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I really hate this site: hating autism.blogspot.com. Take out the space and type it in your Address bar and you will go to a very offensive site that preaches that autism is caused by mercury poisoning and that "no sane person opposes curing autism." I have no psychiatric history and I oppose a cure for autism because I don't hate myself. If an autistic wants themselves cured, then they need to see a therapist to work out their problems with self-image. Big Grin Know what I mean?

Ethel Wrote:
Yes, that one's stirred up a lot of angst over the years.  Just don't give them any mroe free publicity, OK?

However, please remember that your opinions and your beliefs stop where you stop and others start.  If I want a cure, I don't need some self-righteous internet stranger ordering me off to see a therapist.  Kindly pull your head in and get over yourself... if YOU don't want a cure, YOU don't want a cure.  What I want is MY business.


Let's say that someone you knew wanted to wish away a certain trait of their personality but couldn't and went around moping and sulking and was really depressed about it. Wouldn't you agree that that person would need to see a therapist. That's what I equate being an autistic curebie to because I see autism as a different state of being, not as an illness. About me ordering you off to see a therapist, I didn't say that all autistic curebies should be packed off to see therapists. I said something more about needing to see a therapist. If you don't think you need any advice, simply say "Thanks for the tip, but I don't think I need it." My mother told me that that's the polite way to refuse advice.
P. S. I love the reference to 1984. I forgot to tell you that earlier, Wolfy

I was saying before that if you don't want to take my advice, then you can refuse it politely. I have had enough of feuding with you and having you flame me accusing me of flaming you. If you're going to continue to flame me, then I'm not going to speak to you and you will become the first person on my Ignore list. We don't have to be buddies, but please don't flame me!

skyblue1  Wrote:

Johanna Wrote:
I was saying before that if you don't want to take my advice, then you can refuse it politely. I have had enough of feuding with you and having you flame me accusing me of flaming you. If you're going to continue to flame me, then I'm not going to speak to you and you will become the first person on my Ignore list. We don't have to be buddies, but please don't flame me!

actually you were flaming her


*Reads past posts, realizes skyblue1 is right, and hangs head in shame*

Rotten autism sites?

http://www.autismspeaks.|org would be a huge example!
Remember to break rotten links!

http://www.generation|rescue.org/ is an example.
Makes me go on fire.

Zed Wrote:
The Soraya site has some interesting links. One is to safety advice about dealing with law enforcement.
http://www.autismriskmanagement.com/people.html

Persons with autism who are able to navigate the community without assistance should strongly consider developing a personal handout for the police. Remember that the initial uninformed contact with police presents the highest potential for a negative outcome.

Some suggestions to consider during sudden interactions with police:  
Do not attempt to flee  
Do not make sudden movements  
Try to remain calm  
Verbally let officer know you have autism. If nonverbal, use alternative communication tools, such as a simple sign language card, that indicates the need to write  
Obtain permission or signal intentions before reaching into a coat or pants pocket, or reaching into a car glove box    
If unable to answer questions, consider use of a generic or person-specific autism information card  
If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing an alert bracelet or necklace that is easy to see--one that lets the reader know you have an information card  
Ask officer to contact an advocate, if necessary and possible  
For the best protection of all involved, the person with autism who has been arrested should, either verbally or through an information card, invoke the right to remain silent and ask to represented by an attorney  
If you are a victim or are reporting a crime, you do not need to have an attorney present to speak to the police, but you may want the police to contact a family member, advocate or friend who can help you through the interview process  
Carry the phone number of an advocacy organization or personal advocate, relative or friend.


The NAS do a handy little card and leaflet ,which I got through Asperger United a few years ago, had it renewed for about £3 - I think they are still doing them. Has been useful when dealing with the police, council and other 'official' bodies, employers etc so I don't have to expain. I carry it everywhere - has explanation of autism, says this person has autism on the front, and has the advantage of being a 'real' document - not just something I maybe making up.

I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread, but I read about 2/3 of it and I'll comment on what I saw that I need to comment on...


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Another Truly rotten site....

Only in FLORIDUH......

             Check this one out:

                          http://www.gnd .org

          GND = Jeff Bradstreet, leading proponent of chelation, who claims to have "successfully treated" over 1600 autistic children.

