05-16-2007, 05:55 PM
05-16-2007, 07:18 PM
At least a capitalist society promotes hard work and can do attitude.
something thats sorely lacking in most modern societies.
something thats sorely lacking in most modern societies.
05-16-2007, 08:38 PM
You're the doc, doc ;p
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05-17-2007, 01:13 AM
Under capitalism what do I get if I work hard at say, my own business..a bit of cash, self respect, little empire...stuff that human nature craves ;p
What do I get for working hard under (established real world) communism? a little medal from the government, would do well on ebay once said government falls in a year or twos time.
What do I get for working hard under (established real world) communism? a little medal from the government, would do well on ebay once said government falls in a year or twos time.
05-17-2007, 07:25 PM
Oh so just like Britain already is, I can make an obscene amount of money..and other people have the chance to -try- and knock me off the pedistal ;p
05-18-2007, 07:29 PM
Religion of any kind is outlawed under Communism, as far as i'm aware.
Yes folks its not just Economic repression..
Yes folks its not just Economic repression..
05-19-2007, 02:36 AM
I am a socialist, but I am more of humanist. Socialism is basically applied humanism. In the it's forms seen so far communism isn't from humanistic; communism passes the point where ideology stops being a tool for the people, and people become tools of the ideology.
05-19-2007, 02:38 AM
DNEB. communism isn't humanistic...
05-20-2007, 09:36 AM
Ian Wrote:
I believe strongly in national identity, individual countries should have individual governments so as to preserve national character.
I have to disagree. National pride is the tool of politicians. It let's them get away with things by shifting the attention towards patriotism rather than reason. It's our job to always be critical of the system.
05-20-2007, 09:46 AM
erkolos Wrote:
I don't like the apartheid rule here in this world where people are divided by nationality. In voilent conflicts the life of an american is apparently alot more worth than the life of an african. They are the first to get medical help while others have to wait.
But there should definitely be government organisations that represent areas, economy or groups of people.
But there should definitely be government organisations that represent areas, economy or groups of people.
I think one of the problems is that Americans (as well the western world in general) don't really care what happens in poor nations. It's just another statistic that we spend all of five seconds thinking about. There are people over there we shouldn't forget that.
05-21-2007, 03:08 PM
rossco Wrote:
The fundamentals of communism is to create an equality of treatment and equal individual reward for achievement.
To try and force through selective anniliation of any peoples within a poulation (whether "genetically inferior" or not) to achieve a "sameness" to allow compatible people to then govern through communism, is not only against a communist belief structure, but is inherently flawed.
Firstly, what is the process to "weed out " the inferior and how accurate who it be....perhaps Hitler's Aryan model of perfection may suffice in your example. (Can we see a problem already?) and secondly, how do you suppose that people won't try to resort to what people always do.
The system though peopled by a very compatible "genetically superior" race will work things to get a little bit extra for themselves and their families. So there goes that well thought out theory.
As for genetic superiority or inferiority. What makes you think autistics are inferior? We are certainly different and atypical but why inferior?
The China/India thing is supposition at best and vague enough not to support or challenge, as with your spacefaring claim.
I assume you are someone who has "years of study and introspection and self mastery". This is why you have said that most aspies "lack the control over their base instincts".
Based on this, what of any merit have you got to offer us "genetically inferior" autistic people? We are happy to learn and share and I am sure I am not alone in being excited to hear the wisdom of someone akin to a Zen Master!
To try and force through selective anniliation of any peoples within a poulation (whether "genetically inferior" or not) to achieve a "sameness" to allow compatible people to then govern through communism, is not only against a communist belief structure, but is inherently flawed.
Firstly, what is the process to "weed out " the inferior and how accurate who it be....perhaps Hitler's Aryan model of perfection may suffice in your example. (Can we see a problem already?) and secondly, how do you suppose that people won't try to resort to what people always do.
The system though peopled by a very compatible "genetically superior" race will work things to get a little bit extra for themselves and their families. So there goes that well thought out theory.
As for genetic superiority or inferiority. What makes you think autistics are inferior? We are certainly different and atypical but why inferior?
The China/India thing is supposition at best and vague enough not to support or challenge, as with your spacefaring claim.
I assume you are someone who has "years of study and introspection and self mastery". This is why you have said that most aspies "lack the control over their base instincts".
Based on this, what of any merit have you got to offer us "genetically inferior" autistic people? We are happy to learn and share and I am sure I am not alone in being excited to hear the wisdom of someone akin to a Zen Master!
Rossco, I think you'd find he's just a legend in his own mind. lol.
05-22-2007, 01:56 AM
So would you put economic freedom above personal freedom?
05-22-2007, 06:36 AM
Five Wrote:
Logical paradox Wrote:
So would you put economic freedom above personal freedom?
The word "personal" freedom is somewhat unclear I think. As I see it: first comes physical freedom (not being in prison). Next comes psychological freedom (the freedom to state your opinion etc.). Then comes spiritual freedom. So Logicalparadox, I would say "no" to answer your question.
Personal freedom would be like freedom of speech or freedom of thought. I was asking Ian the question, because of his statement above mine.
05-22-2007, 12:20 PM
Ah, soTMH, there is no such word as irregardless - it's either irrespective or regardless.
06-27-2007, 10:35 PM
Jean-Pierre Wrote:
I am one of the official delegates of North Korea
http://www.korea-dpr.com/kfaorg/official_delegates.htm
C O M M U N I S M i s T H E o n e A N D o n l y W A Y ! ! !
http://www.korea-dpr.com/kfaorg/official_delegates.htm
C O M M U N I S M i s T H E o n e A N D o n l y W A Y ! ! !
Oh dear! If North Korea is an ideal example of communism then I am certainly not a communist! I think this quote by Bakunin is particularly relevant:
"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality".