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Unfortunately, a lot of people think like that. It's a general competitive NT thing, if you're not the richest and most attractive person you know, you've pretty much failed at life. So to uncompassionate people like that, human beings who never learn to talk have really failed.

SoulSick Wrote:
The truth is your intellectual capacity qualifies you as human or non-human, if non-animals had the same intellectual capacity as us as to speak and communicate with us, we wouldn't be able to so blindly wipe them out as we do now because we'd be able to know that they are sentient, on the level of human sentience.


Actually, being the offspring of human parents makes you human, regardless of abilities or disabilities.

SoulSick Wrote:
In ancient cultures where resources were more scarce, they would have killed that child once they realized it was a burden on the tribe because it would effect their own survival.

The truth is today we have the LUXURY of caring for these people but even still they are a tremendous burden.  Not that I don't agree with you that they aren't people, it's just that NATURE IS EVIL, and we have to make touch decisions about how we allocate resources, that one child sucks up enormous resources that could have been spent on children with more potential.


Read "Testing The Real Intelligence of Autistic Kids," in the current issue of Newsweek (the one on sale till August 27) to see the potential that is being discovered in children who were once thought to have no potential at all. 

amadkiwi Wrote:
We are animals, plain and simple. We just have larger brains. If we hadnt evolved to have such big brains, we would be food for everyone. We cant outrun predators, we cant figh them off, we dont have any fancy defences. Our evolving brain got humans working together in tribes that stuck together, like native americans. Then we created proper weapons out of bronze, iron etc, and by then we had decided it was much more fun to chop each other into small pieces, instead of animals that threatened us. We are the dummest buggers on this planet, coz we kill each other for greed, fun and other stupid reasons. Animals kill other animals for food. The do not kill out of pleasure. Humans are sadistic, cruel and cause large amounts of pain to everyone and everything we touch.

And everything is still evolving. Some animals get random mutations when they are born, and the mutation creates a new trait. Whether this is bigger claws, teeth, better poison, longer neck, whatever, if the trait is beneficial, the animal passes it on. After a few thousand years, all the animals in the species have that trait. Those that dont ahve the better trait do not survive. Animals do not get to a certain point and then stop evolving.

Even sharks, remaining almost the same in the past 350 million years, still evolve. Whether that involves bigger teeth, sharper senses, whatever. They just evolve slower cause they are already damn near perfect predators.


I think it's important to note that there is no such thing as a de-facto "beneficial" trait, that an advantage in one environment is necessarily a hindrance in another--which is to say, no matter how helpful a trait is in one or many circumstances, there is always a circumstance where it is harmful.  Darwin himself said "It is not the fittest of species that survive, but those most responsive to change."  One species might be perfectly adapted to grassland, but then something happens to causes grasses to go extinct within that animal's range.  It may or may not survive, as life is incredibly resilient, but clearly it would be very difficult.  It might be a question of one single individual having a particular mutation, but if there is no such variation, then that species is probably doomed.  

Batman55 Wrote:
Does anyone in this thread have even the slightest belief in God!?


I believe in a symphony of vibrating superstrings, that all that there is is part of a great cosmic music.  That might be more mystical than deist or theist, but it is not inconceivable to me that someone is playing those instruments.

woman from mars Wrote:

Ian Wrote:
PM me hun, if love and mutual affection enter this thread, Louise might explode =p


Love you back cyber son XXXXXXXX


I was talking to Tigger the wing :p

Damn I hate being popular..

Louise18 Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
My 'system' for assessing people is non-existent. I do not have a 'system'. I would not have a 'system' because that is prejudice. I allow everyone to assess themselves and I like everyone until they hurt someone. Louise, you have hurt a lot of people with your prejudice and I can not approve of such behaviour. I have not made any personal remarks as to your worthiness, just your appalling behaviour.

But if I met you I'd probably still give you a hug!


Then you do have a system. Its called whether or not they hurt people. And my appalling behaviour is simply to point out a truth to you: some people are better than others. Why is that so difficult for you to accept?


It is difficult for me to accept because the thing that you feel makes some people "better than others"---intelligence---is something no one can choose or control.  It is sheer luck that you were given the brain you have.  How can you say that your genetic good fortune alone makes you better than someone less fortunate?  

Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day, Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day..
Way to stray from the original subject of the thread, Guys.


Ain't no Nazi like a DEAD Nazi.
Either way this whole thread (now) smacks of Social Darwinism, of the National Socialist variety.
"SIR Roy Meadows was famous for his so called achievements long before the crime was discovered. "

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, Mars :]

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Ian, the saddest part of all this is: if we are unable to persuade a fellow Aspie that prejudice is inherently wrong, how are we going to persuade the 'curebie militia'? Sad



Well, we're not going to. Are we?

It's simple as that.

Ian

Louise18 Wrote:
I am not a national socialist. I believe in freemarket capitalism.


Go Go Literal Rangers!

I'm not on about you i'm on about the *** that falls out of your mind, goes to your hands, and posts itself on the forum.

I'm sure this thread will be deleted for being annoying and inciting people ;p

It's a shame really, the thread started off quite innocent.
*faux geordie accent* Aye! and they're all mental too!

:p
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If I wanted to see "internet tough guys" argueing about Science, i'd have joined stardestroyer.net.
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