Most of us auties here have been treated with extreme prejudice. Some of us have even gone through some traumatising, emotionally scarring incident involving prejudice towards autistics.
However, I don't think that we should act that way towards NTs.
I have seen comments from many autistic people, rather vile comments, that ridicule and hurt NT's.
Recently, someone sent me a message hoping that I would agree with them. They had written to me about how NT's are all conformists. It offended my sister and I.
I have pride in my Autsm but that doesn't mean I have to be a jerk about it.
Now I doubt that a lot of people here think in that way. I'm sure many of you agree with me.
I just worry that there are some individuals who forget that neurodiversity doesn't just belong to autism and that NT's, infact, everybody should feel included as well.
Lets try to be a little nicer to each other, shall we?
Let's learn a lesson from the X-Men trilogy OK? Give the NTs a break if they come in peace.
To put it simply accually. I just don't like people. Auties or NTs <<
Just because SOME NTs (or non-mutants in X3) are MEAN doesn't justify a holy war against them all. I do not like being single like a helium atom, being invisible like the Stealth Fighter, and I know I did not like being treated as invisible over 8 years ago in the job market. (Aug 10 is a special day, 8th anniversary of me at DTI Associates, owned by Haverstick of Carmel (Indianapolis) Indiana since 2004).
One very attractive, nice woman in a wheelchair told me she felt invisible too. I hope she feels noticed now. (Snif, too bad she's not a Christian)
Look, I get upset too sometimes in their world. But let's not bash all the NTs, just the ones who prove they need it.
I think people in targeted groups -- groups thought of as "minorities" -- often go through a stage (short or long) of hostility toward the group that targets them.
I've seen it with racial groups, sexual orientation groups, etc... Generally we start out trying to "be like them" or fit in with them. We're told there's something wrong with us, they tell us they are better than we are. Eventually, we reject their judgment of us and become "ourselves" and form an identity distinct from "them." Often, hostility is a step in that process.
Studies show that it's a normal part of identity formation, coming to identify and accept/respect one's self as part of one's own group and rejecting the other group.
LOL 8ball that site is made of win!
I think people in targeted groups -- groups thought of as "minorities" -- often go through a stage (short or long) of hostility toward the group that targets them.
I've seen it with racial groups, sexual orientation groups, etc... Generally we start out trying to "be like them" or fit in with them. We're told there's something wrong with us, they tell us they are better than we are. Eventually, we reject their judgment of us and become "ourselves" and form an identity distinct from "them." Often, hostility is a step in that process.
Studies show that it's a normal part of identity formation, coming to identify and accept/respect one's self as part of one's own group and rejecting the other group.
Thanks Max. Let's agree that there is such a thing as righteous anger. The guy who created that web site has a point, a big one. When I started reading all of the expert stuff about autism, and realizing that these people believe these lies and poorly researched "findings", and that they are seeing my precious, amazing, wonderful four year old daughter in these terms makes me FURIOUS. Not at all NTs, just the frickin' "experts". And it is this expert BS that trickles down to the masses of NTs and cause them to have the same misconceptions. And children are being HURT every day in the name of curing them. So, I DO think it's fair to defend oneself, one's family, and one's group. Period.
Hello,
I completely agree with Kurai-Gaka. Everyone has the right to respect and tolerance. Asperger’s, Neurotypical, etc.
Will
There is one situation where an Aspie abusing an NT should be tolerated - and that's when the Aspie is acting in self defence, and/or taking on the role of "treating them the way they treat you".
It's a reflection on our poor social skills. We learn through experience, and a lot of NT's (especially the intolerant ones) won't pay attention if we "beat about the bush" (so to speak). Ignoring doesn't always work either, although it depends on how you go about that and what's available especially online.
So in effect, the only way we know how to tell someone we're upset or angry is to fire back in kind. It's not the best way, but for some of us it could be the only way.
I never said we shouldn't defend ourselves when attacked. I'm saying that it isn't really helping our cause by attacking people so visciously.
I never said we shouldn't defend ourselves when attacked. I'm saying that it isn't really helping our cause by attacking people so visciously.
I never said you did, Kurai. My point was that sometimes - and this applies more to us older Aspies than young ones like yourself - it's needed to send the message to the other person that you're angry. On the Net that takes nasty words (as you would have seen elsewhere).
The issue is that the NT's who treat us so badly get a kick out of abusing us because they see us as useless and 100 percent inferior. That's a bully at work of course. But the thing about bullies is as much as they dish it out, they can't take it when it's dished back at them. 9 times out of 10 it'll shut them right up.
I personally prefer to have laws prohibiting vilification of the disabled, so that we can go to the courts and shut these people up. Without that protection things have a higher likelihood of getting out of hand. And I've had plenty of experience in that regard!
I never said we shouldn't defend ourselves when attacked. I'm saying that it isn't really helping our cause by attacking people so visciously.
I never said you did, Kurai. My point was that sometimes - and this applies more to us older Aspies than young ones like yourself - it's needed to send the message to the other person that you're angry. On the Net that takes nasty words (as you would have seen elsewhere).
The issue is that the NT's who treat us so badly get a kick out of abusing us because they see us as useless and 100 percent inferior. That's a bully at work of course. But the thing about bullies is as much as they dish it out, they can't take it when it's dished back at them. 9 times out of 10 it'll shut them right up.
I personally prefer to have laws prohibiting vilification of the disabled, so that we can go to the courts and shut these people up. Without that protection things have a higher likelihood of getting out of hand. And I've had plenty of experience in that regard!
I agree. It is sick when other take advantage of ones weaknesses. I can't even go into how low that is....
I mean, when it's a video game, great, but life isn't a video game and you can't reset.
Most of us auties here have been treated with extreme prejudice. Some of us have even gone through some traumatising, emotionally scarring incident involving prejudice towards autistics.
frankly this is it self can change perseptions. as to the x-men thing it the same with the star trek thing. we as whole seek out some no matter small glimpes that others feel the way we do, think the way we do, act in the ame manner.we sournded daily by NT's, those who love us, do those do don't dont.those who dont know anything about our uniqiueness make asumtions. in summery we seek kin ship.
It's natural to feel some anger and resentment towards NT's sometimes, heck I've felt it... but then I realized I can't judge. Who's to say that if I was the one in the majority, if there was only one NT for every 150 people on the Spectrum, that I wouldn't be the same way?
No one's perfect. NT's find it just as hard to understand us as we find it to understand them. Why should we expect them to bend over backwards for us when we won't even budge?
To be honest, when it comes to soceity, it's an NT world out there. I don't like the way some Aspies think of NTs, and genuinely feel alarmed at the ones who openly disrespect NTs, since they feel smarter, more successful, superior. The issue there is one of superiority and where it laid in history.
It's not fair, I'd agree. No, we're not like them, and no, we've also not been given a fair run out there, as most of us can attest to bad experiences over this kind of stuff, but in my opinion, it only will make it worse to hold grudges, to talk down on them, insult them, etc.
After all, there's a lot more NTs out there than there are us. It's their world out there, and we can't walk in with our shoes on and help ourselves to their Cokes from the fridge.
We have to work together with NTs to come to understandings. If we don't understand, and don't want to understand, we just set ourselves up for bigger and more misunderstandings, and with the clashes arising, all the parties will be angry, disrespectful, and feeling that they are in the right.