Latest thing I heard about Cho Seung-Hui was that it seems he was the culprit behind earlier incidents such as bomb threats and fires. Seems the less we know about a person responsible for one of these "random" outbursts of violence the more conclusions are thrown out. Just because he is described as a loner doesn't mean he'd be aspie - that's just not a jump to conclusion but more of a leap (Ok! In advance of course). Just because one has aspergers doesn't mean they're incapable of committing "senseless" acts of violence. It is Not a reason in itself and would only influence the way the act of aggression is expressed. For all that I know Cho Seung-Hui behaved just like the overall majority of hand gun mass murderers that I've read about and if I would take a guess I'd say he would have been a narcissist, paranoic, schizo-something type of person...
This is interesting...
From what I've read in the news, I think he may be Aspie... one who has gone through a lot and maybe couldn't handle it. But everyone is different and its our decisions/choices that determine what we do.
About the play...I didn't find it to be overly "macabre" or "horror".... Well, there were bad words but over all, I found it entertaining although maybe a little immature for a college student. I thought the second one had a pretty good ending...
But the comments about the play by most people were mostly negative. Really? By writing such stuff you are 'sick'? By writing such stuff you should be reffered to a counselor? Is that what most normal people think? What about Aspies? Or does this have nothing to do with normal/aspie or any other 'condition'...
Why were students intimidated by Cho taking their photo? I would have got the college to stop him from doing that and not left class because of it. The college could have made him leave class for threatening people if he did that.
This is the problem - the college was too afraid to do it. There are students who have been asked to leave class for their behavior or after being seen as unstable in counseling and turned around and sued the schools- and won. (heard that on the radio this morning)
Plus, any crime reported to the police counts against the school safety stats.
So - students do what they have to do to protect themselves when the 'adults' in authority above them are too afraid/bogged down by the law to do it.
Unfortunately this is a growing trend in high schools where students attack and hurt teachers (A Philly teacher had his neck broken over a stupid Ipod!) and where authorites, including the FBI and police can do very nothing to stop stalkers and abusers from harrassing their victims - until they kill them.
Ironically it's one of the reasons people turn into murderers, nobody ever stopped anyone from harrassing and abusing them and this is the only way they can figure out to 'get back' at the world.
Also, people who report suspicious acting passengers on their flights can now expect to be sued personally. It's bullying scare tactics and so long as people (judges, juries, lawyers, public etc.) allow it to work, it will continue to work and we will have tragedies like this that could have been prevented.
Add to all this the media who show the photos and videos this murderer sent to them and virtually ignore the students who were killed. What kind of message does that send to all the 'invisible' people out there who have a vendetta building in them?
It's very sad - and I fear because of Political Correctness things will only get worse.
I think there are big differences between/among:
A) "I just don't relate to people. I prefer being alone with my own thoughts and interests. I've never felt any big need to socialize. I'm fine by myself."
and
B) "The world is a difficult place and there are a lot of additional, unfair obstacles and hostility dumped on people who are 'different'. It's hard to make connections and find people you can trust. Too often, society deals with people unequally and unfairly. There are people who fit in and people who are'"outsiders'. I guess I'm always going to be an outsider. I feel isolated and depressed."
and
C) "You had 100 billion chances and ways to have avoided today but you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off. You just loved crucifying me. You loved inducing cancer in my head, terrorizing my heart and ripping my soul all this time."
Loner, yes. Aspie, no.
Aspies have trouble reading people.
Cho appeared to have very little trouble reading people. In fact, he read people all too well, and knew exactly how to scare the living daylights of them. That's not Asperger's. That's serious, deranged, bad-seed sociopathy.
Yes, I agree.
The guy was crazy. Crazy people do crazy things for crazy reasons. We are not talking about an autistic person being autistic or doing autistic things. Crazy.
Like John Linley Frazier
As a mother of son with AS who has been very involved in the autism community locally and nationally for years, I am shocked at the denial of Cho having autistic traits... Forget the actual diagnosis.
