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If you don't have your own world, you're stuck with the "real" world 24/7 -- and that would be pretty damn miserable.

I have never known anyone on the AS spectrum that didn't deal with some pretty nasty verbal abuse at some point.

Ellen Wrote:
Reading the posts today (one by a woman who was verbally abused by her father as a child) I was wondering 1) how many (what percentage roughly) of Aspies were verbally abused as children at home or at school.


I had my share of it growing up, and even in my early adulthood.  It takes a severe toll on your self-esteem and can rob you of the confidence you'll need in adulthood.  I once heard of something called "cognitive reframing", which might help.  I am at a loss for a concise description, so I'll just say... Google it!

Ellen Wrote:
In some respects we all live in our own world(s), but was wondering how many here (adult Aspies) live in their own world that often (50-60% at least) and still as adults have to make an effort to step out of it to either attend to chores, work duties, or to even reply to others.


I've certainly got mine.  Not as vibrant as when I was eight, but it's still there in my mind.  Your own little world, IMHO, is like anything else that needs to be enjoyed in moderation, not necessarily bad but there is such thing as excess.

Ellen Wrote:
My daughter also "self talks" a lot...


If she can practice doing it silently or in a very light whisper, that would be good.  (So as not to draw attention.)

Ellen Wrote:
Now I am ok with the above (I don't want to change her!) but it becomes a problem at school as she misses probably about 60% of what goes on (the instruction)...


Bravo on not wanting to change her.

You might want to invest in a decent digital voice recorder for her to record lectures, one with a USB port so she can save the audio files on the computer and replay the lectures however many times as necessary to fill in the gaps in her lecture notes.

Ellen Wrote:
Thanks for all insight you can give. I hope I am welcome here even though I am an NT. If not, let me know....


Don't worry about it.  There are lots of us who feel unsure whether or not we belong here, including those of us who don't have an official dx but seriously think we might have AS (and yet, worried we might actually be NT, just silly by NT standards).  As far as I'm concerned, the more parents here talking directly to aspies of all ages, the better.

I'm 25 years old now and I was verbally abused, often enough, by my father for the first 15 or so years of my life.  He may have thought it would "make me stronger" but what happened was, it made me worse and destroyed my self-esteem.

I think part of the problem is that when I'm being yelled at, my "own world" is being stepped on all over the place, and someone with AS usually cannot tolerate that well.  So the verbal abuse is worse than simple verbal abuse..  it's more destructive toward an Aspie than an NT, although there may be some sensitive NTs who are affected in a similar way, of course.
Why are some of you saying that "staying in one's own world" is a bad thing or "an indulgence" ?

I don't get it.  As one with Asperger's, if I didn't have my own world, my own interests, my own self-endeavors... I'd have nothing (at this point in time.)  I don't care for family expectations or social responsibility much, so it's got to be my own way, as I desire things to be, the way I know how to do things.  Which mostly diverge from the more "multitasked, socially able" way of NT life.

What is so bad about this?  Yeah I'm not making connections in real life, or expanding mysocial network, or sharpening the skills required to meet the standards of "today's enterprising male,".... and... so what?  This means I'm not living in reality..?

I don't see why this is "an indulgence" or "overdoing it."  I'm very offended that some of you would use the word "indulgent" in tandem with "living in one's own world."  Without this way of being (spending lots of time thinking things over in my head, on my own time) I would not be able to survive.  I'd be overflooded with sensory stimulation, thoughts, ideas that have no direction or order, if I had to live as one who "doesn't need a protective shell."  I'd break down in misery if I had to lose that barrier between me and the outside world.

I think both NTs and AS are in their own world, very often in fact, just in different ways.

Ellen Wrote:
I am the Mom of an Aspie girl, 15.

Reading the posts today (one by a woman who was verbally abused by her father as a child) I was wondering 1) how many (what percentage roughly) of Aspies were verbally abused as children at home or at school.

My daughter never had to deal with that thank God (at least from 99% of adults) thanks to IEPs, written materials that were handed out at the beginning of the school term, and frequent interventions by her father or me with clueless staff or family....

2) Having surfed here about two weeks, I don't read a lot about other Aspies being in their own world a lot. My daughter is in her own world/reality about 50-60% of the time I would guess.

In some respects we all live in our own world(s), but was wondering how many here (adult Aspies) live in their own world that often (50-60% at least) and still as adults have to make an effort to step out of it to either attend to chores, work duties, or to even reply to others.

My daughter also "self talks" a lot. Her Dad does too in the shower, and I think he is on the spectrum too a little!

Now I am ok with the above (I don't want to change her!) but it becomes a problem at school as she misses probably about 60% of what goes on (the instruction). To remedy that I have to either have her tutored (time consuming and sometimes expensive) or tutor her myself (exhausting sometimes!).

I am also going to pay a tutor $35/45 minutes/session this summer so she can learn some study skills.

Thanks for all insight you can give. I hope I am welcome here even though I am an NT. If not, let me know. I am a big believer in people having their own forums or private clubs, without interference. I went to a girl's school, my brother went to an all-male military college, etc. so I have no problem with necessary exclusivity!

I.e., if you would rather I not post, let me know and I will oblige! Thanks!



i talk in the shower aswell.
and shower for about 50 minutes.


hmm
i got verbally and physically abused because i did not "get" things.
but i mean no one knew i had aspergers so its not that strange.
from their point of view i was a **** who needed a beating or verbal assault to learn

Batman55 Wrote:
Why are some of you saying that "staying in one's own world" is a bad thing or "an indulgence" ?


