Aspies For Freedom

I haven't read the Thread, but would like to add a Post Script from an earlier PM that I sent to a friend on AFF:

Beammeup Wrote:

A sad note: Todays Headline in the paper was about the horrific killings at a college in Virginia. I'm sure it's gone global in the news. I fear to speculate that it was a misdiagnosed individual, given the wrong prescription that sent his brain into a psychotic rampage.

Yeah, there certainly is a prejudice against loners, whether they have Asperger's or not. I'm just worried now because people are saying to look for the warning signs and if you see a kid who's quiet and doesn't socialize, to be wary of him/her. People will now be scrutinizing loners, unfortunately. I think people will now be trying to talk to me because I don't fit in, either that or they'll run away in fear. It's ridiculous. I know I got a lot of jokes directed at me in high school, people thinking and saying I might "go Columbine" and things like that. It's so stupid that people who are mainstream, or popular or whatever think it's them who are normal, while loners are "mentally disturbed", or "deranged", or "ticking time bombs". What a messed up world full of idiots that we live in.

theosoph Wrote:

I suppose that depends on where in Amerikkka you live. I live in Hawaii and the demographics here are completely different than in the rest of the country. When Byran Uyesugi shot several of his coworkers here, his race or ethnicity was not an issue simply because he is part of the majority here. He was just considered a psycho as if he were white and committed his crime on the mainland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byran_Uyesugi

You're right in saying that Hawaii is different in regards to Asian Americans. During WWII the 150,000 Japanese Americans of Hawaii weren't indiscriminately put into internment camps, unlike the 100,000+ Japanese Americans of the US West Coast, because the government, media, and business community of Hawaii fought against it.

There is a definitely need of acceptance and understanding from the greater community to avoid the all too common "they're all the same" response.

maybe i didnt make what i meant clear...

I still learn those things like not trusting some people like i used to and being more cautious and it still hurts what happened to me growing up, its just... i dont stay angery for long, it turns into sadness and goes inward instead of outward anger.

And part of it i guess is some things i did manage to learn when i was little, 'like dont hate the person hate the action' is one. i dunno.. all i know is i dont want to punch my stepmom for what she did to me or anything... it can just make me feel depressed when i think about it.

Max the Bear Wrote:

Elly, I think loners and "people who are not sociable" have been targeted since the beginning of time. Homo Sapiens tend to be herd animals, and people who don't have,or don't respond to, that herd mentality have always been the object of witch-hunts, ostracism and suspicion. The Cho Seung Hui will just make it worse -- loners be pointed to -- "See! That's what those weirdos are! That's what they do!" Sad, indeed...

Yes, there you go, they always want to categorize people, to create and us and them mentality. To dismiss people who aren't like them or who don't socialize, or don't fit in as being wrong or abnormal. Society will search for ways to slap that label on someone, whether it's racial, religious, gender, social, mental, emotional, intellectual, etc. They think people are soup cans and can be labeled like that, and the ones who don't run with the herd are the ones that aren't normal, or good, or right. I think it's one of the reasons why we have these school shootings in the first place...because society is so damn moronic!!!

Noetic Wrote:

Marianna Wrote:

Yes, there you go, they always want to categorize people, to create I think it's one of the reasons why we have these school shootings in the first place...because society is so damn moronic!!!

I wouldn't exactly say that generalising so massively as to referring to whole societies as "moronic" is a very clever thing to say either.

I do agree though with the notion that "bad apples" and "bad herds" (because it is a proven fact that groups of people are capable of nastiness they would *never* even think of on their own, let alone act on) are often behind pushing a person to the edge. However before it is "too late" and one snaps, there are places to tur to before one goes and slaughters dozens of innocents alongside those one perceives as "evil".

What I mean to say is that society, and by society, I am not referring to individuals, I am referring to the collective mass media and the hypocrisy that permeates the infrastructure, is basically idiotic. Again, there are exceptions to people living in the society, because everyone is an individual, what I am referring to is the structure, the way things are run. Because when you look at the way things are run, no matter where you are located on the map, things are handled pretty much the same way. Whenever something like this happens, the media and the leaders of the society (like Bush for example) will go on and condemn what happened as horrific, evil, and wrong, but they will never look at themselves in the mirror and realize what they are doing. (Look at the war in Iraq for example and decide for yourself how hypocritical and idiotic it is for Bush to claim to condemn violence.) Sorry if you misunderstood, but what I mean by society, is society as a whole...not individuals, but group mentalities, what I like to call the system, and the way it functions. Because if you look at every major crisis that has occured in the U.S., they are always handled very similarly. Which goes to show that there is a constant and unchanging system, and it itself is moronic, and society therefore refers to it and the people in charge of maintaining it, and those who support it.

