kept your integrity, self-esteem and were not seen as an easy mark.

And there are instances where the opposite applies - as I have experience personally (not here on this forum I hasten to point out!). It's why I don't work. Lack of protection from the above behaviour.

Yeah. Giving up is always another option Timelord. It is just one I don't practice. It is not one I teach my little HFA boy. It is also the reason I guess most of my positions I have worked in whilst being very social and extremely stressful and taxing for me, I end up succeeding in anyhow. I am prepared if need be to cop a hiding to my stress levels each day if need be.

I am certainly not one to give up, Rossco! But I am also not one to risk severe health problems - such as a nervous breakdown for example. Add to that physical health issues related to stress (in my gut - and that almost killed me) and the result is that jobs that have an inherent requirement for social skills are just not on my radar. And that eliminates 99 percent of employment available. The other one percent requires qualifications that I don't - and will never - have. I'm fighting to change that and bring back the jobs that have disappeared under the move towards multiskilling and shared work places.

And I would add to that, Zakkie, and say that it's a form of assimilation. We are after all a part of a different culture because of our inherent differences. We want to assimilate, but there are some NT's who won't let us. It's why the argument that is sometimes tossed at them about being "racist" carries so much weight even though by strict definition only it's not correct.

EvilZakkie you are very right. We do need to be members of society! We get much from our lives from society and to even consider an us and them mentality is very silly and irrational. In any society it is made up of individuals - good and bad. We must be individuals ourself and be a part of the society we live in. When we talk of NT's we are talking about society (or at least 99% of it).  
We will find it difficult to fit in but we are not a separate community living on a rock somewhere we too are part of the society and need to get along and make something of ourselves.
Best things in life are worth the challenges, stresses, difficulties and the risk.
Society can beat down any individual if they let it. I like the long haul and the hard work because I like the rewards.