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I got a self-righteous person with Asperger's who does not want a cure for autism.  I never mentioned that I am against the cure.  I only said that I did not like CAN because they do not actually do anything for people with autism or their families just fund research.  I said I was against CAN because I am pro-life and not pro-abortion.  

1.  You never said that you do not think that children with autism do not need help.  

2.  You do not ignore autistic children.

this person seems a bit too emotional to be aspie.  

They mention the bullying (teasing for stuttering and wedgies) but they are bullying you in their message.

Sad when people are so ignorant of how some children with autism are being treated.
I also felt that there was something about the message that was unfamiliar to me who mostly just forumchat at this english forum.

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What? Did someone tease you for stuttering when you were young? Did someone give you a widdle wedgie? Grow the fuck up, please. Look at it this way - at least you can speak and feed yourself, unlike those autistic children you like to ignore.

Definitely not been bullied.

"What? Did someone tease you for stuttering when you were young? Did someone give you a widdle wedgie?"

I can't recall that this kind of language has been used on this forum.

Proud2LuvNAspie Wrote:
Just to let you know, I deleted the pic I had on my site (I realized it was too offensive & contraversial), but I told the person that it doesn't change how I feel about how autism should be dealt with.

That's a shame, as the picture no doubt had an important message and she had no right to be so rude about it. From the way she wrote, I seriously doubt that she is an Aspie. I wonder if she has an official diagnosis?

The way she told she was autistic was like a decleration.
Can someone who has Asperger's understand and consent to a "cure"?

Can someone who has LFA understand and consent to a "cure"?
This flamer seems like a very unintelligent person, too.
Blargh!

hrick

M Wrote:
Can someone who has Asperger's understand and consent to a "cure"?

Can someone who has LFA understand and consent to a "cure"?


Yes. Quite possibly. Hrick is a LFA.  This is what he writes:

Is Autism Something for Cure?

It is a difficult question.  The parents I am sure would say yes, please.  I can not blame them for that.  It is only natural not to want to see a loved one suffer.  Making a good argument for autism is difficult unless you are of my belief that we are all with purpose beyond ourselves, typical people as well.  Even “normal” is not normal.  Each has his own strengths and weaknesses.  Nothing is without purpose to my mind, whether it be to develop self or others.  Even seeking  a cure is with outside purpose.  

Only to exist changes the question to one of whether you are worthy just as you are.  Political niceties aside, it goes to the heart of humanity.  How we care for others is the true measure of self.  What is your measure?  Is it all too much to ask to honor God’s creations just as they are?  We test tube this and euthanize that to make Gods of ourselves.  It is a farce of hells making.  Only God sees all the connections.  Only he knows each of our purposes one to another.  I am not God; just a tiny piece of him.  We kill him every day in aborting new life, even “normal” life.  Why then should I as an autist expect better treatment.  The issue is not one of cure, but one of humanity.  

I doubt most NT's display this level of insight.


Mom of Hrick adds:

This is why this website is so important.  Even where "treatment" would be beneficial to a LF child's functioning, my son, hrick's main point and concern  is that the treatment needs to be humane first.  Prior to commencing treatment, you need to know that a child's sensory system can support the behavioral treatment being offered.  Absent a sufficient sensory base behavioral therapy results in torture and a course of trained learned helplessness.

Lienda Balla

That horror must have lied about her supposed AS. She's a curebie ass, not a aspie.

Lienda Balla

KingdomOfRats Wrote:

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If your another one of those remotely young and attractive girls with AS that has no sexual desire in her life at all I'm going to fuckin kill myself. Here's my email, gordrulez@hotmail.com use it or lose it/ I don't need you. Ok then.... thank you goodbye


Anyone know how to get rid of them messages?


WOW! What a jerk he is! O.O What kind of female in their right mind would bother with that? Sadly, all you can do is ignore him or report him in various places. Boy, do some people make highly tempting kill targets! If he acts that way to people off line, it's only a matter of time before a mob beats his butt up to death.

*sarcastic* Some dateing prize there... Har har.

Autism isn't always caused by genetics, you know. Certain chemicals and viral infections that cause autism have in fact been documented. Just because it's extremely rare, doesn't mean that you can write it off entirely.

Lienda Balla

Cure or not, those people had no right to flame and bitch now did they?

Timelord Wrote:
My personal view is it depends on what causes sensory overload. For LFA's this is a constant problem. Now find the primary source for the overload. That's the hard part because it requires constant experimentation (yeah that's a bad word but I can't think of a better one) to find it as the LFA child won't react to you and say "That's it" in a way you understand. It takes patience - and curebie parents lack it in spades.


The problem with thinking of sensory overload divorced from the way the brain works overall, is that it's only a byproduct of an overall way of functioning.

You can of course eliminate stimuli (including internal stimuli) that contribute to overload, such as pain and things like that.  

But once all that's taken care of, what if overload is a byproduct of a way of processing information that includes perceiving more information than most people do, and handling it in a different way than most people do?  And what if that way of processing information is very valued by the person who processes information that way?

I experienced some changes in my development at one point that probably included an emphasis on using and honing some of my best perceptual skills.  It also involved my brain cutting back on a lot of things that were either getting in the way or using too many resources.  Because of the latter, this period was termed a regression by most people (and what I erroneously concluded about it could fill a book, since I had grown up in the same culture as everyone else with the same attitudes about difference), and some professionals even labeled me low-functioning as this was taking place.  But in hindsight I think a lot of it was a change for the positive, and the loss of skills and increase in overload was a byproduct of honing a particular set of skills that I find extremely important.

You never know what might be attached to something else, especially when you view these things as discrete categories of skills that can be divided easily into "good" and "bad", without looking at how interconnected things are (in fact in some cases the "good" and "bad" skills are two sides of a coin and not separate at all).

Lienda Balla

dinosaur heretic Wrote:
Why is it that society focusses so much on the non-verbality and bathroom issues instead of seeing the rest of the child?  Of course you should do what you can about the language and self-care, but that's not the be all end all of any human being.

As far as needing to be "cured" so as to avoid being a target for bullies... that's outrageous.  The "sickness" is with the bullies, not the target.


Yeah. "outrageous" is so right!

I personaly think that the majority of a society, that has control over the rest of the people in their society culture, commonly think that lack of speach is stupidity and brainlessness. They see any slow or empty mouth speach as a lack in brain intellect, ability or other bulk nonsence.

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