As I watched interview after interview with students and staff who shared their observations about who Cho was... loner, not able to look at people, lacked social skills, very bright but odd...my autism antenna went up. How can the autism community who is always seeking truth for causes, cures be so blind in recognizing the symptoms that we all know so well.....as autism with Cho?
Because the autism commmunity doesn't want to have the legacy of what Cho did connected to the autism disability. Truth is truth...
Autism did not kill all the people at VT. An individual, Cho, was diagnosed with autism, had exhibited traits of autism for years with NO interventions or support... But he was smart, and Korean.. and his family had a difficult time acknowleding the problem (sound familiar) and they were poor and didn't know what their rights were under IDEA to acquire the needed interventions for their son in the public school... That the public education system failed to intervene in Cho's life is a wake up call for all parents who are trying to secure services for their child to be proactive, diligent and help your child. I know children and adults with autism do not typically have violent tendencies or hurt others... But for this individual, Cho, he was unable to cope with life's problems -
There are hundreds of children who take their own lives in our country with invisible disabilities like Autism, ADD, who are unable to cope with the challenges they face in school.. and without interventions and adults that are willing to accept responsibility for doing the right thing for the children in our country -
Monica Moshenko
Parent, Advocate and Host
DisAbility News & Views Radio
What will happen when thousands of children with autism spectrum disorders - now one in 150 being diagnosed, as they enter school systems across the country.... Will the child that is smart, a loner, socially inept, a minority receive the interventions that they are suppose to receive under Federal and state laws in school?
That is the most sensible reply, who know's the facts, yep my autism radar went up too, noted his neutral facial expression's. A lot of us need help, I need help I ain't getting it and have not had it until recently. I am not violent, can get lippy, verbally aggressive out of frustration. Let's not forget here the route cause of the problem, the easy access to gun's in the US. People are going to hum and har about he had this he did this because he was this.... Do we here in the paper's about the huge amounts of people who kill themselves because of bullying, mental illness etc, I know of many people who have lost their lives to mental illness. This guy was messed up, angry, bitter and he had a *** gun. Hell I hear you can pop into ya local supermarket and buy amunition like I can pop to the shop to buy fags, need to sort that out.
There seems to be two kind of aspie's ; 1 the Sad Aspie; 2 the Glad Aspie. I know what Cho was but you do the math...
Sorry! There's 3 kinds; 3 the Gloomy Aspie.
There's also the "hate the world" Aspie, ichtms.
Anyone who is part of a marginalized group may find it tempting to adopt an "I hate the world! Everyone is worthless! They hate me, but I hate them MORE!" way of seeing the world.
I think I went through that period when I was a teenager -- reading Ayn Rand's crappy philosphy and feeling angry superiority, shaking my fist at the universe.
I suppose this is a reaction to being what you call "the sad Aspie" -- especially for males, we would rather be angry than sad; it makes us feel more powerful and less vulnerable. "The world hurts me and doesn't care about nme, so I shall HATE it and be its SUPERIOR." Such a sad and painful way to live...
I thought more linguisticly speaking I think and not thinking the alternatives through was in reference to words that simply change initials - It's bad, so to speak! My foot-in-mouth did it again.
"LONER"
I grew up in a time when it was cool to be a loner -- the post-James Dean era when all the really cool guys were outsiders, people who were glamorously, sadly, yet heroically set apart from the crowd. Movies, from Bogart to James Bond, defined the loner as the coolest of the cool, misunderstood and maybe a little threatening, marching to a different drummer. He was bored by the childrens games and immune to the fears that held "the in crowd" together. The rebel, the outsider, the loner...
It was only about 15 years ago that I noticed "loner" being a negative thing kids called each other. Loner = loser. When the fratboy replaced the rebel as Hollywood's hero...
"Maybe they'll bring religion into the debate..."
I'm sure someone would say "If only Cho had believed in Jesus!... of... wait. He did believe in Jesus. Never mind."
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