I am a socialist, myself. I think comunism is a good idea, but in practice, is nearly impossible to pull off.
Communism merely requires that all people be angelic in their virtue and conduct--that's all.
Communism merely requires that all people be angelic in their virtue and conduct--that's all.
Exactly why I don't think it will work!
In America, we have socialism. We have socialism for the rich (see also "subsidies" and "bailouts") .
Well I'd say you often have to have a small amount of money to accomplish things. A socialistic society gives you that even though you're not the luckiest person. While in capitalist societies there are people who simply have alot more than enough money which is often used at something that isn't in any way useful for the rest of the population whatsoever, luxury.
That's in corrupt comunism. The actual MODEL for comunism is quite different from anything that's ever really existed. In actual communism there are no leaders, no privilaged classes, and ALL items/resources are owned in common by all people. You can't HAVE a few individuals with wealth in true communism, because their wealth is shared with the rest of society.
That is true. Whereas Communism destroys individual iniative. If you are working a with a partner who is producing 5 pairs shoes a day and you are producing 100 and still getting paid equally. What incentive do you have to put forth effort. In Capitalism you have incentives to work hard and to put forth effort.
You're not thinking revisionist enough. You wouldn't have such disparity in the amount of work people did. Why on earth would you have one person producing 5 pairs of shoes and another producing 100?
True communism would allow for people to work in the job best suited to themselves, without having to worry that they aren't going to be paid enough or are going to starve. Ideally it would also eliminate greed, because everyone has everything that everyone else has.
Exactly. What's missing in communism is a focus on differences between individuals. For Aspies, communism would be even worse than for NTs.
Why on earth would you suggest such a thing? Communism would be great for aspies because it could emphasize individual strenghts in certain areas.
Capitalism so that there's a reward for accomplishing positive things
You're making the mistake of assuming that a communist society couldn't find ways to locate and sanction any "cheaters in the system". There could be legal consequences for not contributing anything to society. You'd have to be careful there, though, because going too far would be very easy.....
Communism has lots of good ideas and lots of kinks. In real life, I doubt such a system could work, certainly not until society as a whole changed, with a values shift towards acceptance, equality and idealism.
Even then, it's very very easy for a budding comunist society to become corrupt.
This is why I am a socialist myself. It has fewer problems.
That's in corrupt comunism. The actual MODEL for comunism is quite different from anything that's ever really existed.
And what is the likelihood of such an inhumanly virtuous system existing in the real world?
You can't HAVE a few individuals with wealth in true communism, because their wealth is shared with the rest of society.
Funny how that has never happened in the real world, though. Someone who thinks rationally might conclude that some evidence regarding the feasibility of this "true communism" has been amassed.
Ideally it would also eliminate greed, because everyone has everything that everyone else has.
People don't work that way. Greed does not come from need. Greed is "I want MORE than what everybody else has".
Why on earth would you suggest such a thing? Communism would be great for aspies because it could emphasize individual strenghts in certain areas.
Reality tells us all that real-world implementation of communism is always, ALWAYS accompanied by repression of the individual.
In real life, I doubt such a system could work, certainly not until society as a whole changed, with a values shift towards acceptance, equality and idealism.
In other words, communism would only work if people already lived according to its ideals.
That's in corrupt comunism. The actual MODEL for comunism is quite different from anything that's ever really existed.
And what is the likelihood of such an inhumanly virtuous system existing in the real world?
You can't HAVE a few individuals with wealth in true communism, because their wealth is shared with the rest of society.
Funny how that has never happened in the real world, though. Someone who thinks rationally might conclude that some evidence regarding the feasibility of this "true communism" has been amassed.
Obviously you totally ignored the fact that I did, actually, say I DON'T THINK IT WILL WORK. 
We agree with each other, DogBrain. There's no need for you to keep arguing with me.
Ideally it would also eliminate greed, because everyone has everything that everyone else has.
People don't work that way. Greed does not come from need. Greed is "I want MORE than what everybody else has".
Sorry, I meant to say jelousy, not greed.
Luai_lashire: what do you think about the role of religion in communism? What if an individual wants to express its uniqueness and become religious? Doesn't communism limit the freedom of the individual in that respect?
Historically, yes, comunist countries have been very anti-religion, and also anti-art. However, I personally don't beleive that in a communist society it MUST be that way. Why can't you have the societal structure of a (true, not corrupt) communist society and still have liberal values of personal, individual rights and worth? Why couldn't you have uniqueness?
Maybe I am being ignorant (and I'm sure DogBrain is going to say, "yes, you are"), but it seems to me that most people can't seem to seperate the concept of communism from the policies of the corrupt governments we've seen in the past.
Use your IMAGINATION, people! That's what picturing future societies is all about! Don't allow preconcieved notions of communism keep you from seeing the possible mutations of the system, changes that could be made for the better.
And before DogBrain gets on my case again, I would just like to repeat that I am imagining an IDEAL future which, from a pessimistic view (and I am a pessimist) would probably be very hard or impossible to implement in real life.
Part of the imagining which still needs to be done is imagining how to make "good communism" easier.
(I have this feeling like I'm being unclear. Oh well. I'm going to post this anyway)
Besides, I think if done properly a dictatorship could be just what the doctor ordered.
People need a strong leader that isn't afraid to make tough situations, some people have too much freedom in my opinion..you hear about the cutty sark being torched today? was Arson apparently.
Ian
So would you put economic freedom above personal freedom?
The word "personal" freedom is somewhat unclear I think. As I see it: first comes physical freedom (not being in prison). Next comes psychological freedom (the freedom to state your opinion etc.). Then comes spiritual freedom. So Logicalparadox, I would say "no" to answer your question.
Personal freedom would be like freedom of speech or freedom of thought. I was asking Ian the question, because of his statement above mine.
You people really think you understand me, don't you.
*** me, does the spelling of a word really matter..ya know, whilst we're straying off topic.
No. Communism destroys variety. Everyone is different and has different needs.
Ouch!
But that isn't a proper dictionary so it doesn't count.
I believe that Free Market Economies are the best system for giving individuals free choices and freedom in the market. It is also the best for creating opportunity and upward mobility for people in the lower classes.
Free market Economics works for corporations, not individuals. Virtually everything you've said is backward. Stop getting you disinformation from neo-cons.