05-07-2007, 01:10 PM
05-07-2007, 01:55 PM
Sounds good, I'll have to see if I can get ahold of it!
05-08-2007, 09:33 AM
Noetic Wrote:
silky Wrote:
Does this author think a person can be both AS and HFA?
No - it's confusing from its title, but I tried to separate them by using the title AS + ODD, OCD, Bipolar, NVLD & AS vs. HFA, ADD & TS
In the first part he deals with combinations of AS + ODD, OCD, Bipolar or NVLD vs. the second with differences between AS and HFA, AS and ADD as well as AS and Tourette's (technically according to the DSM IV you can't have AS + ADD or TS, even though the symptoms of both ADD and TS are often 'part of' AS)...
The bold print is ridiculous. I very clearly have a lot of ADD going on with me, and stimulants such as caffeine are a massive help in terms of acquiring clarity, extra focus (sustained), and even learning things at a faster rate than usual. I'd be lost without stimulants.
That's why it really bothers me that I might have to stop drinking coffee to figure out what's causing my strange health problems... I am fully dependent on it for a whole variety of reasons, not just the buzz and the extra motivational kick, but also for the effect on my ADD.
05-08-2007, 11:34 AM
I know I have diagnoses of both AS and ADD. I've checked my psychiatric files. Although I have noticed that the stimulant meds I'm on make me feel weird...simultaneously giddy and anxious. Also, they seem to be a diuretic. The doctor swears they aren't, but I have to go to the bathroom a lot more when I'm on them, and when I don't take them I pee a normal amount.
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)05-09-2007, 08:12 AM
Noetic Wrote:
Batman55 Wrote:
The bold print is ridiculous. I very clearly have a lot of ADD going on with me, and stimulants such as caffeine are a massive help in terms of acquiring clarity, extra focus (sustained), and even learning things at a faster rate than usual. I'd be lost without stimulants.
It's still true - technically in the DSM IV, you *cannot* be diagnosed with ADD and AS, because one of the exclusion criteria in ADD in the DSM is that the ADD symptoms MUST not be caused by a pervasive developmental disorder.
Not that I agree with it as such, that's just the way the DSM is worded though. You can of course have ASD with attentional/executive dysfunction, tics etc. Nobody is denying that. But "officially" in the DSM IV, if you have an ASD then the executive dysfunction is classed as part of that.
Personally I think it's rubbish, because some people on the spectrum have ADD-like symptoms from Bipolar rather than ADD and to class that the same as someone who has an ASD and ADD traits can be very dangerous - Add stimulant meds to someone who is bipolar and you have mania and psychosis on your hands. (It has been probven to permanently mess withthe cycling frequency and rhythm of Bipolar patients)
Interesting, I've always wondered why I'm so extraordinarily sensitive to stimulants--I mentioned before that Ritalin would make me paranoid psychotic for up to 5 hours straight, among other reasons--now I wonder if it may be more because of some "bipolar affective" thing alongside my AS, rather than ADD.
I wonder if this might account for my ADD symptoms, rather than ADD itself? I'm not sure. I do know that "they say" that ADD is a frequent comorbid to AS. I think I have ADD. So I dunno.
05-09-2007, 08:18 AM
Noetic Wrote:
tenaciouscj Wrote:
Whatever you do, don't suddenly go off coffee as you will get withdrawal symptoms such as nausea and headache. If you want to try seeing if coffee is causing any of your symptoms, try reducing by one cup a day over a period of at least a month. It's probably not the coffee that's causing the difficulties (unless you're drinking more than about 4 cups a day)
From less than 4 cups a day he's it's not likely to have a massive withdrawal... I did "come off" all caffeine for about half a year (and still limit it to 1-2 small cans of diet Coke *maximum* per working day - coffee makes me sleepy anyway so I don't drink it) and I used to drink 2+ litres of diet coke per day before that. I was a bit grumpy and had a slight headache but nothing major.
I should like to add that officially the amount of coffee is about 4 cups a day for me, but I make it so strong that the amount of caffeine is probably closer to what you get in 6 or even 7 cups. My tolerance is so high that to get an appreciable effect, I have to make it strong.
In your next post you said that the "above also goes for those with ASD and OCD combined type, which leads to distractibility" and I HAVE NO IDEA what that means.
