Aspies For Freedom

Perhaps Homo-sapiens-sapiens....sapiens

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I remember when I was younger I always wanted to do things in another way than others did, I probably still do, as it avoids competition and comparing yourself to others.
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This pretty much sums it up. Too much sensory overload at times, blank aloofness at others. Attempting to overcome phobias and fit in ta times, and at other times zoning out in one's own world. Struggling to overcome obstacles at work and socially, only to become labelled once again. A whirl of thoughts and emotions that noone seems to see. Precision and calculation in one area, only to fele completely *** in some other area. {typing and finding the letter coming out backwards as you type them} Rapid inattention and scanning quickly through material to gain a brief understanding without reading all the words, or gaining the full meaning. DySrEGuLAtiON.

I am also much better at reading people than the aspie steroetype which leads to, actually, more anguish. In other words, I am fully aware of people's power motivations, social heirarchy, caste, manipulation, and know when people are either uninterested or gauging what I have to say.

I never felt very normal, and I never felt that I wanted to be normal.
Normal people is shallow, simple, unpredictable and driven by strange urges that makes no sense.

Every thing a person do is some how motivated by selfishness. An NT is shallow to me, because they are usually very interested in other peoples attention for things like, haircut, new car silicon implants...They have more "vanity issues", and unfortunately this influence everyday decisions. Also most NT's do many things, because "everybody else does", How shallow isn't that?!
By being socially disconnected/independent you also become more conscious and make your own decisions about things. Your more likely to use your own brain, then to depend on others.

What about the "Complex emotions" that makes you all become pretty predictable, and doing mainly the same things as anybody else?!
Today I told my son a couple of easy things. If you don't like football, pretend to like football, until you start liking football, and you will get friends. And I asked him; "why don't you want to be with the others?" He says: "They only tell stupid jokes about farting and stuff like that". I told him 3 new jokes about farting today. He, he.. He's being bullied already for having different interests than other's. He is 8Yo ,and unfortunately it seams like his main interest is science. ""
I'm not going to comment your "Coplex thought?" issue, ..more than this; <- .

NT's use hidden language like hinting. They also change their opinion of what they want to do, based on emotional impulses. They also use "double language" like To aunt-Helga they say. "ooh, you got a nice haircut", and two seconds later they say, "I don't understand why aunt Helga always have the same ugly haircut".

Hm.. To me, wanting to go to a night club full of people, going shopping just for foun.., is pretty strange and senseless.

.."I'm not attacking you, so please don't take offense to any of this."..  What is that supposed to mean?!
"That, if any of the offending things you write actually offend me, I shouldn't respond, because I probably don't understand F E L I N G S ?!".

I believe I have the full spectrum of feelings.
Unlike NT's, I believe that I'm very much in control of my feelings, and I'm not run by automatical-emotional-reflexes.
This unfortunately some times makes me slow and unable to respond emotionally spontaneously and "properly" enough.
So I believe I experience normal felings, and I analyze them, but I'm not sure I always have the right way of responding in a way that an NT would expect.

When I wrote: .."
I never felt very normal, and I never felt that I wanted to be normal.
Normal people is shallow, simple, unpredictable and driven by strange urges that makes no sense.
".. I wanted to say to the Aspies/HFA that they don't miss much.
If you disagree to that I would prefer that you reply in a Private Message.

My mistake.

I just realized that my answer's in this thread probably was inappropriate.

- The Forum category is labeled "NT/AS interaction", I'm neither of those.
I don't feel like self diagnosing, unless I have excluded every other possibility. ..And I don't like the idea of being labeled as an NT.
The funny thing is that everybody is "diagnosed" as normal until the opposite is proved. He, he..

- My first answer in this thread, was an personal statement from my perspective as a single individual, and not from an Aspie/HFA perspective.

Sorry for the misunderstandings and the possible intrusion.

Okay, Okay. Here's the problem here in my estimation. Aspies use the same well rutted thought patterns as we do in our daily life. The routine of such patterns seems to sooth us but serves no functional purpose.

An intrusive thought process appears to happen whereby we search the environment for differences between ourselves and that environment. Since we are somewhat different, we surely find those differences, and then use our differences to cut ourselves down.

What a self defeating pattern that is.

One should try to figure a way out of that pattern, or admit that there is an affective issue.

I swear that the following is relevant to the conversation; Just stick with me for a minute here.

