09-17-2007, 03:52 PM
09-18-2007, 07:43 PM
I wonder if this is an argument.
09-18-2007, 09:17 PM
A common trait among gifted children is supposed to be constant curiousity.
09-19-2007, 05:48 PM
And if the idea doesn't fit, you will have create a new one?
09-21-2007, 01:28 PM
Autism was just an an example in that bold post of mine,
09-21-2007, 01:36 PM
Louise18 Wrote:
I do not believe in supporting individuals who are a net loss to society and hav eno potential to ever be a net gain. No I do not believe in slave labour but I do believe in recognising your place in life and trying to make a contribution. This is not an aspergers/NT divide. It is to do with capacity to do something worthwhile with your life that has nothing to do whethr you are autistic or not.
My impression now is not that you want society to adjust itself to your view of life's value. But that you want people to consider their own worth and choose whether to reproduce. Should self-esteem be that vital?
Everyone has their definition of good and bad, they are by my definition of relative the most relative words in English vocabulary. Lets say that a child will have cystic phibrosis (not sure how that's spelled in english but anyway) but is the grandchild of a world famous inventor, while the son of the inventor and the father of a child was an unlucky alcoholic. Abort or no abort?
09-21-2007, 01:50 PM
Louise18 Wrote:
That is the job of employers, professors an anyone else intending to financially invest in them.
That is why I mentioned slaves earlier. Every not-perfect "slave" individual would have to "invest" in these "perfect" individuals because they would have to live were the "perfect" individuals would have a higher hierarchical status by birth.
09-21-2007, 02:04 PM
tenaciouscj Wrote:
I agree, Erkolos is very intelligent and expresses his arguments excellently. He is younger than Louise18 (at least I think so) but his comments show so much more of a mature outlook on life.
Gee, thanks. (16yo norwegian)
But Louise have now an excellent learning opportunity, I hope she will take advantage from it like the kind of people she apparently has as ideals.
Money can sometimes be seen as hierarchical status Louise.
09-21-2007, 02:13 PM
Alot of autistics can't get jobs after they have got all that education...
The school have changed in Norway. The new school now focuses intensly on groupwork. Autistic children strived in the school as it was designed before, but now they frequently drop out of school.
The school have changed in Norway. The new school now focuses intensly on groupwork. Autistic children strived in the school as it was designed before, but now they frequently drop out of school.
09-21-2007, 02:18 PM
Louise18 Wrote:
Well no. None of them are perfect it is a scale. And people do not get hierarchical status by birth. They get it through their achievements.
Didn't she say gene screening earlier?
Bah, I leave before I say something stupid.
09-21-2007, 02:45 PM
That's my first time doing that mistake without the
Quote:
, I've seen alot of others doing it, I guess I now know how it feels then...
woman from mars Wrote:
[quote=Louise18]
I'm also sorry Ian.
But I'm with Tigger & Erkolos on this.
NO ONE has the right to call another a pet monkey EVER for ANY reason.
I need to do some work just now..
I'm also sorry Ian.
But I'm with Tigger & Erkolos on this.
NO ONE has the right to call another a pet monkey EVER for ANY reason.
I need to do some work just now..
Yes they do.
Eh? Why? What good does that do?
I can only point out bad things.
09-21-2007, 03:16 PM
It's 17.15 / 5.15 PM here.
I think it was fun on my part, not sure about others...
I think it was fun on my part, not sure about others...
09-22-2007, 06:48 AM
erkolos Wrote:
Well my most recent theory of meaning of life was something about keeping your genes as long as possible in history, cuz that's what creatures always try to evolve into, but anyway. If you say bad things about people you get... let's say... killed, and then your genes vanish from history, it's as simple as that.
Louise18 Wrote:
And by the way, if I were to follow erkolos' advice the better move would not be to stop insulting people, but to freeze my eggs and pay someone else to use them on my death.
You obviously underestimate the consequences of saying offensive things. If you had said things you have said in this thread in a talkshow you would probably at least be less able to get a job, especially a political one, and probably in grave danger too. People would probably hate you by the look of you on the streets.
In Norway there have been an incident where a politician have said that it was parents moral right to abort fetuses with conditions. The political party she was a member of already had a rumour of having racist members, most of them are however reasonable people. There were very strong reactions after the incident and she was kicked out of the political party. She had ideas similar to Louise.
09-22-2007, 11:41 AM
Louise18 Wrote:
I have substantiated my points with more than straw men. Read the WHOLE thread. If I fail to achieve anything of worth, then I deserve to live a life of misery just as anyone else does. I have no interest in a career in politics, and I am prepared to put my neck on the line for my beliefs. If I am attacked the attackers will get their just punishment. And of course extreme intelligence is abnormal. The whole point of normal is that it is what the average person is capable of. Abnormal is anything outside that range in either direction. Abnormal is not an insult it is a statement of fact, and in this case it is the positive things.
Just because WHO YOU ARE is based on random chance, does not mean it is not part of you or that you cannot be judgd on it. It is not a chance outside of you. You are the result and there is no reason you should not be judged for what you are.
Just because WHO YOU ARE is based on random chance, does not mean it is not part of you or that you cannot be judgd on it. It is not a chance outside of you. You are the result and there is no reason you should not be judged for what you are.
The world isn't all about a single abstract thing like "human worth".
09-22-2007, 12:58 PM
When I was 13 I thought the human society was all about "beauty", while Louise as 19 believe in other relative words like "worth".