implying that without early intervention autistic children can turn into a person like Cho is horrifying to me.
Yikes... grab your torch and pitch fork... I am SO not getting a diagnosis...
implying that without early intervention autistic children can turn into a person like Cho is horrifying to me.
Yikes... grab your torch and pitch fork... I am SO not getting a diagnosis...
all of a sudden willful under-achiever doesn't sound so bad.
I think it is quite apparent that Cho does not have any autism at all, as they don't have the mindset to go on a murdering spree, to make a video tape proclaiming why they are doing it, to actually stalk people, to take pictures and plan it, and then refer to it as Jesus' work. That is a classic schizophrenic dementia case, and not for one second will I believe that he's autistic because of something his "aunt" said who doesn't even speak English, and who most likely doesn't even know what autism is and was just told to say that.
I don't think we should sympathize too much with the killer, but I agree that this could have been prevented, probably by stopping the abuse he was going through.
It could have been prevented by prohibiting someone already certified by the courts as a danger from purchasing firearms!
Once again I disagree. I apologize if I sound blatantly ignorant but I personally think the media concocted this autism story and told the grandparents or whomever to say it. My grandmother was born in Canada and is 82 and she barely knew much of autism, and you expect me to believe that an 85 year old who emigrated here who couldn't speak English properly does? Its bogus. I must stress also that when being diagnosed, the Doctor, who has been an autism specialist and now is chief of the hospital for autism, who has been in it for over 25 years, stated that "they may get frustrated sometimes and yell, but they won't do anything violent. Knowing this, your son most likely be into drugs and alcohol, commit crimes etc." There.
theosoph, I have no disrespect for people who immigrated here or Asians at all (my Nonna came here from Italy) but they were on the spot from the media about why he would do that, and instead of them saying "we neglected to get him the help he needed for schizophrenia" they were told to say autism, or they came up with it. They aren't even saying he has asperger's, they are saying he has straight up autism, because he "didn't speak to his mother as a kid". Well excuse me, but as someone else said you can confuse the two.
Also, he was admitted to a psychiatric ward or facility a while back where they conducted their own examinations and came to the conclusion that he had a form of schizophrenia and nothing else. Even the profilers aren't saying that. If they try and blame autism for this hideous and tragic crime, the autism societies will be on their asses I guarantee it. The majority of the population has no idea what autism is other than "not speaking" and they can be easily misled into believing we're all violent. That would mean a closer look what be on us at school. I don't know what kind of agenda this is, but nothing can change the fact that in his mind he went through with the terrible things he did, and it has nothing to do with autism.
You are absolutely right Gareth. There must be some agenda going on that the media wants to give autistics a bad name, and the autistic community has to come out and say "That's not true at all. Everything the media is stating about autistic killers etc is false. You could pinpoint anyone and say they have one autistic trait." The autism societies and we should go after the media for this slanderous behaviour.
It was a psychopathic episode. Schitzophrenia and Psychopathy are psychotic disorders. In the same way Depression and anxiety are Neurotic disorders. This psychotic episode was a real result of his psychopathic disorder.
As to whether he deserves sympathy. Some may argue he does. I wouldn't. I think had he have survived the massacre, he should have been put down like the mad dog he was.
Um, no. There's no such thing as "psychopathy" - the closest disorder is Antisocial Personality Disorder, and that's a personality disorder.
People who commit crimes during a psychotic episode have totally lost contact with reality and don't know that what they're doing is wrong: eg, a schizophrenic patient stabs Johnny Random because she honestly believes that he's a Martian invader, as truly as you or I believe the sky is blue. On the other hand, psychopaths know exactly what they're doing and are perfectly aware that it's wrong - they just don't care.
The terms "psychotic" and "psychopathic" may sound alike, but that's only because they have the same root word - as does "psychic" and "psychology". They don't actually have anything to do with each other.
why not do a jack thompson,and threaten to sue any newspaper that publishes 'slander' against people with AS?
that way,we get slightly more positive coverage,make it clear that we are not stupid,and maybe make the daily hate mail finally shut its bigoted,lying,hypocritical rasist mouth.
of course,i am dreaming..
but,when i saw the reports about the shootings,my first thought was 'oh ***,thats gonna hurt the movement...'
we need to write a lot of indignant letters,to major-and even minor- papers and news services denoucing what happened and revoking his supposed AS,whilst enforcing the image that we are peaceful intellectuals
any (paid up) members of Mensa here,try to get it put into the community( i would,but i never paid for the membership fees,thus... >_<
yeah,i respect that you have enough faith to bring it to the table,as it were,but i am a Asatruar,and i seriously doubt jesus did for me.in fact,alot of your religious 'backstory' can be found in Norse and Celtic mythology,but this is not the time nor place for it.
why would i ask your God anything,i dont belive in him,or,to be honest,any god.
And in other news,the mass riots have occurred after the bible was re-united with its first page:
this book is a work of fiction.any resemblence to real events is purely coincidental...
Saying "You are a good person you should believe in us. We have nice, wholesome values....of course if you don't you will never get into heaven when you die and you will spend an eternity burning in a hell of nightmare proprtions"
I was born and raised Catholic.
The above so colorfully explains the ludicrous "in you follow the clubhouse rules, you'll be saved", quite well. And it's certainly one reason I'm not much of a practicing Catholic, anymore.
Neither Rome nor my own Church, the Orthodox Church, is a hardcore stickler to that "believe or be damned" attitude of Protestantism. Rome has the doctrine of "invincible ignorance"--if ones life circumstances simply do not permit one to accept Christ, due to abuse, upbringing, etc., then a merciful God would not be a legalistic git about it. Orthodoxy, being less legalistic than Rome, says things like "While I can say with some certainty who is in the Church, I cannot say with any certainty who is not."
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All of us with varying degrees of Aspergers or Autism or other mental problems on this website are not ALL sick, just the ones that claim there is nothing wrong with them, do nothing to change, and demand that others stop reacting to their bad behaviors. I freely admit I needed help, and still do, and that I don't have all knowledge, and so should you and the other experts on this thread.
there IS nothing wrong with me
i will do NOTHING to change
if,by bad behaviors,you mean things like Stimming,then yeah,i'l do that regardless of what anyone thinks
there IS nothing wrong with me
i will do NOTHING to change
if,by bad behaviors,you mean things like Stimming,then yeah,i'l do that regardless of what anyone thinks
What about "being more empathetic and branching out within your community"? Doing community service because it's outside the self-interest zone? I think SavedbyGod may be suggesting that Aspergian self-interest (doing things you yourself are interested in, to the exclusion of the demands/expectations of those around you) is a bad behavior and that "it should be corrected."
That is just my guess of what he means.
I certainly won't do anything to change my Aspie-ness, in general. What's the point in "fighting your own identity." That's likely to cause more problems than it solves.
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yeah...i HAVE no local community.the people my age are hideous towards me,as are those younger.their parents revile me.everyone else are OAPs or have no kids.
its very clicky.if you dont fit in,dont try.
Bodiam.pop.approx 150.
outsiders:7
4 aspies
one LFA
one Emo
one Rocker.
thats all the people i consider good friends,or in the same exclusion zone,as it were.
branch out in the locol cammun?f- off.
