Aspies For Freedom - Up The Sandbox

EVEN 13 yr old Aspie Girls can do it.. I use to dance like this at 13 with long blonde hair...Hormones setting in! IT happens!

Chesshire cat <BG>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMx_Nb7M8aQ

Yawn! if you insist. I must be a real boxer ooooooooo looking for blood everywhere ooooooooo LOL You should see my gang fight scars oooooooooo LOL...
Odd, when I fought back, I was left alone.. never bullied ever.. nor did I ever start a fight. I had no problems.. you have a choice.. Obviously you do not know the difference between self defense and bullyism! My daughter did quite fine.. she is 25 now... Smile

Oneof the kindest people you would meet , but will not allow people to manhandle her or attack her...

If more children learned to "Protect themselves" we would have less child abduction.. Pedophelia is a huge problem.. and children are victims.. if they could fight back.. many would be alive today...

If you want to teach children to be victims.. that is your chioce... Some of us will just stand back and watch since you have an attitude about self defense..Aspie children need to be taught to protect themselves like Guess who finally did with the bully who abused him... after he stood up to him.. the bully never bothered him.. clase closed.

Wanna come on my "turf" Wink

LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFeX_mywdBQ

Ryuujin Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

I was used by many of your types.. and today I rarely come to the aid of someone who just allows themselves to become victims..

*snip*

My type? - For the record I've never asked for anyone to intervene, and I know "your type" you just get off on finding excuses to fight people. A bully by another name, instead of picking fights with kids minding their own buisness you use the excuse of "helping" someone to beat someone else up.

But if the real world worked like that - one guy punches someone, so you get someone else to punch them harder; the entire world would decend into mutual self destruction.

yetti Wrote:

I am sorry for you that you encourage bullies and attackers.. I fear for your children.

Why don't you take your personal feelings of superioty and shove them up your... well use your imagination. That entire post was just a directed attack >:O

Ryuujin Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

I was used by many of your types.. and today I rarely come to the aid of someone who just allows themselves to become victims..

*snip*

yetti Wrote:

I am sorry for you that you encourage bullies and attackers.. I fear for your children.

Why don't you take your personal feelings of superioty and shove them up your... well use your imagination. That entire post was just a directed attack >:O

Oh in addition... our good friends were "pacifists.." their daughter grew up tormented and beaten up at school. Her mother was a control freak over the children and father... sad state of affairs.. the children were not allowed to be children.. not allowed to fall, not allowed to climb trees.. and ended up victims even to now.. the one girl married a control freak guy... she married her mother.

Aspie girls have a higher ratio of date rate... they NEED to learn to protect themselves. I will alway encourage children to be kind and protect themselves and not be perpetual victims.

Ryuujin wrote: <<<Why don't you take your personal feelings of superioty and shove them up your... well use your imagination. That entire post was just a directed attack >:O

Oh my! I think your post was an attack.. And you are not showing as false sense of superiority? Are you going to do it for me? Wink

I posted sites on the subject and how critical it is to teach children to protect themselves.....

Que'lle language! Where is the passificism? Am I suppose to reply.. "MAKE ME?" LOL  what next? a line in the sand?

Ryuujin Made following face     >:O
And I will advise you what my mother did me..  Close your mouth before a fly flies in!. Wink

Ryuujin.... lets have a "RUMBLE" after school 3pm.. behind the gym! Wink

I was one of the persons who started the victim /witness program in our state.. in college in the 60s /70s I volunteered at rape crisis centers... to this day I support a lot of dollars to the women's shelter in our city, which supports women and men and children of domestic violence. I worked on starting the neighborhoood justice courts while in law school.... and in the criminal courts for a decade... I am well aware of both sides of the line on victims / abusers and bullies...etc..

School policies yes, but often abuse takes place in the neighborhood and in the homes..

No one is blaming victims but to encourage people not to defend themselves makes them nothing more than sheep

I cannot fathom someone telling their daughter not to fight back if she were being raped. The boy can claim consent...

Sometimes you talk your way out... and if all fails the boils down to can you defend yourself ... you don't go to slaughter like sheep..

Also it is fact that many who are abused, become abusers themselves.. some victims are enablers... some victims will become bullies to those who are weaker like their children. Its not unusual for an abused woman to abuse her children. Victimization is an endless cycle.. even with NTs...they are teling parents to teach their children to learn to fight back even at the age of 5.. Not that long ago a young 5 yr old girl fought back a pedophile trying to kidnap her... she caused so much commotion.. the pedophile ran away and she is alive and untouched today.

silky Wrote:

It is true that there are some people in this world who have bad things happen in their lives due to their own foolish choices. It is also true that more people should take responsibility for their own actions. However I would like to point out that it is often school policy or police policy to punish both parties in a fight because both were fighting and therefore both were in the "wrong".

