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Maybe he's just insane.

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Why do people think he's bipolar? Being a loner seems to be a recurring theme in Burton's work, and that is suggestive of AS.

I think it would be pretty easy to mistake AS with depression (or a depressive-looking personal image) with bipolar, because with bipolar you have the mania and the depression, and with AS you often have "comorbid" situational depression combined with the "high" and excitement of autistic special interests. I think autistic special interests could easily be misdiagnosed as mania. The difference between mania and a special interest is mania is psychotic, while a special interest is not.

I know that bipolar is the latest fad in mental health issues, due to heavy promotion of bipolar by drug company advertisements. Painting the walls of your home in bright colours is a supposed to be a sign of mania!
No, no, no.  I met someone who I think was Johnny Depp.  He asked me if I had Asperger's.  I was really shocked.  He said that he had worked with Tim Burton.  He said it was a great experience for him and that Tim Burton had Asperger's.  He appreciated people with Asperger's.
I saw the norwegian prince when he visitted our school :p

... and I've met Petter Batta which my dad works with in Huseiernes Landsforbund.
(whom you SHOULD have known about, just as you SHOULD know about a whole lot of other things)

Kurai-Gaka Wrote:
However, to me, he seems to be the sanest person on the planet. Then again, many people thought that about Stephen Fry and he has severe bipolar syndrome.


Well he's not severe enough not to be able to cope without meds for now... plus I still think he's the sanes person on earth Smile

Ziyaret Wrote:
Aspergers(or autistic spectrum) is also the latest fad in diagnoses, both professional and amature.Honestly though, bipolar and Aspergers are quite different.


Agreed on both points, *however* there is a high comorbidity (up to 40% according to the NAS) with ASDs and Bipolar.

The reason why people seem to love to associate labels with famous people eludes me, however since both AS and Bipolar are "associated" (in a few cases) with unusual creativity, and since a dedicated artist is by default preoccupied with a main interest and tends to be solitary, I can see why someone could jump to that conclusion mistakenly.

About Tim Burton  "However, he did seem quite depressed in one phase of his life (during his years in disney) which could have prompted a diagnoses for Bipolar syndrome as most Bipolar people are diagnosed at a crisis point."

Working at Disney would make anyone, especially an aspie depressed.  Disney are big on CONFORMITY and even your ATTITUDE.  Disney is considered a "cult" company.

Kurai-Gaka Wrote:
I watched a documentary about Stephen fry and Bipolar syndrome. Apparently he falls within the range of severely bipolar.

I am aware of that, however he is also able to control it without medication, so the severity of his symptoms rather pale in comparison with some of the other people featured in the same programme. Not that it's *mild* as such, just not as disabling (because his episodes, especially mania, are very far apart).

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Also, Fry is more open minded to treatments.

More open minded than who, and what does this comment have to do with my quote?

Batman55 Wrote:
What about comorbidity with Borderline Personality? 


I don't have any statistics on that. And I don't think you are Borderline, perhaps a personality type with such tendencies (mercurial) but not BPD.

Kurai-Gaka Wrote:
Fry is more open minded to the treatments than he was before. Sorry, i could have made it clearer.

Indeed yes that is true, he seemed to think it was dreadful but I think meeting lots of people with different types and degrees of Bipolar really helped him see that they can help.

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Don't worry I always forget to mention bits of what I'm trying to say Smile

I only mentioned the severity thing because a lot of people have a certain view of severe bipolar, which might come across a bit wrong if they haven't actually seen the documentary and what the "diagnosis" of severity was based on.

Ziyaret Wrote:
Noetic, where did you get your statistics about the comorbidity of Aspergers and Bipolar? One thing I do know for sure is that bipolar disorder is much more common than any autistic spectral disorder.

Not AS, the autistic spectrum as a whole. It was a number quoted by the National Autistic Society in the UK but since they've revamped their site I haven't been able to track it down. I'll try though.

Actually it might be 30% not 40%... darnit where have all the bits of information on their site gone!

Ziyaret Wrote:
Not AS?! You've gotta be kidding me!! I seriously doubt AS is as common as bipolar.Every professional attests that such types of developmental disorders are much rarer than mood disorders. But if you have proof I'd be delighted to see it.


Not AS but the whole autistic spectrum. Get it now?

The NAS has released statistics that indicate around 30% (as I corrected before) of people on the Autistic Spectrum have some degree of Bipolar.

What does this have to do with AS being "as common as bipolar"?

Ziyaret Wrote:
Not AS?! You've gotta be kidding me!! I seriously doubt AS is as common as bipolar.Every professional attests that such types of developmental disorders are much rarer than mood disorders. But if you have proof I'd be delighted to see it.

I think I see what you meant.

It's 30% of all people with an autism spectrum disorder who have Bipolar, all that says is Bipolar is more common in people on the spectrum than in NTs. It doesn't say anything about how many % of people with Bipolar have AS for example.

Fruitcake Wrote:
I have stressed triggered hypomania apparently, a lot of things stress me more maybe than your average NT. 

A friend of my Mum's has this too.

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There are many types of bipolar it is a spectrum as much as ASD is a spectrum.  I geuss you got to remember that (at least in the UK) HFA/Asperger's is a new diagnosis (1994) chances are many people were diagnosed Bi-polar etc without recognising the underlying HFA/Asperger's.  Besides they have not done enough research to know what is exactly going on with the brain that causes all these issues.  I swear I have had undiagnosed bi-polar 11 for sometime.  I had a long depressive period after uni, did not seek help, I smoked weed and drank to deal with my mood.  I know this is a big thing in my mum's family, hey most of the women are bipolar and the men alcolholics go figure.


I agree and yes it seems to be a common pattern with alcoholism and bipolar etc. I don't think anyone in my extended family has been diagnosed with anything, but my grandmother's family (maternal) have had a long history of alcoholism but this stopped after her generation.

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