Aspies For Freedom

Exactly what I wanted to ask.
O.K.Jean-Pierre, we're waiting for an answer.

i like dressing up like a girl and having sex with chicks if thats what you mean lmao x

haha, it's the way they cluck, i can't help myself

on a more serious note...i scarily show most of the traits on that list...although i never considered calling myself a male lesbian as opposed to transgendered/crossdressing/freak etc...lol x

Hm, from a purely diagnostic view, this suits me fairly well, excepting parental problems and a few other points.

Except, that due to modern science and technology, men can become female (for the most part... still haven't gotten the pregnancy part figured out). And after a man becomes a woman but still likes women, s/he'd be a lesbian.

My spouse identifies as a male lesbian, and, incidentally, happens to have a lot of the characteristics on that list (but not all).

Perfectly nice personality type/psychiatric definition, but they may want to consider changing the title as it will only lead to confusion.

I think you nailed it:
[men who wish they were]
women who prefer women as sexual partners

in other words, it has absolutely nothing to do with lesbianism, but a flawed attempt to describe a kind of hetero man.

sorta like non-verbal learning disability?  the first thing most people say is, "but she can talk."

GET A NEW LABEL, please!!

Welcome aboard!

Don't worry too much about the aspie connections thing - we have quite a few NT's on the site. I think Janet was just asking for curiosities sake...

...Although very few of the traits mentioned in the first post have much to do with acting like women. Most of it seems to have more to do with low energy levels, and everything else just seems to be about a fascination with the idea of "femaleness".

If they said they identified as female themselves, that might be a good reason for the term - but as far as this thread goes, the criteria doesn't seem to indicate that.

True, but if any straight man became a women, yet retained their original personality and desires, they'd be a lesbian.

There's lots of men that don't like sports, and plenty of women that do.

Believe me or not, but I found this forum whille I was searching some info on Male Lesbians.



I'm scared, I might be one.



I'm into andromimetophilia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromimetophilia

and Androgyny


And I'm starting to get weird feelings like I want to be feminine every single time I see a manly woman or a real boyish Tomboy

Also known as a Andromimetic


Here's what I recently wrote on Yahoo Answers

http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/;_y...350AAT3Z7s


I might be a Male Lesbian, I'm Scared now.

I thought that it was just Asperger's Syndrome that was making me feel like this, but I guess this is something else.

My parents will kill me if they ever found out.

But I want to have a Manly Girlfriend so bad!

I feel like I want a Manly Girlfriend and call her a boyfriend whille I'll be the girlfriend. Almost like role-reversing.

An online friend of mine who's Lesbian wrote this

I like a lot of fetish stuff, but my biggest one is genderplay. I love cross-dressing, role-reversal, gender-benders, androgyny, transgenderism, transsexuality, all that sort of stuff.

There's nothing hotter to me than someone who can play with gender, particularly girls. If I had to choose one, my fetish would totally be andromimetophilia (an attraction to masculine women, women who imitate men, or to female-to-male transsexuals).

And this is very simular to what I'm into, except for transsexual or FTM or MTF.

If anyone is interested, this is the reply from my question on Yahoo Answers....................

I don't think it's that weird . . . I think I get a little bit of the same feeling, even though I'm not male, as you know. I am not feminine by any means, and yet when I am with a masculine woman, I often get the urge to be more feminine. It's like we have this script in our heads, full of Ward and June Cleavers, and even though we know that we don't have to live like that, it still holds an element of attractiveness. I want to doll myself up and be taken care of, to be the fragile and graceful and seductive femme to her gentlemanly butch. Which is crazy, because when single, I don't like being feminine and don't feel those urges whatsoever.

Role-reversal can be fun. It might be that it's who you are and how your future relationships will work, or it might be just a fantasy and maybe something you'll eventually incorporate into your sex life (in cross-dressing) . . . only time will tell.

