I urge every one here who considers the Hating Autism blog to be a blight on the understanding of ASD's to sign this petition - set up by fellow ASD person, Joeker (who is a member here).
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/notojohnbest/
My understanding is that this petition will be sent to Google and maybe - just maybe - they'll decide to uphold their terms of service and remove that garbage from the Net.
The more we have the merrier!
Joeker's blog entry announcing the petition is here;
http://blogofmanytrades.blogspot.com/200...-down.html
Timelord. WE ought not be an army of Hating Autism followers. THere are better things this forum can do. How many Hating Autism threads are there here. Let it go mate. It will exist and we will exist. Focussing so strongly on it just gives it the publicity you do want to give it. Move on to other agendas.
No.
This man is a serious threat to us and we must act against him in whatever way we can. The petition is ideal.
Germany let Adolf Hitler go, remember? The Jews hate them for not acting (amongst other groups including the Vatican).
George Washington, Eva Braun and the anonymous poster are bogus. I've advised Joeker to get rid of them ASAP.
Just to add to Joeker's post about Google's TOS - they will uphold it....
IF and ONLY if you get a court of law to order them to. Otherwise, they don't give a crap.
That's what I was told when I first made enquiries back in December 2006.
And Bard Wolf - how would YOU feel if someone got in your face and called you "brain damaged"? And asked you if you owned a gun? (When it was first speculated that Cho - the VTech gunman - was Autistic)
I don't think you'd be laughing.
"Someday, you'll be rounded up, locked up and cured for your own good. We can't have crazy people like you running loose."
Please tell me you are not taking that comment serious. It is obviously just warped humor. He's just trying to get a rise out of you, very sucessfully I might add. The more attention you give him, the more he wins. The wisest thing would be to let it go and never speak of him again.
So you approve of bullying do you, Jenna? You approve of constant attacks along these lines - attacks that leave emotional scars?
Let it go? Why don't you just say what you really mean - "Get over it".
NEVER EVER use those three words with me around. That's a cop out and is asking for the aforementioned emotional scars to remain for life - not dealt with properly. The wisest thing to do is face the scar and heal it the only way one can, by dealing with the person who did the scarring. And I for one won't allow anyone else to get scarred either. Neither will Joeker.
And neither will anyone else who really wants to support our right to be who we are - Aspies, and proud of it!
Allowing sick humour like this is the reason why we struggle for understanding. And you aren't opposing sick humour, which bluntly places your commitment to the cause of Aspies under a dark cloud. Bottom line - the blog has to go. It's dangerous to us - Best is dangerous to us - and like Hussein he has to be silenced. Yes - we are taking that comment seriously. It has to be taken seriously. For the safety of all ASD people from emotional scarring - especially those who are researching and come across this hateful and disgusting waste of blog space.
If you won't take it seriously, Jenna, then you are not committed to protecting vulnerable Aspies from emotional scarring. And that is reprehensible.
I most certainly do not approve of bullying. I also do not approve of the things in that blog. However, you need to learn the difference between a real physical threat and a verbal joke.
What about a psychological threat, Jenna? Do you take that seriously?
And there is such a thing as self defence - or don't you believe in that either? Also, not all of us are as strong as you. There are many who are weaker than me - and they are the ones who are threatened the most.
Callista, the blog abuses that right that you speak of. It creates hate and hate creates violence. You only have to look at 9/11 as an example of the result of abusing freedom of speech in general. So the correct course is to eliminate the source - which is the aim of the petition. If we want understanding of our situation as Aspies, this is essential to that effort.
Stop wronging each other, and act like adults!
Lienda, what you are seeing with the "wronging" that you are talking about is the difference between people who care about their fellow man (or woman) and people who appear not to. I made my statements to Jenna in order to make it more obvious that it appeared that she didn't care - and further place a heavy and appropriate emphasis on the level of danger the blog poses. Joeker refers to the latest posting about AFF, which says in part;
"I implore any parents whose kids are hooked up with this psychotic group to do whatever you have to to drag them away from it right now before it's too late."
And that is just one example of the flagrant hate being expoused by this dangerous fool. If any of you have any respect for our rights to be who we are, you would go over to the petition and sign it. This man must be silenced as a matter of urgency.
And if that doesn't convince you - how about this?;
"While Neuroinsanity advises these kids to celebrate their diversity of brain damage, can we imagine anyone in this world encouraging drunks who have lost their minds and all self-respect to continue drinking?"
Can anyone here really ignore being compared to drunks? I mean really?
Are you enjoying yourself with this?
What's your definition of enjoyment, Wilky? The short answer is no, I'm not. But when one is acting in defence of yourself and people like you (fellow Aspies and ASD people) one has no choice but to alert as many people as possible about this dangerous fool.
And incidentally - it's not him I'm FIXATED with (don't use the "O" word if you wouldn't mind, even if it is strictly speaking correct - because it attracts the wrong sort of view of matters). It's justice for us ASD people. As a group - I would hope that you would all be sick and tired of BS like this that holds back the understanding and acceptance of us as a part of the community. So what to do about it? Ignore it? We've been doing that for decades and where has it got us? Nowhere. So we stand and fight. What is wrong with that?
I hope that no one will choose to reply to that blog article.