From a very early age, I had the robot fever.  Even now, at 25, my brain is loaded, is filthy with robots.  Needless to say. when Star Trek The Next Generation came out, I was super jazzed about Data.  BUT.  I had issues:

Data has that pesky pinocchio complex, y'see.  My guess was that was how the writers decided to make an otherwise (to them) untouchable character more relatable to an audience of humans.  Awww, he wants to be like people.

Boy, did that leave me chapped, especially since it seemed like Data already had his own equivalents of those "human" qualities he spent the rest of his existence trying to directly aquire.  He had plenty of life in him as a character; it was just android stylee.

Aspie traits already having emerged at this point in my life, this concept was something I could relate to.  As a result, I spent an inadvisable amount of time acting like I was an android in public; not a smart social move, even when you're twelve.  The idea remained though, and when I found out about AS, my thoughts were drawn back to Data.  I realized I didn't want to spend any more energy trying to be like the other "humans," when I had perfectly valid mental wiring of my own.

So yeah, in that regard, I sometimes don't feel quite human, but Data reminds me that sometimes exibiting behaviors that seem alien to other humans does not make me an alien.  Or an android.



"As I experience certain sensory input patterns my mental pathways become accustomed to them. The inputs are eventually anticipated, even missed when absent."
-- Troi quoting Data in ST:TNG "Time's Arrow"

"It's just that our mental pathways have become accustomed .. to your sensory input patterns."
"I understand. I am also fond of you, Commander. And you as well, Counselor."
-- Riker and Data, later that episode"


::feels really nerdy::  ^___^;

This has developed to be an interesting conversation..
It's not very unlike feminism / machosism argumentation.  ..and maybe that's closer to the truth then we like to know?
- A normally emotional NT woman has allot of feelings about things. That's good for the the society, the neighbors, for having family and friends. ...it's also good for the household, the husband, the kids and the pets.
- A normally self confident NT man, often has the ability to "cut-trough" all of this "emotional-crap", an make decisions based on his personal judgment. It's often not the perfect or best decision, but it often enough to decide if the household is going to say yes or no to another homeless pet.

I think we need both kind of people, and saying that one thing is wrong or better, would be wrong. ..wouldn't it?!

While I too often find that people use an association with child-like behavior or childishness as a condescending diminutive, I think that it depends largely on the context in which it's used.  I, for one, hate being called "kid" by people even remotely close to my age.  Unless someone is eighty years old, or Indiana Jones, they don't get to call me kid.

In the case of this thread, however, it's merely being used to help illustrate a concept.  While you may not find the allusion to be flattering, there is, as you say, much truth to be found there.  It's clearly not being described to insult or belittle anyone here.

Ultimatums like this, on the other hand, seem doomed to provoke more conflict in what is otherwise a pretty compelling thread.  I mean no disrespect by this, but this thread strikes a pretty personal note for me, and obviously for a lot of other people here too, and this is maybe not the best place to be defending in this manner against what I assure you is an imagined slight.

I would like to add that I think that it's kind of nice to think that one of the things that makes me difference is that my sense of self is a bit more connected to the rest of our surroundings than those of NTs.

I'm not sure if I think that's what's happening, or if it is, if it's what's happening across the spectrum, but it's certainly (baby?)food for thought.  :)

If I understand things correct, you like me, is a grown up man with a god portion of social experience and history of trying to adapt and fit in. Could it be that some of the original symptoms and criteria for a secure diagnosis is disturbed, manipulated or even created by this "wrong kind of" social stimuli?

I don't feel very human, I feel more like a reptile; heck, my baseline body temperature is even 3-4 degrees lower than normal (95.6-94.5 usually).  As to which one specifically; a dragon, and don't look at me like that, there's only about a 15% chance they didn't exist at some point in history. (as to the lack of evidence for them, there's been so much geological change on this planet that evidence of entire civilizations or heck, even technologically advanced species could have been wiped out and we'd never know)

Hm.. Me to!
Strange, I thought it came from the viking bloodline in my family.
Anybody else have a lower than average body temperature?

Yea, even saw a few specials on him on discovery and national geographic, loved the horns.

Mjølner: My mother does too, and as far as where it comes from, I'd never find out, my maternal grandmother's family is like a Heinz 57 variety, you name an ethnicity and it's in there.

Do you like the usual and common things that most people do?  ...if not, It could be a noticeable difference.
You don't have to be a Horse to know that you feel different from a Horse? ..am i wrong?
I feel very different from very social people. I don't understand their urge to be with other people as much as possible. Do I have to be hyperscosial  first to be able to feel different?