I would also caution against a sweeping blame of victims for whatever happens to them. It tastes of a certain cold mentality and arrogance that leads to thinking such as:

* Women who are raped �deserved� it by being dressed that way or in that part of town or outside at that hour or should have fought back more.
* People who are poor deserve it because they must not want to work.
* Abused children deserve it because all they should behave or tell or run away and punishment never did you any harm.
* People who get sick should have taken better care of themselves.
* The store clerk who gets shot shouldn�t have been working in that sort of store.
* The Jews deserved their fate because they should have fought more or not been Jew.
* People starving in India deserve it because they don�t eat cows.
* Victims of hurricane Katrina deserved it because they shouldn�t have been living near water and God was punishing the homosexuals.��
* People killed in car crashes should have been better defensive drivers.
* Soldiers killed in war deserve it because they shouldn't have been fighting.
* Amish and Quaker people deserve to get taunted and beaten up because they should fight.

People who blame victims often do so because it makes them feel more insulated that something similarly ugly will not happen to them and be beyond their control.

The point of the article iis that there are many who are misusing victimization to their benefit... false claims of rape...like the Duke /Niphon situation in the USA... victims are becoming the users in todays society all too much for comfort.

No one is advocating victimizaiton.. but what is happening today is some victims are misusing their victimizaiton when one can learn to defend themselves.. You cannot always count on authorities or other people.. I gave situations of the 90 yr old who were victimized and no one helped.. they are now being charged by our authorities for aiding the assault by not doing anything.

I don't know if people in UK are familiar with the Duke la cross players and false accusations and a witch hunt by a renegade state prosecurtor... but it turned out the college lads did nothing.. the stripper wanted to blackmail them, and the prosecutor wanted to use race tensions to win an election so the falsely tried to prosecute these students...

This is what the article is discussing .. a change in the tide of a society bent on being victim minded...

No one is blaming REAL victims.... REmember there is always two sides to every story.

Question.. Who would allow people to hit them and victimize them, than use self defense?

Ryuujin Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Question.. Who would allow people to hit them and victimize them, than use self defense?

Someone who knows that his aggressor is just looking for an excuse to do far greater damage and also knows he can't win?

Take this scenario, a small kid in playground is approached by 4 kids much bigger than him. The 4 kids start pushing him too and for between them shouting "You startin'?" - a few things can happen here.

1. They continue to push him around until he falls over, they give him a swift kick and walk off having gotten bored.

2. He forcably frees himself from the shoving by pushing one kid out his way, that kid then screams "You started it!" uses the physical contact as an excuse, and punches him in the face, he goes down (The kid is afterall twice his size) and all 4 kick and punch him til they get bored.

3. He forceably slugs the aggressor in the face who reels back, the 3 other kids now lay into him and beat him even harder than they would've done normally, *and* he has to see the headmaster for assaulting another pupil.

4. He tries walk away, whereas one kid kicks him in the small of the back so he goes down, then walks away before anyone notices.

Believe me, I tried every option and all of them turned out for the the worse - trial and error proved (for me) that #1 was the most effective option, well if I wanted to get out my childhood alive.��I wasn't wrong either; the year after I left a kid at the school had to be rushed to intensive care after being strangled til he stopped breathing.

Also if aggression makes for stronger character, and being bullied makes me more likely to become a bully in later life - how come one of my tormentors at school far from becoming an upstanding and strong willed citizen, ended up on public television after being court martialed in the army having been videotaped beating up Iraqi kids?

We all walk different paths.. what you experienced is not what other have..
Tell that to women.. one out of 3 women will be sexually in her lifetime... My best friend was raped... my sister, two friends and I have been approached by rapist/serial killers...on respective different occasions... not being a victim save us.....my neighbor was sexually assaulted as was my husband secretary.. she would be here to tell you but he drowned her in her bathtub..... my friend who was sexually assaulted had a knife to her throat after he broke into her apartment while she was in bed asleep.. she is a physcian.. it took her 15 yrs just to be able to sleep in the dark.

and there are many more... Those of us who escaped were the lucky ones... and we fought back, so did the one who was murdered.. the predator had sexually assaulted 10 women in the area, even with his friends in his apartment... my husbands secretary was the first to be killed.. I sat through the entire trial.. I was the only person allowed because I knew the prosecutor , DA and judge... it was a closed trial. I even was allowed to look at the evidence. My doctor friend lived with my husband and me for one year until her therapy worked and she secured a new home with security...

I have worked more rape crises cases than anyone would want to know...

I can say.. never become a victim minded person..

she would be here to tell you but he* drowned her in her bathtub.

"He being the serial killer/sexual predator.... not my husband LOL.... the predator was caught and convicted.

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