They have, Jenna. Three so far. And there's bound to be more (I'll bet Best has modded out some knowing him - I'm surprised he allowed the three that are there! Especially the first one, which isn't the best because it's promoting physical violence indirectly).
Lienda, with all due respect to your frustration - as Joeker said, what if a young man (14 or 15) trying to research his condition comes across this blog? I can safely predict that if he was struggling with his life right now, he'll take it with a knife. I'm not being alarmist - I've seen people older than that with AS contemplate suicide - I've even talked one out of it before now myself. Now I note that you have signed the petition. Really, that's all this thread is about. If people want to jump on the fuss Joeker and I are making about this person, then they should be prepared for a full scale debate. I'm getting to the point of "What do I have to say to people to convince them of the danger this man poses to us?" I see it. So does Joeker. He is already known to two New Hampshire Senators and the Governor of New Hampshire (thankfully in negative fashion but that's beside the point) and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is known to the staff at the Whitehouse! Now if he was just blowing hot air that would be different - but I know for a fact that he did contact the Senators and the Governor (I've contacted them myself).
I personally think that the danger, power, influence and depths of evil you attribute to this guy and the site is completely blown out of proportion and will not assist in your efforts.
I pretty much covered this in what I addressed to Lienda, Rossco. I'll just say, "sorry, but you're wrong" and leave it at that.
When in Sweden, do what the Saudis do.
Buy it all out! LMAO! I'll pay that one, Tim!
Thanks, Pikajedi! The more the merrier!
Wilky, I meant what I said. It's not a case of "I think". The man is dangerous - full stop.
You explain, and explain regardless if either of us agree or not.
I explain again because people are not listening. I try again and again to find the key that opens the door to the understanding that appears to be eluding a lot of you (which BTW does not make anyone stupid just for the record).
I'm patient. Joeker can see it. Anyone who has personal experience of Best can see it as well. The problem here is passing that experience on.
Kurai-gaka is a great example of Best's behaviour. He has also pursued Kev Leitch's girl, Megan (which is why her blog is protected on Kev's blog - or so I'm told). Compared to that - of what we know anyway - one email from yours truly to welfare expressing concern is nothing.
Wilky, I have avoided this word up until now, but now I'm going to use it in relation to you and you alone.
STUPID.
You admit you are giving people a hard time
You failed to notice that I had the phrase 'hard time' in inverted commas, and consequently took it literally.
I think it's manipulative of you to try and "get people angry and want to act against him", and I think you've got some nerve implying that if people do not agree with you then they are not seeing the truth, which is really your idea of "the truth".
You can't manipulate facts, Wilky. I think you are the one with some nerve to make such foolish assumptions when I have presented the case plain and simple. And it is NOT my idea of the truth. It is the truth - full stop.
My conversation with you is over. Make your own choice - if you wish to sign the petition, please do so. If you don't - that's fine as well.
That's it.
Jenna, talk to Wilky - not me.
CBC - with all due respect - I'm the one being insulted here. I won't apologise, until Wilky apologises first. He's the one pressing all the wrong buttons and I am acting in self defence.
I'm the one being insulted here.
Sorry that you feel that way. They (whiom you call hate supporters or people who don't care) do care in their own way. Otherwise they wouldn't have replied here at all the way they have, but would have gone on spouting hate for Autistics elsewhere and called you and Joeker stupid.
Take time off this thread like I did. It helps.
Lienda, I just want to point out that my feelings of being insulted were limited to Wilky and no one else.
I can't take the time off because this issue is too important. If it helped you then that's great. But it won't help me. Thanks for the thought though.
Pika, it might be best if you stayed clear of the fight between me and Wilky. There's more to it than you realise. It's presently being sorted on another board here (I hope!) - so can we move away from that on this thread? Please?
Crikey I came on here to provide that info and I was beaten to it!
Personally I don't understand why so many people are making a big deal out of this. Maybe if this guy had some sort of political or even civil power, or maybe if he even had an appreciable number of followers, but he has none of these things.
Few people take what this man says seriously, and those who do tend to be just as irational as he is. And I'd be willing to bet neither he nor his folowers have many friends.
I say this because I've seen this type of behavior many times before, and those who practice it tend not to be able to hold a friendship or a job for very long and moreover try to isolate themselves.
I'll list these behaviors
- A baseless, fanatical hatred for a certain group or institution that he has little if anything to do with.
- Using little, if anything, more than logical fallacies to prove his claims, and honestly believing they are valid.
- Rejecting any evidence contrary to his opinion as an attempt by his hated group/institution to discredit the truth.
This is the typical behavior of a paranoid schizophrenic.
1. He has announced his intention to run for President - and has not withdrawn it.
2. He's a Generation Rescue "Angel" (talk about an oxymoron) and their influence over parents of young children with ASD's is far from trivial - especially those who are panicking (due to the lack of proper support for ASD's in the health system). And there are plenty of those.
In other words, his influence is higher than you think. He probably doesn't have many friends (heck, he didn't even find a wife until he was past 40!) but he has plenty of allies.
Even though your diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia is probably right. I have another word for it - meglomania. And there was a man who was just like that in the mid 1920's and in a similar position to what Best is in now.
His name was Adolf Hitler.