05-09-2007, 08:25 AM
Noetic Wrote:
Batman55 Wrote:
The bold print is ridiculous. I very clearly have a lot of ADD going on with me, and stimulants such as caffeine are a massive help in terms of acquiring clarity, extra focus (sustained), and even learning things at a faster rate than usual. I'd be lost without stimulants.
It's still true - technically in the DSM IV, you *cannot* be diagnosed with ADD and AS, because one of the exclusion criteria in ADD in the DSM is that the ADD symptoms MUST not be caused by a pervasive developmental disorder.
Not that I agree with it as such, that's just the way the DSM is worded though. You can of course have ASD with attentional/executive dysfunction, tics etc. Nobody is denying that. But "officially" in the DSM IV, if you have an ASD then the executive dysfunction is classed as part of that.
Personally I think it's rubbish, because some people on the spectrum have ADD-like symptoms from Bipolar rather than ADD and to class that the same as someone who has an ASD and ADD traits can be very dangerous - Add stimulant meds to someone who is bipolar and you have mania and psychosis on your hands. (It has been probven to permanently mess withthe cycling frequency and rhythm of Bipolar patients)
When I was using amphetamines, I would get manic and psychotic from even the smallest doses. It wasn't affecting me like it would with someone with ADD... I had read that some folks with ADD/ADHD can take up to 60mg of amphetamines (Adderall, Dexedrine) and still feel sleepy. With me it was the other way around... 10mg and I was focused and very energized, 20mg I was both incredibly focused and euphoric at the same time (but also paranoid/anxious), beyond that I was outright psychotic.
Eventually it seemed like the less I took of the stimulants, the better the effect... the more I took, the more "psychotic" I felt and eventually just 5mg (yes... FIVE milligrams) of amphetamine made me paranoid psychotic for up to 2 days straight.
Everyone I talked to about amphetamines thought my reaction was very strange, especially for someone who allegedly has ADD.
Go figure...
05-10-2007, 09:24 AM
Noetic Wrote:
Batman55 Wrote:
In your next post you said that the "above also goes for those with ASD and OCD combined type, which leads to distractibility" and I HAVE NO IDEA what that means.
That people with OCD who get stimulants also tend to go psychotic or react otherwise very very badly.
I don't have OCD but I do have OCPD...
05-10-2007, 09:25 AM
Batman55 Wrote:
Noetic Wrote:
Batman55 Wrote:
In your next post you said that the "above also goes for those with ASD and OCD combined type, which leads to distractibility" and I HAVE NO IDEA what that means.
That people with OCD who get stimulants also tend to go psychotic or react otherwise very very badly.
I don't have OCD but I do have OCPD...
I really don't know what to think anymore. What I do know is that I am highly sensitive to stimulants and I'm told stimulant sensitivity runs in families, but in my case, I am the only one. I'm the only one who "really gets high" from relatively average amounts of caffeine.
05-10-2007, 09:30 AM
Noetic Wrote:
There are a few rare cases of Schizophrenia and psychosis that appear to have been triggered by amphetamines at the doses you reported, however as with marijuana it is usually more a case of someone showing Schizoid and Schizotypal traits first and only developing full-blown psychosis etc. when a trigger occurs (often drugs, sometimes devastating or traumatic incidents etc.)
http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/reprint/15/6/498.pdf
http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/reprint/15/6/498.pdf
I believe I have more Schizotypal traits than Schizoid, I have been known to be very paranoid, even back when I wasn't using any drug (not even antidepressants) I did develop a serious problem with paranoia. Of course amphetamines made that a LOT worse, and maybe that's why I got psychotic so quickly/easily on them.
What I do know is that generally someone with ADD is "not supposed" to get paranoid psychotic on amphetamine-type drugs, but I did, even when I was on an anti-anxiety med at the same time.
05-11-2007, 08:44 AM
Noetic Wrote:
Batman55 Wrote:
I don't have OCD but I do have OCPD...
This thread isn't about you though it's about a book I read, and I had forgotten to add OCD to the list of conditions that react badly to stimulants but may look a bit like ADD (otherwise why would they be given stimulants?).
I like your new AV... did you make it yourself?
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