You certainly speak well for everyone, thank you.
I've got to be honest. This is the kind of thing that makes me think I don't even belong to Aspergia.
You certainly speak well for everyone, thank you.
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I've got to be honest. This is the kind of thing that makes me think I don't even belong to Aspergia.
I don't understand - first you say the poster spoke well for everyone and then you turn around and use the very same quote to complain about how it doesn't apply to you?!
The first comment was supposed to be biting sarcasm (as in, he's talking about how those with AS are so good at Math and crap like that, and I'm nutmeg dumb in most academic areas).
But I guess some of you didn't read it that way.
Oh, right. But I have my fair share of learning disabilities (from having Asperger's) and executive dysfunction. There are certain things that, honestly, I'm much worse than both AS *and* NTs in. Other things (like the size of my vocabulary; also creative/divergent thinking) I am well above average in, but these have little practical application esp. seeing as I have no practical life skills (sp. social skills) and no willingness to gain them. I'm a stubborn mule and proud of it.
Aspies are honest, and so am I, even it includes putting myself down. It's not a putdown if it's true.
And besides, I hate working on things that I'm "much below average" in anyway... that is illogical to me. I'd much rather work on something I get a thrill out of, and it seems Aspies favor this approach as it is.
Basically I need some kind of stimulation or at least an "interest level" going, or I won't do the work. This attitude quickly brought me to dropping out of many classes in school, since I didn't have social skills for group work OR natural interest in the area(s), I found no reason to stay. I was bored and I couldn't pay attention to the subject material, so "f**k it" is the attitude.
I'm not a logical Aspie, I'm actually an impulsive/right-brained one; it doesn't seem like a good "set-up" where education is concerned. It seems like the extreme left-brained/logical ones fare much better.
Yes I complain, but since I have no desire to improve my s**t areas, oh well. I change for no man.. or woman.
And I say digress from that and revel in what you want to do, the way you do it, instead of submitting to the anarchy of social interactions on a daily basis.
That is certainly the AS way!
Indeed.. precisely my point! And sorry for calling you a fool, by the way, that was just an overreaction "in the moment" thing for me.. something I'm very prone to. They say some Aspies have angry outbursts a lot... I believe I must be one of those.
If I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say I'm still very bothered by such a statement (in bold print) however much truth is to be found there.
I don't think anyone likes to hear they have a "concept of self, still integrated like the infant's world".. and you can count me as one who really doesn't like to hear that.
That's just my two cents. If you can either apologize for making the statement (I know that sounds odd, but oh well) or explain it in a different light--by saying that ASers have a "different" view of self/view of world, rather than infant-like--then you and me will get along a lot better.
For right now, I'm depressed from the implications (via your writings)that I'm still infant-like (or child-like) at an advanced age. To me that's an insult... whenever anyone has said that to me in real life, vocally, it was used as an insult.
If I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say I'm still very bothered by such a statement (in bold print) however much truth is to be found there.
I don't think anyone likes to hear they have a "concept of self, still integrated like the infant's world".. and you can count me as one who really doesn't like to hear that.
That's just my two cents. If you can either apologize for making the statement (I know that sounds odd, but oh well) or explain it in a different light--by saying that ASers have a "different" view of self/view of world, rather than infant-like--then you and me will get along a lot better.
For right now, I'm depressed from the implications (via your writings)that I'm still infant-like (or child-like) at an advanced age. To me that's an insult... whenever anyone has said that to me in real life, vocally, it was used as an insult.
I think lonelywolf's comment in the quote is pure crap. I've seen no evidence of this, neither research nor personal experience. I know this isn't my experience. I know there is nothing in the diagnostic criteria that can be used to draw a conclusion like this. I really don't have a clue as to where this kind of thinking comes from.
Formation of the self-concept requires a theory of [other] minds, as it is impossible to perceive of oneself as an object outside of oneself directly -- it requires interpreting how others interpret oneself (viewing oneself indirectly). So autism and an underdeveloped self-concept are linked.
If I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say I'm still very bothered by such a statement (in bold print) however much truth is to be found there.
I don't think anyone likes to hear they have a "concept of self, still integrated like the infant's world".. and you can count me as one who really doesn't like to hear that.
That's just my two cents. If you can either apologize for making the statement (I know that sounds odd, but oh well) or explain it in a different light--by saying that ASers have a "different" view of self/view of world, rather than infant-like--then you and me will get along a lot better.