         It is cloaked in fundamentalist Christian packaging.
The opening video is priceless but I really love the part about Dr Jeff that touts his "knowledge of scripture" as his main qualification to deliver us all from autism.

        Hey, why stop at a cure? Not only do Dr Jeff's clients speak, some of them wind up speaking in tongues!!

                           Enjoy

                      Jerry Newport


May they be excommunicated from whatever church they belong to, and any other they try to get into!

Tony Atwood has let us down. As I suspected he would. S-called wise people with common sense on WP said that he did not want to cure us and one said that he was our Professor X.


All those families who say their autistic people don't understand how much they stress and depress their NT relatives with their autism is awful. What are they doing by saying that? Stressing and depressing their autie relatives. And furthermore, they really lay into their autie relatives whe the auties say that the NTs don't understand how much stress they're causing the auties, not just with their NT behavior but with the TRYING TO FORCE THE AUTIES TO BE OR PRETEND TO BE NT.


BluesMom, about the brain tumor thing, my father once said that people with Tourette's Syndrome have brain tumors and that autistics also have benign brain tumors.

Wolfy, anxiety is one of the symptoms for AS (or is it PDD-NOS?) mentioned in the DSM.

Lili Marlene Wrote:
Sites that are set up for people in some kind of relationship with people with AS seem to be totally unconcerned or oblivious of the fact that the NT partner in an AS/ NT marriage can definitely be "the bad guy" or "the less able partner". I guess it would be naive of me to expect more of these people. Crooks, illiterates and drunks do hook themselves up to aspies. I guess they hope to acquire virtue or skills by association.  

One of the many, many things that attracted me to "Stan" was that he was so smart and nice and wise and sweet and kind and I thought I could get all those qualities by being around him, and I was so thrilled that someone like THAT had chosen ME! And he doesn't know if I have an ASD. A few times he said he doubted I did.


Irish Wolf Wrote:
The name that came to me in half-sleep last night was HAND, for "Help Autistics Now, Dammit!"  The slogan - "We don't need a cure, just a HAND!"  :smile:  

That's an excellent idea! I love it!


Corcaigh Wrote:
I love my son the way he is and the only reason why we are working on his anxiety and anger management, at the moment, is because HE feels bad about it, I don't give a toss about what the teachers think. He's been off school for the past month and did not miss it.

Good on you! Way to go! Big Grin

I read the first page of this thread and it's all I need to see right now. The silver lining is that at least my bf, when suing me for custody, didn't write or mention that I had an ASD. He blamed my incompetence on schizophrenia and bipolar disorder (whether I have them or not, I do not know; depends on the definition).
I mean, he sued me for custody of my son, not for putting me in police custody or anything like that.

Lili Marlene Wrote:
Here's a quote from the Australian web site that whinges about aspie parents

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Our parents often...

could not "know" us or give us recognition

could not "mirror" us

did not know how to hold us

did not know how to touch us

held us captive to their monologues and obsessions

did not recognise our boundaries ie that we were different from them


I could say the same things about my neurotypical parent. I was raised as though I was an NT like my parent. I was held captive to my NT parent's obsession with attending social events. I remember many long boring miserable hours spent at noisy parties, wishing I could find something interesting to read or play with.

If I had the time I would start a whinger web site for aspie offspring of NT parents.

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Aspar does not receive
funding or subsidies for its pioneering work.

and I don't think it deserves to either.


this is one of the reasons i don't want to be a parent.

Cash_Furniture Wrote:
Wow.

I think, relative to the sites that are for NT families of Aspies, some of y'all are being unfairly harsh.

It is difficult - emotionally, socially, and financially - to be the parent or sibling of someone on the spectrum.


I do not consider it difficult, I consider my aspie son to be the greatest blessing of my life and I wouldn't have him any other way. What I DO consider difficult are people who make his life hard through stigma, discrimination, bias, hatefulness, whining about how "abnormal" ASD are and, expecting everyone to think and act and be the same, and the fascists at FAAAS who would rid the world of every single aspie if they could find a way to do it. And who are going to make my son's adult life very difficult.

