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I also felt that there was something about the message that was unfamiliar to me who mostly just forumchat at this english forum.
The way she told she was autistic was like a decleration.

hrick

M Wrote:
Can someone who has Asperger's understand and consent to a "cure"?

Can someone who has LFA understand and consent to a "cure"?


Yes. Quite possibly. Hrick is a LFA.  This is what he writes:

Is Autism Something for Cure?

It is a difficult question.  The parents I am sure would say yes, please.  I can not blame them for that.  It is only natural not to want to see a loved one suffer.  Making a good argument for autism is difficult unless you are of my belief that we are all with purpose beyond ourselves, typical people as well.  Even “normal” is not normal.  Each has his own strengths and weaknesses.  Nothing is without purpose to my mind, whether it be to develop self or others.  Even seeking  a cure is with outside purpose.  

Only to exist changes the question to one of whether you are worthy just as you are.  Political niceties aside, it goes to the heart of humanity.  How we care for others is the true measure of self.  What is your measure?  Is it all too much to ask to honor God’s creations just as they are?  We test tube this and euthanize that to make Gods of ourselves.  It is a farce of hells making.  Only God sees all the connections.  Only he knows each of our purposes one to another.  I am not God; just a tiny piece of him.  We kill him every day in aborting new life, even “normal” life.  Why then should I as an autist expect better treatment.  The issue is not one of cure, but one of humanity.  

I doubt most NT's display this level of insight.


Mom of Hrick adds:

This is why this website is so important.  Even where "treatment" would be beneficial to a LF child's functioning, my son, hrick's main point and concern  is that the treatment needs to be humane first.  Prior to commencing treatment, you need to know that a child's sensory system can support the behavioral treatment being offered.  Absent a sufficient sensory base behavioral therapy results in torture and a course of trained learned helplessness.

Lienda Balla

That horror must have lied about her supposed AS. She's a curebie ***, not a aspie.

Lienda Balla

KingdomOfRats Wrote:

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If your another one of those remotely young and attractive girls with AS that has no sexual desire in her life at all I'm going to fuckin kill myself. Here's my email, gordrulez@hotmail.com use it or lose it/ I don't need you. Ok then.... thank you goodbye


Anyone know how to get rid of them messages?


WOW! What a jerk he is! O.O What kind of female in their right mind would bother with that? Sadly, all you can do is ignore him or report him in various places. Boy, do some people make highly tempting kill targets! If he acts that way to people off line, it's only a matter of time before a mob beats his butt up to death.

*sarcastic* Some dateing prize there... Har har.

Lienda Balla

Cure or not, those people had no right to flame and *** now did they?

Timelord Wrote:
My personal view is it depends on what causes sensory overload. For LFA's this is a constant problem. Now find the primary source for the overload. That's the hard part because it requires constant experimentation (yeah that's a bad word but I can't think of a better one) to find it as the LFA child won't react to you and say "That's it" in a way you understand. It takes patience - and curebie parents lack it in spades.


The problem with thinking of sensory overload divorced from the way the brain works overall, is that it's only a byproduct of an overall way of functioning.

You can of course eliminate stimuli (including internal stimuli) that contribute to overload, such as pain and things like that.  

But once all that's taken care of, what if overload is a byproduct of a way of processing information that includes perceiving more information than most people do, and handling it in a different way than most people do?  And what if that way of processing information is very valued by the person who processes information that way?

I experienced some changes in my development at one point that probably included an emphasis on using and honing some of my best perceptual skills.  It also involved my brain cutting back on a lot of things that were either getting in the way or using too many resources.  Because of the latter, this period was termed a regression by most people (and what I erroneously concluded about it could fill a book, since I had grown up in the same culture as everyone else with the same attitudes about difference), and some professionals even labeled me low-functioning as this was taking place.  But in hindsight I think a lot of it was a change for the positive, and the loss of skills and increase in overload was a byproduct of honing a particular set of skills that I find extremely important.

