Aspies For Freedom

That's not the point... they deserve respect, anyway.

Why not? They still have feelings, and what we feel is essentially what makes us who we are, no matter what we accomplish. Even if someone does not accomplish anything, that person is still deserves to live just as much as others, and should not be considered inferior. In my opinion, that is what respect is - to not see something as equal or appreciate something for what it is.

Of course, that doesn't mean they should necesarily be regarded as superior in any given field either. But regarded as superior to onesself or worthy to do something... that doesn't seem like respect, it seems more like *honor*.

That is disgusting. If I had the social courage, I would stand up and protest. If someone came to my school and stated that, they would be fired. There was a physics teacher who stated (my school is an all-girls school) several times that boys are better and cleverer than girls. He was promptly fired.

her stupid argument's doesn't have sense because she don't KNOW anything of Autistic Disordes is just an opinion from an Ignorant NT

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now for my two cents


Everybody chill. . . people are entitled to their opinions, no matter how wrong they are.

Why are you all argueing over something as basic as human rights? All humans deserve respect. Animals deserve respect (except wasps). Animals and humans have rights (except wasps, which must be eradicated). The origional post, at the very beginning of this thread was about a sub teacher that called some spec needs kids "pet monkeys". This was wrong, and in the UK teachers can and do get sacked for comments like that. I, personally, would have got very angry at the teacher in particular, just as I do at teachers who mock me for being ginger. Angry to me usually means (depending on how angry) anything from a sharp "telling off" which includes my vast (and I mean vast)vocab of swearwords, to ramming a fire extinguisher into somebodies face.

The teacher in question would probably have been stupid and obnoxious enough to get both treatments

White Anglo-Saxon protestants. . .the entry requirements for the KKK. See, anything to do with wasps are evil!!!

If there were more replies, there would be more idiots replying

I am talking about the bugs. . .evil nasty bugs that sting for the hell of it and follow you round in huge swarms. . .

I was listening to a BBC radio programme last year, the subject matter was 'domestic abuse'.
The person being interviewed was the son of a ' Queens Surgeon ' I don't know if the Surgeons name was given, but I'm sure that he would have been a  very highly respected person.

He was also ( according to his son ) a Master of domestic abuse, he regularly beat his son, once throwing him downstairs causing a skull fracture, on other occasions the boy had broken limbs.
He beat his wife mercilessly & psychologically abused her.
His son said that he had told the wife, that if she ever went for help, he & his colleagues would ensure that she was Sectioned & placed in a Mental Hospital.

Would Louise18 respect this man & the many other professionals of his ilk ?

In my opinion all humans of all intellectual capacity are worthy of respect until they behave in such an evil way that only a human being can.

What about if they are not capable of intellectual capacity? I really dont want to start this arguent up again, but I dont believe you can limit it to only those who can understand what respect is.

I think respect should be earned by everyone and everything, animals included. Animals earn respect because they survive in harsh environments, disabled people earn respect by living with their disability, and ordinary people earn respect by doing something worthy of respect. One of the things that irritates me is people that think they deserve respect, simply because they are who they are. Even though they have done nothing to deserve this respect, they still think they deserve it.

We are animals, plain and simple. We just have larger brains. If we hadnt evolved to have such big brains, we would be food for everyone. We cant outrun predators, we cant figh them off, we dont have any fancy defences. Our evolving brain got humans working together in tribes that stuck together, like native americans. Then we created proper weapons out of bronze, iron etc, and by then we had decided it was much more fun to chop each other into small pieces, instead of animals that threatened us. We are the dummest buggers on this planet, coz we kill each other for greed, fun and other stupid reasons. Animals kill other animals for food. The do not kill out of pleasure. Humans are sadistic, cruel and cause large amounts of pain to everyone and everything we touch.

And everything is still evolving. Some animals get random mutations when they are born, and the mutation creates a new trait. Whether this is bigger claws, teeth, better poison, longer neck, whatever, if the trait is beneficial, the animal passes it on. After a few thousand years, all the animals in the species have that trait. Those that dont ahve the better trait do not survive. Animals do not get to a certain point and then stop evolving.

Even sharks, remaining almost the same in the past 350 million years, still evolve. Whether that involves bigger teeth, sharper senses, whatever. They just evolve slower cause they are already damn near perfect predators.

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My religion

Think of what would happen if there was a lion in your classroom/office/whereever. You wouldnt have to be the fastest person to get away and not get eaten. You would just have to not be the slowest.

But why does it matter? If the son and wife didn't achieve academically, they're worthless anyway. *sarcasm*

Society as a whole includes those you call lowly. In fact, it's pretty much made up of those you call lowly.

You still didn't respond to my second point, anyway. Until you do, I won't believe it's fallacious.

I do think it is possible this thread has gotten confused on the point of what "respect" means.

I can't say I understand what the word really means in the context of this thread.

Initially, I thought it was possible that Louise was referring to respect in her definition- which seemed to be applicable only to people she especially admires. It seems mean, since we talk about respecting those who are MR or can't seem to get a job and require additional services. But do we really mean respect? Or do we mean 'treat these people like fellow humans'? Or is that what respect means?