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All I know about it is the title and that it's up for an Oscar for Documentary Short Subject. Anything else?
Sounds interesting.

(I always think this around Oscar time, but I want to make a documentary about myself...)
Wonder if they'll have it on tv, I'd love to see it.

jerrynewport Wrote:
I have known Sue Rubin since 1992. I am very skeptical that her communication is authentic.



Jerry
  what does that mean?? Not authentic how?

Here are a few links to check out more on facilitated communication. In my opinion it is nothing more than a hoax for the most part.

http://soeweb.syr.edu/thefci/apafc.htm

From http://www.skeptic.com/02.3.green-fc.html

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The necessary control was established in a number of ways. In some studies, facilitators were simply asked to look at their partner and not the letter display, or were actually screened from the letter display. These kinds of tests were suggested by the observation that many facilitators focus intently on the letters while their partners look at the letters infrequently, if at all. Others presented visual stimuli like pictures, objects, or printed materials only to the FC user while the facilitator was screened from seeing them. Alternatively, spoken questions were presented only to the FC user while their facilitator wore earplugs or headphones playing masking noise. Several evaluations used a procedure described as "message passing:" FC users were engaged in some familiar activities in the absence of facilitators, who then used FC to solicit descriptions of the activities. A couple of evaluations involved independent facilitators, unfamiliar with the FC user, who solicited information that was presumably unknown to the facilitator (e.g., the FC user's favorite food, a recent event in their life, names of family members, etc.).

The Results
The most telling evaluations used double-blind procedures, in which facilitators and their partners saw or heard different items on some trials, and the same item on other trials. Neither could tell what information their partner was receiving. Responses that corresponded to information presented to the facilitator and not to their partner provided direct evidence that facilitators were controlling those FC productions. Multiple tasks and control procedures were used by several investigators. Facilitators in all evaluations had been trained by leading proponents of FC, or by others who had had such training. They seemed representative of the general population of facilitators, including parents, paraprofessionals, teachers, speech pathologists, and other human service workers. The sample of FC users in these evaluations also appeared representative, comprising a total of 194 children and adults with autism, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, and related disorders.

None of these controlled evaluations produced compelling evidence that FC enabled individuals with disabilities to demonstrate unexpected literacy and communication skills, free of the facilitator's influence. Many messages were produced over numerous trials and sessions, but the vast majority were accurate and appropriate to context only when the facilitator knew what was to be produced. The strong inference is that facilitators authored most messages, although most reported that they were unaware of doing so. Sixteen evaluations found no evidence whatsoever of valid productions. A total of 23 individuals with various disabilities in nine different evaluations made accurate responses on some occasions when their facilitators did not know the answers, but most of those productions were commensurate with or less advanced than the individuals' documented skills without FC. That is, they were primarily single words and an occasional short phrase, produced on some trials by individuals whose vocal or signed communication exceeded that level, some of whom had documented reading skills before they were introduced to FC. For most of these individuals, there was clear evidence that on many other trials their facilitators controlled the productions. The controlled evaluations also demonstrated that most facilitators simply could not tell when and how much they were cueing their partners, emphasizing the importance of systematic, controlled observations for identifying the source of "facilitated" messages. The legal, ethical, and practical implications of these findings are obvious and serious. Together with the legal cases and critical media reports, they have made it a little more acceptable to voice skepticism about FC.


http://www.cqc.state.ny.us/hottopics/fchot.htm

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A research committee was formed, and great care was taken in planning a research study design on which everyone agreed. Facilitators would be "blind" to the photographs that the students would see, and the interactions and environment was designed to keep the student as comfortable as possible. The results were shattering.

After three months, running hundreds of trials with 12 students and 9 facilitators, there was not one single correct response. There was overwhelming evidence of facilitator influence, albeit unconscious. Facilitators were devastated, as expected because of their emotional investment in the technique; however, after a period of time, they came to their own conclusions about FC. Reaction to the results of the published study had also been "intense and overwhelming." Correspondence came from all over the world: families who were torn apart because of abuse allegations; fathers who were in jail because of allegations; mothers whose children had been placed in foster care; and professional staff who had been "ostracized" for not believing.

