Erkolos, in response to your point about propagating your genes, do you not think a great achievement such as the lightbulb will be a legacy that lasts much longer than your genetic material?
Everyone's genetic material has existed for thousands of years, there is no reason to suppose that Erkolos is any different unless he was put here by an alien!
Also do you not think you need to make an appraisal of your own genetic material as to quality?..... perhaps you need to appraise yours.
All I have said is that some people are better than others. Some people are worse than me,others are better. And I need a lot of information about them to establish which category they fall into.
You didn't have much information when you made your initial post.
By the way I am 19. And while we are on the subject of psychoanalysing one another. Maybe you will come up with something logical and coherant when you have finished your emotional venting at me.
I am psychoanalysing no one .
You do not know me at all. Therefore it is presumptuous & inappropriate to state that I am emotionally venting.
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I fully intend to have my eggs screened before I use them.
Hmmmm interesting, do you think that you will be able to tolerate the pain?
PM me hun, if love and mutual affection enter this thread, Louise might explode =p
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That is not true. People are inferior if they are less intelligent, or make less of a contribution to society than I do, or have less potential to make such a contribution. In order to categorise them in the way you just did to me, I would need to know their intellectual capacity. You do not know my intellectual capacity. You do not know whether I have given any other human being any comfort or happiness. You do not know if or what charity work I have done. You do not know if I have written a book, or an article or thought of an idea no-one else has. You know none of those things about me. I have just said several times that I need to know those things in order to determine which category they go into.
All you know about me is my age my nationality, where I study and what I have written on this forum. That is all. If that is enough information for you to make an assessment, your system for assessing people must be grossly unjust.
You appear to be using the same criteria for judging us, you don't know if any of us have done all or any of the above either.
Louise18
a question for you.
My 29 year old son has no formal qualifications, & has worked in a petrol filling station for the last 5 years.....where does he fit into your theory?
I don't know. That is not enough information for me. You might tell me that in his spare time he is one of the Leading lights of World Vision. Or that he did an illuminating Dphil on Shakespeare at Cambridge when he was 23. To make a judgement of someone you need to know what their major achievements and major failures in life are. I am guilty, along with most of the population of making a snap decision about someone without really knowing much about them. Thats why you are allowed to change your opinion as the information you have about a person increases.
At least that makes sense, but I think that you suspected that there is more.
Actually this young man, whom many think is JUST a petrol station attendant is now world famous for making Blu-ray technology cheaply available to the world, & although he has no qualifications, University Professors from all over the world are emailing him for advice, the main two researches being petroleum industry & cancer research.
Google blu-ray if you don't believe.
This young man & his brother have AS. Some would say that they are worthless members of society & lack intellectual capacity.
People don't have time to do a background check on every individual they meet. They go with a first impression and they change it if people furnish them with other information. I don't see anything wrong with that. You can only work on the information you have available, even if it is not the whole picture and you sometimes get it wrong.
The point that I was making regarding my boys, is that, the child initially referred to as a 'pet monkey' might or might not have hidden potential.
Regardless it was wrong for him to be referred to as such. That was a snap judgment.
I knew that my son had potential. but this blu-ray thing has only happened in the last 12 months.
I don't see that his first 28 years of life were a waste.
I wouldn't have thought any of his life was a waste if he had achieved nothing that you would consider worthwhile.
But my point is that personality and intelligence are the reasons you judge someone. By opportunity, I mean something that is wholly external. My point is that in the UK most people nowadays get a fair chance to do well in life and to give something back. Alright some people get hit by a car, some people are abused as children etc. But MOST people get a good enough chance to not be a net loss to society. Why shouldn't they be judged if they fail to?
Perhaps if all of your money & your comfortable lifestyle were to be suddenly removed & you were forced top live as some have to you might see things in a different light.
SOME PEOPLE in the UK have a fair chance NOT ALL by any means.
NET LOSS TO SOCIETY??? what kind of nonsense talk is this??
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And I add Erkolos to that.
It is perfectly possible for me to find out enough information about someone to decide whether they are a net gain or a net loss to society and i do not see why it would be wrong to do so.
But you don't bother to do this, you judge people upon academic achievement.
You initially responded to a question I asked of you, that you admired the 'once Queens Surgeon', until I pointed out what he had done.
I would also add that in my opinion, based upon life experience & reading, MANY of these academic high achieving powerful people are some of the worst abusers of people on this earth, I am not just referring to domestic abuse, but any abuse. Abuse of what you would consider 'the underlings' in this world people who for whatever reason can' fight back or for their rights.
I have seen it time & time again
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Academic and creative achievements are the best achievements because they last for all time and such a limited number of people are capable of achieving them. I think I would notice if i met someone behind bars. You are deliberately setting me up to have half the information. In real life I do not get deliberately set up to have none of the relevant information. I would get told about the crime before I found out about the achievement. The crime would be in every newspaper. The achievement somewhere in the smallprint.
If you think that 'I am setting you up', you really do have a problem.
How do you think that we numpties obtain our information??
Well I read ...that does help.
I would get told about the crime before I found out about the achievement. The crime would be in every newspaper. The achievement somewhere in the smallprint.
So you were aware of the crimes of Doctor Harold Shipman & the two Doctors that I read about yesterday before you knew about their achievements?
Yes possibly Shipman, but SIR Roy Meadows was famous for his so called achievements long before the crime was discovered.