To be an aspie/ASD is truly exhausting at times, and navigating daily life can be a real challenge. Yet all they often hear is how hard it is for those WITHOUT such challenges and issues to deal with them. And family often doesn't make any effort to try to communicate in a way the aspie/ASD would understand, they expect the ASD to always change themselves all the time. They have the luxury of walking away from the ASD, even for just a little while, while the aspie has no choice and can't just "walk away" from their brain. How about a little compassion for THEM in always hearing about how hard they are to be with, dealing with such whining, dealing with groups who want to "cure" them as if they're some kind of horrible disease, etc., etc.

Cash_Furniture Wrote:

westernwild Wrote:
I do not consider it difficult, I consider my aspie son to be the greatest blessing of my life and I wouldn't have him any other way.


Whether or not YOU consider it difficult is irrelevant.  Also irrelevant is the degree to which you consider your son to be a blessing to you.  

Hint:  Most of us feel the same way about our little ones.  I'm sure you don't mean to imply that we don't, but the implication is there.

westernwild Wrote:
What I DO consider difficult are people who make his life hard through stigma, discrimination, bias, hatefulness, whining about how "abnormal" ASD are and, expecting everyone to think and act and be the same, and the fascists at FAAAS who would rid the world of every single aspie if they could find a way to do it. And who are going to make my son's adult life very difficult.


What you are saying here is that you do find ibeing the parent of a spectrum child difficult, and you find other people's misconceptions about your son especially vexing.  Thusly, our positions are not exclusive of one another.  

westernwild Wrote:
To be an aspie/ASD is truly exhausting at times, and navigating daily life can be a real challenge. Yet all they often hear is how hard it is for those WITHOUT such challenges and issues to deal with them.


Is that why you're here?  To tell parents of spectrum children how selfish they are?  

westernwild Wrote:
And family often doesn't make any effort to try to communicate in a way the aspie/ASD would understand, they expect the ASD to always change themselves all the time. They have the luxury of walking away from the ASD, even for just a little while, while the aspie has no choice and can't just "walk away" from their brain.


To what family are you referring to in your straw man argument?

westernwild Wrote:
How about a little compassion for THEM in always hearing about how hard they are to be with, dealing with such whining, dealing with groups who want to "cure" them as if they're some kind of horrible disease, etc., etc.


I have such compassion.  Heck, I even evaluate people by what they actually say and do, and not what I imagine they might say and do.

What about you, westernwild?


Once again, I repeat that I do not find it difficult to be the parent of an aspie son; in fact, I find it rewarding and interesting. I do not need to join a "woe is me, look at the difficult child life has saddled me with" groups.

If you are the parent of an ASD, then you need to be far more concerned with the very detrimental and damaging effect the likes of FAAAS and Maxine Aston and her CAD nonsense will have on the life of your child, especially in adulthood, as they actively work to promote and promulgate discrimination against aspies in courts, child custody and family life, personal and social relationships and employment, and promote negative stereotypes and misinformation to the public at large, than you do with any detrimental effect on you or the rest of your family. Because, believe me, FAAAS and company are very real threats.

raew Wrote:

westernwild Wrote:

Cash_Furniture Wrote:
Wow.

I think, relative to the sites that are for NT families of Aspies, some of y'all are being unfairly harsh.

It is difficult - emotionally, socially, and financially - to be the parent or sibling of someone on the spectrum.


I do not consider it difficult, I consider my aspie son to be the greatest blessing of my life and I wouldn't have him any other way.


So do I! I want my son to have a more understanding world, but not to change him. Would I rip out his hair because it's not curly like mine? Or his eyes because of their color? He is who he is, and partly because of me since I am an Aspie too, but more because that is who he was created to be. Yes, it's not easy. Trust me! It's not easy being an Aspie mom with an Aspie kid, but he has a mom that will NEVER reject him and make him think he's damaged, the way that my parents did to me. Anyone that tries to do that is the one that needs to change.


Exactly, thank you!! Some more "traditional" members of my family need to learn this as well.

My husband, my son's stepfather, has some aspie-like traits, but is definitely not an aspie and has not been diagnosed as such, nor would he, as he does not fit enough of the criteria. But there are some people, namely an ex-wife, who is convinced he's an aspie based on their own misinformed perceptions and notions. One major reason for that is that there are too many professionals in this country who still don't fully understand AS and have too superficial a knowledge/understanding of it at this point in time. That is where public education is crucial, and not the hate misinformation campaigns of the likes of FAAAS and Maxine Aston and company.

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