According to Doug Wheeler, since his study, there have been some 25 other studies that confirm O.D. Heck's findings. There has not been any objective evidence to confirm that facilitated communication is a legitimate technique for communication. [Complete article]

Thanks for posting that Woodpeace, it was very interesting to read.
Thanks, Woodpiece, you convinced me that Sue Rubin is authentic. Since now she is able to type on her own for short periods, that's enough evidence for me.

That doesn't mean I don't believe that a lot of facilitated communication is the facilitator speaking. But every time the person starts actually typing him/herself without help, that's convincing for sure.

jerrynewport Wrote:
I have seen Sue numerous times and it has never looked authentic. The mom hovers constantly over her. You  can't actually see what she types. Mom tells you from a safe distance. If it is authentic, it needs better public demonstration.

                                Jerry Newport


Are you sure it really is always just the mother telling people what she is typing? Have you never seen anything she had just typed? She should know that if she is for real, that she needs to prove it really is her typing and have somebody else other than her mother read what she says.

She does say that she has a 'staff' of facilitators, and always has one of them help her (I wonder who pays for all those people). Meaning that she usually communicates through a facilitator.

'sigh' Now you made me doubt her story again. Because just seeing that she is typing something from a distance, but never being able to see what she is typing (having to take her mother's word for it) is not proof enough to convince me that she is truly the author of all her writings.

I guess now I will have to do more research on the subject, because I need to know the truth.

Jerry, is it possible that she has downs and autism, around 10% of those with downs have autism too.
I know thats not the particular point you are making.
One thing that Sue Rubin wrote was that people with autism dont lack imagination and dont lack theory of mind, that it is a myth.
I dont completely agree with that, I think some are like that to a certain degree, and some arent. Its interesting how she describes that point as a fact for everyone on the spectrum, in the same way that Temple Grandin did with the all autists think in pictures thing.
Maybe Sue's views on that give credence to it being her words and opinions.
I read through some of Sue's writings, and find that so much she says is what  the stereotypical statements are from people who want to cure people with autism. She says she is trapped in a body which doesn't cooperate. She is totally incapable of talking normally, all that comes out of her is echolalia. I have never heard that anybody with a normal to superiour IQ couldn't controll that to some extent. I will also repeat what others say, and what I say at times. But not all the time! If she really has Downs Syndrome as well as being autistic, she can't possibly have an IQ of 130.

She says that she was tested to have an IQ of 24 before typing (which I understand, because IQ tests test for knowledge, and you have to be able to read and write), but then she says a year later, she was tested to have an IQ of 130. She learned enough in ONE YEAR, to jump from 24 to 130? She also says she didn't think at all until she started typing, but was able to read and write as soon as she started typing. How is that possible if she didn't think?

She never went to any school, until she started junior highschool, and took honours courses, getting excellent marks. I find all that hard to believe.
Its an unusual set of circumstances, if there is anyway that Sue could contact us I would be very pleased to have her viewpoint.
I know that before I talked/typed online and used it as way of communicating to others, (this was from a year ago) I found it extremely difficult to know my feelings and talk about it, having used typing to express myself has made the way I think easier to examine and I am much more aware of my feelings now.

Amy Wrote:
Its an unusual set of circumstances, if there is anyway that Sue could contact us I would be very pleased to have her viewpoint.
I know that before I talked/typed online and used it as way of communicating to others, (this was from a year ago) I found it extremely difficult to know my feelings and talk about it, having used typing to express myself has made the way I think easier to examine and I am much more aware of my feelings now.


I believe you, Amy. But of course, you could read and write and think before that. I also find that I can express my feelings better in writing. But I have been thinking all my life.

If she answers you in writing, how do you know it is really her answering you? You wouldn't know if it is her mother, would you? There is only one way of really knowing, and that would be to see her typing her answers, and you reading them as she types. Or for her to actually talk to you in person.

But as Jerry says, it seems impossible to talk to her without her parent's interference. Which is precisely part of what makes me suspicious.

If people are manipulating her, it makes me mad. She does indeed appear Downs to me, but I could be wrong. I've known somebody with Downs, but not autism. She was easily manipulated and therefore was in constant trouble. The idea of this girl being manipulated is concerning...
If anyone knows Sue in real life can you post and reassure us that she is communicating herself and is well cared for?
*megabump*

Sue Robin was the one who wrote she wanted a cure in a late article right?
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