I know it's hard, but for the moment, I'd just let these feelings come and don't worry too much about them. You can start to confront their implications when you meet the genderbender tomboy of your dreams.

Hope that helps, bud.

I think you worry about things too much, Eric. You like what you like and regardless of societal pressures, you can only go with that. There is nothing 'gay' about liking women who are more in contact with their masculine nature. You have always came across to me as an insecure person who wants to be taken care of and reassured/protected; perhaps you equate masculinity with protection. I certainly have heard of women who have found so much abuse in their personal lives that they seek gentleness and softness, therefore turn to lesbian relationships believing they will find it there. If it works for them, well, thats good. I personally think sexual attraction/desire is what seperates your partner from just being your best friend, and I could not see myself in a romantic relationship with a man. I've been there, and whilst I know some very kind men who would make fantastic partners, I don't like... that. Its not for me, and my own sexual desires/needs are strong enough for me to know it.

In the common gay community there is a lot of this stereotyping nonsense which I personally find ridiculous. I like strong women, I like independent women, and I like women who know they're women. That isn't conforming to a feminine role all of the time, but gender is very fluid. I joke that I'm a man stuck in a woman's body, and at times I do feel that my brain is so 'male' that my female body seems 'wrong' in comparison. In other words, I like a woman who recognises that her body is female but that her nature is sexless. Your personality doesn't have reproductive organs - only your body does. Genderplay is only a rebellion against the social construction of gender-role; its society's obsession with 'boxing' us all neatly. Some of us are content to remain in those boxes - some of us don't fit the traditional box and in our 'individuality' create other boxes to sit within.

Here's an example - when I was a kid, I had a huge crush on Sarah Connor from Terminator (I still do - Rosie O'Donnell could play Sarah Connor and I'd develop a crush). I think there's a difference between crushing and lust - crushing involves a certain amount of lustful feeling but for the most part I think its more... respectful of the personal attributes of the individual. You're not drawn just to their look but their characteristics. I suppose I looked at Sarah Connor as someone I wanted to be like - I read somewhere that we love the traits we desire most in our own personality when we seek a partner. She is strong, protective, nurturing and committed. I lacked that in my life - there were no strong female role models in my life, so she provided a 'role model' - I could relate to her. I've had a huge crush on Michelle Rodriguez since I was about 19 and probably always will have a 'thing' for her - I admire her a lot. Even though she does stupid things from time to time, she's not a kiss-arse who says "oops sorry" but says "people screw up, big deal". She speaks her mind - and really speaks her mind - on the documentary of Resident Evil she gets into an argument with another actress about politics, saying some... erm, potentially explosive things about American values. To a lot of people she seems like a feisty little gobshite (she actually has ADHD) and doesn't seem to care about protecting her 'credibility' to any group (she ripped into a lesbian magazine on her website for trying to 'out' her). I admire that hugely in a woman - the personality makes the woman sexy. Although saying that Michelle's... ahem, packaging is very pleasant on the eye

My point is, I can step back and say "I'm sexually attracted to X in relation to Y". The women in my family were bullies, but I've never doubted they were anything less than weak individuals. I've always found intergrity, honesty and loyalty attractive - a woman with a moral structure that doesn't come from a 'Book' or the media. They're rare finds.

You probably associate these women with traits you feel you lack in your own life - I'm not saying you do lack them, I want to stress that. I know that I have the usual game-geek-boy syndrome over certain stimuli - hot women with guns, yeah, I find it sexy. It seems 'gay', and its a stereotype, being a lesbian and all. Some people prefer a stereotype because its easier than discovering what actually makes makes them tick.

I think that you are right about me seeming insecure and wanted someone to take care of me and make me feel protected. Yes, defenatly. Though I've read that it's typical for a male aspie to want a girlfriend so she can help the overwhelmed aspie and calm him down and make him feel safe. Then again, like Aspies, NTS, anyone.........we are all different.