Some people are just not equipped to deal with the human world. I recently saw a homeless man on the TV news. They asked him if he needed help and he said "I just want to go back to jail where I feel safe." That's sad, but there are lots of people like that.

I have to respond to that, because I 100% disagree. Cho is not autistic, and I'll go to my grave knowing he wasn't. That's why NO FBI profilers have even made a mention of it. I'm AS and I was bullied to the point of depression and anger and I never once ever thought of taking someone else's life. It never even came into my mind, so that is a complete load of bullshit. Cho did not have autism, and its a sensationalized story that 3 journalists have written about.

Hey Max the Bear,

I’m relatively new here. Don’t know you. I have appreciated your content very much. So take the following with a “grain of salt”. Read my tag line.

I’ve learned thus far that many of us here are very literal, including myself and my girls, so I included Wiki’s definition of “With a grain of salt” at the end.

Max the Bear Wrote:

...this isn't a popular or politically correct thing to say...

Correct. Might suggest condoning such an act!

Max the Bear Wrote:

..."gee... maybe **** with the geeks isn't worth the risk."

**** with, is something I could never get going with the gals when I was a teenager. Opportunities abounded, but I was too daft to get the queue. Such as read their body language and facial inflections... This is a joke BTW.

Max the Bear Wrote:

...NOT saying I advocate mass murder

I got the “NOT”, but did everyone? We’re clear here you’re not advocating, right? (Thought Charles did that Wink )

Max the Bear Wrote:

...because they are confidant there will be no retaliation.

My definition of confidence is not this. Seems the bully is the one lacking confidence, expressing some need to bolster him/her self by making another appear lesser. Confidence to me is saying to the bully: “Really? I could care less what you have to say, Mr/Ms Bully”

Max the Bear Wrote:

...A number of gays took to patrolling the neighborhood with baseball bats and T-shirts that said "FAGS BASH BACK." It made a difference.

Great tact! (applause here), and much better than killing 32 people and one’s self.

Max the Bear Wrote:

...Bashing back against bullies? I think it needs to happen sometimes.

Absolutely. Perhaps in a way that doesn’t take lives...

How about starting a list of constructive ways to “Bash back against bullies”. With ideas, one at a time...

1)Write a letter to the legislature asking for stiffer penalties against acts of bullying. (Of cours after the letter one would write informing the legislature about the definition of a bully.)

2)Write a letter, or visit local educational districts, schools of all levels. Particularly the elementary one’s. And loudly insist on a policy with more penalties towards those that bully. Detention!

3)Next time you’re at the doc’s. Educate him/her about prescriptions. The one’s that didn’t work, or came without enough professional observation. Anybody experience this? Prescriptions that can make you paranoid? Perhaps with our killer and with his already dark paranoia, grew to a psychotic delusion that caused, well, look what happened....

Okay... Three at a time... who’s next? My Best Regards

Max the Bear Wrote:

When I was in elementary school -- until I was about 16 years old, actually...- ...And I was "different" -- the smart kid, the sissy -- and would normally be a great target for bullying...

... what I could say that would hurt them most (emotionally, psychologically -- weapons of ego destruction) ...

I think it's sad that I had to develop those destructive talents, but the fact is that without them I was an easy target. I guess I was out-bullying the bullies, but at least I wasn't using a gun...

Someting kindred here for me... I prefer words to guns...

Schizophrenia... another label to group symptoms.

I see as both negative and positive. Robin Williams, the comedian, might be considered Schizoid under some of its definitions: Multiple personalities, which he has exhibited within one sentence of comedic speech.

A funny guy with a lot of followers, but perhaps lonely. (sorry Robin, don't sue me, you're my hero!) I'm glad he's used his Schizoid/like brain to bring us laughter with a serious tone.

Need to lose the labels, or simply look for the positive in each. Change focus so to speak. IMO

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Beammeup Wrote:

Multiple personalities, which he has exhibited within one sentence of comedic speech.

