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Luai_lashire Wrote:
I think comunism is a good idea

No, there is nothing good in communism.

Dr. Ando Wrote:
Communism in general is a really bad system

Exactly. What's missing in communism is a focus on differences between individuals. For Aspies, communism would be even worse than for NTs.

I'm not saying capitalism is perfect.

I agree with DogBrain.

Luai_lashire Wrote:
In real life, I doubt such a system could work, certainly not until society as a whole changed, with a values shift towards acceptance, equality and idealism.

Equality? People are unique, not equal.

Erkolos: a good point.

Luai_lashire: what do you think about the role of religion in communism? What if an individual wants to express its uniqueness and become religious? Doesn't communism limit the freedom of the individual in that respect?
Maybe it can be seen like this?
Both communism and capitalism have big disadvantages, are not the ideal.
Socialism is also not the ideal, socialism is only a compromise.
Socialism is communism plus an incentive to work, or socialism is capitalism plus more facilities for the poor.

Maybe the ideal structure of society could be like this?
People living in groups not too large so that everybody knows everybody (1000 people in a group). Inside the group no money exists (somewhat similar to communism). Money is only used in contacts between groups (somewhat similar to capitalism).
In my suggestion for an ideal there are no states.

Luai_lashire Wrote:
Part of the imagining which still needs to be done is imagining how to make "good communism" easier.  Rolleyes

No, you're not unclear or ignorant, just interested like the rest of us. Smile
About how to make good communism easier: maybe to stimulate individuals to change themselves, to reflect and to become more aware of what they are doing and not doing, to drop their egos.

LoftyD: a good thread you started.

rec1124 Wrote:
I believe that the state is needed.  I believe the Social Contract where the people give up some rights to the state for security.  But I also have a Jeffersonian view that the state should leave the people to preety much govern themselves.

Would 1 world government be enough? And no states/nations. Groups where everybody knows everybody. Without states there will be freedom of movement globally. A world of individuals. And the people in the world government would be like the head of the mail or public transport organisation: it works efficiently but you don't know the head by name, there is no issue of status.

My opinion is: the problems are global, so the solutions should be global. For example an african dies from hunger and an american dies because he is too fat. If America would give free food to Africa the food price will drop and farmers will stop producing. Food is being destroyed sometimes, to save a national economy.
It is 1 world, so we need 1 economy and 1 world government. Why do we need nations? As long as there are nations, there will be war somewhere.

SoTMH Wrote:
With current generation human beings any kind of communism is impossible, even with Aspies they are too genetically inferior.


The idea of "genetic inferiority" is innately incompatible with communist doctrine.  Any attempt at a "eugenic" solution is innately incompatible with communist doctrine.

Five Wrote:

Ian Wrote:
And when the world is led by a madman destruction will be wrought upon all ;p

A world leader will have to be chosen based on merits (education, proven performance/results). I'm for a meritocracy.
As a world leader will not be chosen some powerhungry politician but a really wise man.



You're funny.

Five Wrote:
Also, the people who elect will be intelligent and meditative because they have been educated this way.


Like I said, you're funny.

Max the Bear Wrote:
Free market Economics works for corporations, not individuals. Virtually everything you've said is backward. Stop getting you disinformation from neo-cons.


The problem is that planned economy works for party insiders, not ordinary people.

rossco Wrote:
Yeah it was great wasn't it Guess Who? Uncle Sam and Ivan had a competition on who could build enough nuclear arms to destroy the world. Now good old Uncle Sam has enough nuclear arms to blow up the world, or at least give the entire world a Nuclear winter that will kill off humankind. Great battle! I love these kind of patriotic humanistic stories of accomplishment. Now with a stockpile of nuclear weapons, Uncle Sam dictates who else can join the nuclear club and who can't. He can have as many as he likes without any regulation, because he is responsible and those he deems aren't as responsible as him can't. I am sure the rest of the world thinks well of Uncle Sam for it.


And EXACTLY how does this prove that Communism works so very well?

I think many recent posts in this thread contain questions and ideas of a high level. It's an interesting topic.
Instead of going into the discussion I would like to refer to the points that were made earlier in this thread, especially posts 42-83.
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