I've might have written my story about how I've came to the result "Male Lesbian" starts way back in my childhood. One of the influences that I had in my life was my Cousin Cory. Even though he was 4 months younger than me, he felt like a big brother to me. I grew up as an only child. Cory was like my best friend / brother / leader to me while I always played sidekick. He was very wild and zanny, he made me laugh and he was so much fun to hang around. But what really impressed me about him was the fact that he was fearless. But as he got older he wasn't interested in hanging out with me much, and he started to become more mature and less energetic.

Anyways, the story really begains afterwords in 2nd grade when I meet my first Tomboy friend. She spotted me at recess sitting somewhere away from the other kids who were playing. She grabed my wrist and told me to come play with the other boys. So I did, they bullied me and I think that she stood up for me. She always liked to hang out with me. Sometimes she was kind of rough, but I enjoyed that. Unfortunatly, she moved away and I never saw her at school again. Plus the confusing part was I would think that she was a guy until I heard her voice and she would admitt later, this became an attraction ever since. Since Aspies can't really reconize facial expressions, body language or social cues, my crushes were always not successful. This ended when I had my last crush in the first year in College. Fortunatly even though this girl wasn't interested in me in a romantic setting, she still wanted to be good friends, talk on the phone and hang out..............by the way, she's Aspie too so that would explain why she was so forgiving. Though she wasn't as Tomboyish as I thought. I would always search for Tomboyish traits in girls and have crazy crushes on them From the early days - High School - until early College. Because ever since I meet that one Tomboy, I never looked at women the same way again. I always liked the confusion of a boyish girl. Looks, dress and behavor always turned me on...........and strangely, It reminded me of my carefree dear Cousin.

So I studyed Tomboyism and the personality type ENTP.

Then I got into films like FLCL and read graphic novels of Tank Girl plus paid more attention to 1980s female rock stars like Pat Benitar, Bananarama and Suzanne Vega.

Then I started researching Punk Girls

Recently, I came acrossed Androgyne, Andromimetophilia and Drag Kings. Plus seeing alot of young women everywhere I go, but no matter how good looking they might be, I'm really starting to get sick of feminine girls. Immature risk taking, wacky, boyish, cross-dressing girls was what I wanted to go towards. But each time when I see a picture of a REAL Tomboy or Manish Woman, It attracts me in such a way that I start to loose my masculine side and start becoming more feminine in terms of wanted to be protected (just like you mentioned earlier), held, and being cared by this strong person. Plus instead of saying to myself before I go to bed "I want my girlfriend", I'm now saying "I want my boyfriend." And when I think about getting married to the woman of my dreams in the future. I want her to wear either a pink or regular man's suit and tie and be the groom whille I but myself in the role of the bride. Plus I've been getting some weird thoughts of wanting to test out make-up on myself and what is it like wearing silk clothing and being a cross-dresser. This usually doesn't happen until I'm alone in my room at night when my parents are asleep. I'm 20 and I do stay up quite a bit. I rarely ever have the house to myself.

But no matter how right it felt to me, I'm scared of what I've developed into. I was straight but not really. Then I now read this "Male Lesbian" right after someone told me that I might be on Yahoo Answers. I can NEVER break any of this news to my parents, they don't look at gender-bending or anything relating to LGBT stuff very positively.

So right now I'm both scared, confused but want to do as much research as humanly possible to reconize what kind of girls I like and where can I meet them.

My parents tell me, you'll never know. Maybe at work.
But the women that I'm into you don't see everyday in sociaty.

I don't know how much longer of single loneliness I can take. I feel that doing research makes me feel better about knowing new things about myself that I can never put in words and trying to find possibilites of where Tomboys go in their spare time and where do I meet them at.

Plus I have an image of a Tomboy wanting to play rough with me like wrestle me to the ground and cuddle with me and stuff.


I'm sorry about this long response, but one of the things that I often do with my Asperger's is giving detailed info even though it should be summed up in a clear, simple paragraph.