Noetic Wrote:

Schizoid has nothing to do with multiple personalities. AS, by those who consider it more a personality trait than a "disorder", is often seen as similar to (or the same as) or described similarly to Schizoid Personality Disorder....

Hope this helps:

Personality disorder characterized by at least 3 of the following:

(a) few, if any, activities, provide pleasure;
(b) emotional coldness, detachment or flattened affectivity;
© limited capacity to express either warm, tender feelings or anger towards others;
(d) apparent indifference to either praise or criticism;
(e) little interest in having sexual experiences with another person (taking into account age);
(f) almost invariable preference for solitary activities;
(g) excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection;
(h) lack of close friends or confiding relationships (or having only one) and of desire for such relationships;
(i) marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions.

Hey thanks. Clears it up for me a little. So three, eh? Drats... Came close. Following are two that sound like Robin Williams, the comedian. Care to comment Mr. Williams? (don't sue me! Mr. Williams) Big Grin

(g) excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection;
(i) marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions.

Thanks again, respectfully Beammeup Wink

Max the Bear Wrote:

I think that's why I know so many traditianal "victim" type kids -- they tend to spend a lot of time -- lunch and afterschool -- in my room because they know that no one will mess with them there.

We need more teachers like this...
I recall a few teachers from my past that were simply jerks, just like the bullies... Whch can really douse a kids' spirit.

Thanks.....

Batman55 Wrote:

Noetic Wrote:

Beammeup Wrote:

(g) excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection;
(i) marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions.

The first of these is only in the European description of Schizoid PD, the American one seems to describe a much "colder", more cold-hearted/callous type of person, whereas the European version is more a personality type somewhere between AS and "normality".

I don't think you're giving AS enough respect, even if you are citing research that leans toward "AS more an unusual personality type"...

AS is a separate entity and should not be considered "between" anything and nothing should be speculated as being "between Asperger's." It's not between anything.. end of story.

Beammeup says:

I more than not, miss the point; tend to jump into conversations and throw the subject askew. Perhaps that is what a conversation needs sometimes...

Both here are correct.  Our community needs a definition for “it”, whatever “it” is.  I’m not buying into the current definitions as they fall very short of adequately defining me; something well evidenced by all the misunderstandings and controversy, I’ve seen thus far...

I imagine a label will be required for those needing services. Nothing “in between” allowed. So, one must know thoroughly how the medical community has defined AS, Autism, Schizoid etc. etc. Noetic seems to have this well in hand. I listen to Noetic...

On the other hand, I don’t want a label. Tends to end my journey of discovery.  So, I listen to others too. And I’d like more credit/respect for my “it”. I’m fortunate in that I am able to work without accommodations. Better said: “I’ll accommodate you”. Many just need to find the right “Fit” in a job, though may also need access to services...

I’m obviously not clear regarding everyone’s viewpoint. Dependent on one’s perspective, one's stance will be opposing at times. I am very clear from my own perspective, while wanting to understand another’s...

I do understand these issues are deeply complex; well evidenced by the cascading Threads into subjects that need more understanding.

My message is simple, perhaps idealistic: Look for the positive rather than the negative in each “it”. We’re individuals.... but must allow the medical community to have labels, of which need to perhaps change, while we (cliché here) “When in Rome, do as the roman’s do”, Hah! That reminds me...

The medical community has something in common with the Pope:

They’ve both abolished “Limbo”!!!  There’s no place for me to be now!!!  (Got to find humor too!!!, something positive!!!  Thanks Patch!!!)

Where’s my “in between”? Limbo............Label.......

Respectful regards, Beammeup

Noetic Wrote:

I just read a blog entry about the hassle Koreans are getting in America now, it seems silly to worry about the odd crazed journo in the face of all that. It's not the pen-pusher you have to worry about, it's the uneducated idiots who use *any* kind of excuse to jump on minority groups Sad

http://www.xanga.com/crazeemichi/5851149...inted.html

One more post before I head outside with an obsession to take a picture of a red Dogwood... Cutting into my DIY project!!!

Fortunately there are many of us over here in America that rise to the occasion of such acts. As in with signs standing guard, as in like soldiers with shields between the idiots and the humans we wish to protect, defending their honor.

I’m out of here... Regards, Beammeup

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