04-19-2007, 09:37 PM
Just the fact that they mention autism in connection with Cho is bad enough. Bear, as you said in the other thread people will just put the two things togther.
04-19-2007, 09:37 PM
04-20-2007, 07:18 AM
I was just waiting for this to happen 
04-20-2007, 07:58 AM
Until I had read this thread I didn't know that Cho was diagnosed with autism as a child. I have not seen or heard anything about his alleged autism in the British media.
04-20-2007, 12:08 PM
What I find interesting is that we are suppposedly being born in "epidemic" proportions now, however the number of autistic people who have committed violent crimes seem to be extremely low, to the extent that it is still news when a so-called "autistic" person loses control after years of abuse.
I don't know if Cho was or was not autistic, but from what I've read, he was abused for decades.
I don't think autism or schizophrenia or anything else is to blame; it's the people who tortured him for decades that have to share the responsiblity for this horrific crime.
Alison
I don't know if Cho was or was not autistic, but from what I've read, he was abused for decades.
I don't think autism or schizophrenia or anything else is to blame; it's the people who tortured him for decades that have to share the responsiblity for this horrific crime.
Alison
04-20-2007, 04:02 PM
i told my dad the minute the news said he wa sthe shooter i bet the pin the aspie label on him. i really hope they would not. is shooting had nothing to due with him been autisc if he ever relly was.
04-20-2007, 04:56 PM
Nivek Wrote:
It could have been prevented if there was no bullying, abuse etc... (like what so many others are going through)...if he got love/kindness/frienship instead....
The bullying definitely helped it along. But this isn't the simple case of a poor kid who was bullied to the point where he snapped. there are obvious mental problems here, and people apparently did try to reach out, but he shut himself in further and further.
And I hate to bring the gun issue in, but look at how easy it was for him to get a gun even though legally he would've been prohibited.
04-20-2007, 06:01 PM
kylo4 Wrote:
Once again I disagree. I apologize if I sound blatantly ignorant but I personally think the media concocted this autism story and told the grandparents or whomever to say it. My grandmother was born in Canada and is 82 and she barely knew much of autism, and you expect me to believe that an 85 year old who emigrated here who couldn't speak English properly does? Its bogus. I must stress also that when being diagnosed, the Doctor, who has been an autism specialist and now is chief of the hospital for autism, who has been in it for over 25 years, stated that "they may get frustrated sometimes and yell, but they won't do anything violent. Knowing this, your son most likely be into drugs and alcohol, commit crimes etc." There.
The 85 year aunt old lives in Korea I believe and is not an immigrant. She was speaking in Korean and what she said was translated so it could be a mistranlation. It could actually be that the people of Korea are more informed about autism than you think.
04-20-2007, 09:56 PM
DogBrain Wrote:
It could have been prevented by prohibiting someone already certified by the courts as a danger from purchasing firearms!
All too true. I suppose then that somebody would have said that was in infringement on his civil liberty to bear arms. But I agree completely that he should never have been able to get his hands on a gun.
04-24-2007, 01:23 AM
SavedByGod Wrote:
Jesus is the Son of God, and God raised him from the dead. By the stripes of Jesus we are healed and set free, not by some psychiatrist's couch or medication.
This website is for the sick, seeking freedom, is it not?
This website is for the sick, seeking freedom, is it not?
No, we are not sick. Freedom here means freedom from discrimination. Please read "Welcome To AFF" on the homepage.
04-24-2007, 07:34 PM
mass murder and autism have nothing to do with each other. Bad breath and mass murder have nothing to do with each other.
So great, when and if I ever get a job, I can have people asking me again if I am going to "go postal".
So great, when and if I ever get a job, I can have people asking me again if I am going to "go postal".
04-26-2007, 10:21 PM
Callista Wrote:
First, if you're working towards your strengths, it'll fill in your deficiencies eventually. That's a perfectly valid method.
My tea bags say something to that avail as well (Yogi brand herbal teas usually have a blurb of wisdom stamped on the bag tag, often quite confusing stuff like "Live for each other") 
04-27-2007, 06:44 PM
Batman55 Wrote:
Well I feel this is the approach which works best for Aspies. Usually are deficiencies are "in another dimension," meaning "so profound" you can't compare them to NT weaknesses... that's why my last therapist made me feel so bad... he was comparing me to normal kids, and the only neurodiverse thing he brought up was ADD. But he didn't seem to use ADD as an "understanding".. he almost seemed to use it as something against me. Or so I believed, in the end.
Do I "hear" something resembling a positive, pro-active tone in this post? I'm pleased to read this Batman55 as your recent negativism was quite upsetting (frustrating because I can't do anything about it, yet I can't stop trying).
04-27-2007, 11:23 PM
alexmagnus Wrote:
On the suddenly appearing religious stuff (not the best thread for it): Jesus himself never said he was literally the son of God. The Aramean word for "son" means also "similar". And "similar to God" are we all (according to Genesis, God created us similar to him). So, in the sense of Jesus, we are all "sons of God". BTW that's the reason why the main Christian prayer begins with "pater noster" - "OUR father". We are all what Jesus said - similar to God, i.e. God's sons.
The same with the word "Human's son". We are all human's sons. When Jesus refers to Son of God or Human Son, he means everyone of us.
The same with the word "Human's son". We are all human's sons. When Jesus refers to Son of God or Human Son, he means everyone of us.
I am not religious as such but this is very much a way of reading these statements that makes complete sense to me.
05-01-2007, 06:14 PM
nyanchan Wrote:
Bottom line. People love to connect AS to some kind of psychopathy, and to say that this makes people violent. Of course that's bullshit.
The fact that AS was originally called "Autistic Psychopathy" probably doesn't help. "Die Autistischen Psychopaten" was the name of Asperger's seminal paper on the four boys he described in detail.
Of course psychopathy in those days was a term used interchangeably with personality disorder, but most people nowadays wouldn't know that.
05-01-2007, 07:00 PM
ichtms Wrote:
A more holistic view would be more useful. Now it seems like it is Asperger/Autism that is on trial (the yeast in the bread, sort of).[/color]
Indeed but then there is little agreement over *exactly* what AS is (among diagnosticians, researchers etc.), it's hard to expect the public to be able to do what hundreds of researchers can't even agree on.