For right now, I'm depressed from the implications (via your writings)that I'm still infant-like (or child-like) at an advanced age. To me that's an insult... whenever anyone has said that to me in real life, vocally, it was used as an insult.
I think lonelywolf's comment in the quote is pure crap. I've seen no evidence of this, neither research nor personal experience. I know this isn't my experience. I know there is nothing in the diagnostic criteria that can be used to draw a conclusion like this. I really don't have a clue as to where this kind of thinking comes from.
That's what I was saying and I agree here. Personally I find it almost insulting that such a statement would be made about ASers.
I know AS is a developmental disorder, but I don't believe that that concept lends "truth" to the idea that our concept of self is "stuck in the infant years." I suppose such a thing could be implied, but to go around saying such a thing--especially when a lot of NTs believe everything they hear--is not helpful.
Well then I would like to "un-say" that statement because I have erred. Truly, I don't really follow this kind of thinking. For one thing, I would never refer to people who have a neurodiverse condition as child-like or infantile, nor would I say that some of their concepts (sp. of self) are stuck in an infant's world, etc.
That's just my two cents, and I know people will disagree (as you have, veebles.) In this case we'll agree to disagree, and I'm certainly fine with doing that.
Yes, you might say that scientific literature/AS research indicates that "infant-like" is accurate in this case, but I choose to interpret that a different way, and that's my right. After all it is not the researchers who deal with Asperger's every day--it's the people who have the condition.
Why differentiate between Asperger's and PDD-NOS? That's not an important distinction, and some who have PDD-NOS probably have Asperger's; and vice versa.
It bothers me that people think I'm more PDD-NOS because I'm extremely poor at classic Aspie strengths like Math, Science, Academics (I did horribly in school because I couldn't comprehend the materials, at least not fast enough.) But then that could also mean 3 things:
1) I could be AS with comorbid ADD
2) I could have a lot of learning problems along with my AS (certain learning disabilities like dyscalculia are common)
3) I could have more profound Executive Dysfunction, than others
The other thing is that folks tell me I don't think logically/practically. True enough, I seem to be more impulsive/distractible, and common sense (logic/pragmatism) is skipped over. But I don't see why this would be so uncommon.
My research shows that some with AS may be "more right-brained" or "creative/divergent-thinking," instead of logical/practical.
Have you read Grandin's Animals in Translation?
Why differentiate between Asperger's and PDD-NOS? That's not an important distinction, and some who have PDD-NOS probably have Asperger's; and vice versa.
It bothers me that people think I'm more PDD-NOS because I'm extremely poor at classic Aspie strengths like Math, Science, Academics (I did horribly in school because I couldn't comprehend the materials, at least not fast enough.) But then that could also mean 3 things:
1) I could be AS with comorbid ADD
2) I could have a lot of learning problems along with my AS (certain learning disabilities like dyscalculia are common)
3) I could have more profound Executive Dysfunction, than others
The other thing is that folks tell me I don't think logically/practically. True enough, I seem to be more impulsive/distractible, and common sense (logic/pragmatism) is skipped over. But I don't see why this would be so uncommon.
My research shows that some with AS may be "more right-brained" or "creative/divergent-thinking," instead of logical/practical.
If I understand things correct, you like me, is a grown up man with a god portion of social experience and history of trying to adapt and fit in. Could it be that some of the original symptoms and criteria for a secure diagnosis is disturbed, manipulated or even created by this "wrong kind of" social stimuli?
That's a very interesting thought. Yes I have been aware of the "hidden curriculum" for a while (it really hit me in high school) and my hypersensitivity to criticism comes from a young age; it is possible that the fact that I've tried so hard to "act proper" and "fit in" has taken me away from some of the more stereotypical Aspie traits.
What's interesting is that my older brother (from my observations) has the more obvious traits intact, but he is less aware socially.
Awareness to criticism, and awareness of oneself could be a part of Avoidant Personality as described in DSMIV. The less aware person is simply detached but unlikely to seek assistance because that person is involved in his/ her own interests and doesn't really care about social considerations.
I already know I have Avoidant Personality. I was told by a therapist, in fact. But there's a lot of things I have that are not exclusive to Avoidant PD.
Anyhow, Avoidant PD is a comorbid pretty common on the spectrum. I believe my AS is the cause, because I can't read other people's intentions properly and therefore I think what they're saying is criticism, when it really isn't.
Don't you have awareness of self, awareness of criticism?
I don't see why this would be rare for Asperger's, I have frequently heard that those with AS don't deal well with criticism, and yet have the double standard of being critical themselves (which describes me perfectly.)