By the way, almost every such character has been described as loners.
If he had a nazi motive it would be to copy Hitler's death.
I don't agree, I have held "mild grudges" toward certain people for years at a time, and I tend to be a generally angry/envious person.
But I wouldn't be able to get to any "breaking point" that would include horrible things. Instead I use creative endeavors as an outlet for the continual anger/envy problem I have.
But that's the whole problem with "breaking point". When you reach it (anyone, NT or AS or whatever) you *can't* use creative outlets any more, your ability to judge and plan breaks down and your perception of reality with it.
I don't thinkg *most* people who do these things as part of a breakdown ever *plan* to do them as such.
Yes, there you go, they always want to categorize people, to create I think it's one of the reasons why we have these school shootings in the first place...because society is so damn moronic!!!
I wouldn't exactly say that generalising so massively as to referring to whole societies as "moronic" is a very clever thing to say either.
I do agree though with the notion that "bad apples" and "bad herds" (because it is a proven fact that groups of people are capable of nastiness they would *never* even think of on their own, let alone act on) are often behind pushing a person to the edge. However before it is "too late" and one snaps, there are places to tur to before one goes and slaughters dozens of innocents alongside those one perceives as "evil".
Sorry if you misunderstood, but what I mean by society, is society as a whole...not individuals, but group mentalities, what I like to call the system, and the way it functions. Because if you look at every major crisis that has occured in the U.S., they are always handled very similarly.
In that case we do agree, as I mentioned above. I just think the whole concept of regarding societies as entities is a bit... I don't know, it just doesn't agree with my brain.
I have to respond to that, because I 100% disagree. Cho is not autistic, and I'll go to my grave knowing he wasn't. That's why NO FBI profilers have even made a mention of it. I'm AS and I was bullied to the point of depression and anger and I never once ever thought of taking someone else's life. It never even came into my mind, so that is a complete load of bullshit. Cho did not have autism, and its a sensationalized story that 3 journalists have written about.
I'm not saying he *was* autistic but when your mind snaps, rational thought doesn't come into it. There are SOME who are cold-blooded calculated killers but from what I can tell most people who "snap" in this way lost touch with reality well before they acted.
Noetic, that response wasn't to you (who I tend to agree with) it was to DisAbilityAdvocate.
I sort of realised that, it was more about your comments about how he didn't have autism and about how you would never have thought of taking another's life. When a person loses touch with reality they do things they wouldn't normally do, so just because someone went off the rails and got enmeshed in a psychotic sort of delusion doesn't mean they would have considered doing those things before they lost touch with reality. (Did that make sense?)
Autistics don't make up imaginary girlfriends and talk to them, schizophrenics do
While I have never done this, I have read of several examples of people with AS and a few with autism making up imaginary friends. It's not the same as what happened here but as long as it is imaginary rather than a hallucination/delusion it's not really to do with Schizophrenia.
By the way Schizophrenics don't "make things up", they believe those things they experience to be real even though they are not. 
Don't blame autism for Cho's behavior
James Kauffman, a retired University of Virginia education behaviorist, dismissed any possible link between Cho's violence and autism.
"I don't see any connection to autism at all, even if he was diagnosed," Kauffman said. "It doesn't wash."
Clint Van Zandt, another retired FBI profiler, said he could not call to mind any serial killer who was autistic. "None," he said.
Hooray thanks for posting that!
Cho was a disturbed individual. Not only was he a loner, bright, nonsociable, but he was a stalker he stalked two women he would take pictures with his camera phone of the girls in class under the desk of their legs and knees. He set fire to a building on campus before the shooting.
Unfortunately this sort of behaviour *can* happen in people on the Spectrum, I'm not saying Autism caused it but a certain tendency to obsess, combined with social skill problems that mean one can't actually get together with the person one obsesses about in most cases, can easily lead to such stalking behaviour. It is one of the more common things mentioned when offenses by people on the Spectrum are discussed.
ODD and Conduct Disorder are also possible comorbids with autism and fire-setting is very much something that occurs there quite a bit - so while autism doesn't *cause* someone to do this (although there are also several examples in literature of kids obsessed with fire and matches etc. who are unable to foresee the consequences and end up setting fire to rooms and buildings etc.), to say this is not the behaviour of an autistic is just plain wrong.
For three years I endured that abuse, and I still went home and was pleasant with my family. I just find it absurd that someone would go that far. I would always, always have the courts decide then to be violent.
Different people have differing levels of tolerance, you know? (BY the way whoever told you you should have got off, well OK on the surface that might solve the problem but just giving in is no solution in the end!)
Some people stay rational for a lot longer, others don't. Some have bullying at home *and* at school for example so there is no escape, others develop anxiety and depression or start self-harming rather, yet others develop paranoid ideation and if things go really bad, go down a route similar to what happened in this case.
i still dont get it though.
so if you are a loner you have aspergers?
thats quite a good way to diagnose ppl.
"you are a loner, you are autistic"
hasent anyone heard about schizophrenics being loners?
all the schizophrenics i know are loners.
The word autism was taken from the description if this symptom in Schizophrenia. So yes it's a tendency... However according to a docu I saw a while back violence in Schizophrenia is exaggerated as well, they are far more likely to kill themselves or harm themselves than others.
I see as both negative and positive. Robin Williams, the comedian, might be considered Schizoid under some of its definitions: Multiple personalities, which he has exhibited within one sentence of comedic speech.
Schizoid has nothing to do with multiple personalities. AS, by those who consider it more a personality trait than a "disorder", is often seen as similar to (or the same as) or described similarly to Schizoid Personality Disorder. Neither has anything to do with Schizophrenia (although those personality traits tend to be present, or rather develop, in post-Schizophrenic patients too).
Hope this helps:
Personality disorder characterized by at least 3 of the following:
(a) few, if any, activities, provide pleasure;
(b) emotional coldness, detachment or flattened affectivity;
© limited capacity to express either warm, tender feelings or anger towards others;
(d) apparent indifference to either praise or criticism;
(e) little interest in having sexual experiences with another person (taking into account age);
(f) almost invariable preference for solitary activities;
(g) excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection;
(h) lack of close friends or confiding relationships (or having only one) and of desire for such relationships;
(i) marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions.
Basically it is AS without the autism, without the developmental element, a more "choice"-based skirting of social norms as opposed to social aloofness and so forth. (Just the personality traits that are *common* but not mandatory in AS)
(g) excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection;
(i) marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions.
The first of these is only in the European description of Schizoid PD, the American one seems to describe a much "colder", more cold-hearted/callous type of person, whereas the European version is more a personality type somewhere between AS and "normality".
I don't think you're giving AS enough respect, even if you are citing research that leans toward "AS more an unusual personality type"...
I was writing about SCHIZOID Personality Disorder not AS.
I just read a blog entry about the hassle Koreans are getting in America now, it seems silly to worry about the odd crazed journo in the face of all that. It's not the pen-pusher you have to worry about, it's the uneducated idiots who use *any* kind of excuse to jump on minority groups
http://www.xanga.com/crazeemichi/5851149...inted.html