I think you'll find the people who are saying that, Batman, are reflecting on NT attitudes (that it's a bad thing). We know it's all we have - as you rightly pointed out. I certainly lament the fact that NT's who have no idea treat our special interests as "hobbies" as an example. And not only that they disrespect our need for our own world when the real one gets too much for us - as it invariably does at times.

If we can establish the "need" factor in the same way as blind people need guide dogs or those special sticks they have we'd be a lot better off. That's why I use the blind as an analogy whenever anyone tries to talk me away from my special interests;

"Taking that away from me would be like making a blind person cross a busy street without any help at all"

It's the same thing. You know it and I know it - and I think all AS members here know it as well.

I cannot avoid using "I".  Oftentimes here, the best way I can get my point across is to use my own experiences as an example, which requires alot of "I did this..." and "I did that..."  (Trying not to sound narcissistic, of course.)

Ellen Wrote:
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"I think both NTs and AS are in their own world, very often in fact, just in different ways."


Absolutely true. Most people constantly think about themselves or their situation and the single biggest mistake we make imo is projecting our thoughts upon others- i.e., every slight had SOMETHING to do with US, when really the person might not have gotten enough sleep the night before, had a fight with his wife that day, etc., etc. I try now to not see every response as somehow a reflection of me. After 54 years I really want to escape from my inherent great sensitivity for once (Pisces + red hair (I am literally thin skinned)+ a spiritual nature = a human sponge where others are concerned).  My biggest gripe about people is how selfish most of them are, how touchy. In the US you can't say jacksh&&t about anything, however minor, without offending somebody. It's exhausting walking on tiptoe all the time! Women are even worse than men I've found, but I digress.
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Does anyone else see something ironic about the two statements in bold print, when compared to each other?

Ellen you're saying you're very sensitive to what others say and often think it has something to do with you, which seems both Aspie-like and also "sensitive-person" material.  I don't see why sensitivity or misinterpretation of what someone says (Aspies may often think they're being slighted, because of nonverbal problems) is selfish.

But then you also complain about people being touchy and reactive to small things...  do you realize you just said that very same thing about yourself, being reactive and sensitive?

I'm lost, either that, or you have to revise your statement and explain to me why "sensitivity" is selfish.

If you're an Aspie in 90% of cases there's an anxiety thing going on, or at least "extra-sensitivity"...  so you tell me... why am I suddenly supposed to think I'm selfish, in your opinion, for being reactive and sensitive?

Timelord Wrote:

Batman55 Wrote:
Why are some of you saying that "staying in one's own world" is a bad thing or "an indulgence" ?


I think you'll find the people who are saying that, Batman, are reflecting on NT attitudes (that it's a bad thing). We know it's all we have - as you rightly pointed out. I certainly lament the fact that NT's who have no idea treat our special interests as "hobbies" as an example. And not only that they disrespect our need for our own world when the real one gets too much for us - as it invariably does at times.

If we can establish the "need" factor in the same way as blind people need guide dogs or those special sticks they have we'd be a lot better off. That's why I use the blind as an analogy whenever anyone tries to talk me away from my special interests;

"Taking that away from me would be like making a blind person cross a busy street without any help at all"

It's the same thing. You know it and I know it - and I think all AS members here know it as well.


The analogy is fine, but I don't really like the "disability" overtones in there.  I find that offensive, to be honest.

Comparatively, there's also some NTs who have very passionate interests, who'd have a lot of problems if they couldn't keep using their interests as an outlet for expression, etc.

It's a similar kind of thing to AS (along a parallel line), although of course in this case it's likely that NTs with passionate interests are going to have better social skills, and so on.  But still, some of these folks (artists especially) would be lost without their special interests.

I gave plenty of compelling evidence, Simen. If you don't believe me that's not my problem. I'm not sure you know what a true "artist" is.

Simen Wrote:
I don't doubt that. I just don't think labelling the majority of people in a profession "closet aspies" without any evidence is a bit uninformed.


Most of them are probably Quirky NTs (eccentric individuals, but they still have theory of mind/social intuition intact) or folks with self-esteem problems for one reason or other.  And you'll probably find a ton or artists who experienced childhood abuse/trauma, etc.

Anyone can have poor self-esteem (AS or NT), even people who seem to be very confident can, hence addiction problems among people who have more social skills than one could ever ask for.

Just to clarify for Batman, the artists I'm talking about are the painters and sculptors. Not the actors or singers.

Timelord Wrote:
Just to clarify for Batman, the artists I'm talking about are the painters and sculptors. Not the actors or singers.


That's what I meant in the first place, and please don't "talk down to me" like that.

Batman55 Wrote:

Timelord Wrote:
Just to clarify for Batman, the artists I'm talking about are the painters and sculptors. Not the actors or singers.

That's what I meant in the first place, and please don't "talk down to me" like that.


I'm sorry, Batman - it just looked like you were widening the definition. I certainly wasn't intending to "talk down" to you. I was only trying to help.

Simen Wrote:
You have still got no evidence, even for painters and sculptors.


Are you calling my personal and general life experience a lie, Simen? If so then you are calling me a liar. Like I said, if you don't believe me - your problem. It's PLENTY of evidence.

Simen Wrote:
Your personal and general life experience does not include havig met the majority of sculptors or painters, I'd wager,


You lose. I've met plenty, and know of the majority through them. I suppose you'd call those I met liars as well, hmmm?

I try to learn about life as much as I can within the confines of being an Aspie. Why don't you try it sometime?

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