You never know what might be attached to something else, especially when you view these things as discrete categories of skills that can be divided easily into "good" and "bad", without looking at how interconnected things are (in fact in some cases the "good" and "bad" skills are two sides of a coin and not separate at all).

Lienda Balla

dinosaur heretic Wrote:
Why is it that society focusses so much on the non-verbality and bathroom issues instead of seeing the rest of the child?  Of course you should do what you can about the language and self-care, but that's not the be all end all of any human being.

As far as needing to be "cured" so as to avoid being a target for bullies... that's outrageous.  The "sickness" is with the bullies, not the target.


Yeah. "outrageous" is so right!

I personaly think that the majority of a society, that has control over the rest of the people in their society culture, commonly think that lack of speach is stupidity and brainlessness. They see any slow or empty mouth speach as a lack in brain intellect, ability or other bulk nonsence.

quickduck

I like Ethel a lot; she's one of the people I’m most fond of on AFF.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
You suddenly seem to have it in for several of the members here; who has been whispering what in your ear for your attitude to become so snarky all of a sudden?

^ What’s this supposed to mean?
I think Ethereal’s able to be snarky on her own; without the need for whisperings.

quickduck

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

quickduck Wrote:
I like Ethel a lot; she's one of the people I’m most fond of on AFF.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
You suddenly seem to have it in for several of the members here; who has been whispering what in your ear for your attitude to become so snarky all of a sudden?

^ What’s this supposed to mean?
I think Ethereal’s able to be snarky on her own; without the need for whisperings.


So what has she done to you for you to suddenly start having a go at her? I thought she'd been acting out of character, that's all. But if you think otherwise...

I don't think Ethereal would normally behave so badly unless she was suffering stress in her life. THAT's what I meant. Actually, she has admitted as much. But you obviously have decided to dislike her anyway. That's not your normal behaviour!

Opps, I didn’t mean to suggest that I disliked her (quite the opposite actually). I only meant to say she’s able to get upset without someone else encouraging her. Ethereal is a complex character; a nice person but she’s sensitive and can get upset sometimes.
I most definitely don’t dislike her; in fact my post was intended to defend her; in case it was being implied that she was part of some strange conspiracy or something (the whisperings). I’ve obviously got the wrong end of the stick. Apologies.

quickduck

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

quickduck Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

quickduck Wrote:
I like Ethel a lot; she's one of the people I’m most fond of on AFF.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
You suddenly seem to have it in for several of the members here; who has been whispering what in your ear for your attitude to become so snarky all of a sudden?

^ What’s this supposed to mean?
I think Ethereal’s able to be snarky on her own; without the need for whisperings.


So what has she done to you for you to suddenly start having a go at her? I thought she'd been acting out of character, that's all. But if you think otherwise...

I don't think Ethereal would normally behave so badly unless she was suffering stress in her life. THAT's what I meant. Actually, she has admitted as much. But you obviously have decided to dislike her anyway. That's not your normal behaviour!

Opps, I didn’t mean to suggest that I disliked her (quite the opposite actually). I only meant to say she’s able to get upset without someone else encouraging her. Ethereal is a complex character; a nice person but she’s sensitive and can get upset sometimes.
I most definitely don’t dislike her; in fact my post was intended to defend her; in case it was being implied that she was part of some strange conspiracy or something (the whisperings). I’ve obviously got the wrong end of the stick. Apologies.


OK, we've all got the wrong end of the stick at times (inevitable, I suppose! Rolleyes)

Sorry I jumped on you, but you sounded so definite! And now you sound so definite about what kind of person she is - shouldn't we let her decide that?! Unless there is something you're not telling us...

I honestly don’t understand what we’re talking about here; but it seems likely we’re talking at cross purposes; or perhaps I’m missing something. I do know Ethereal quite well; she’s a friend of mine (perhaps that’s why I sounded so definite).
I just noticed a little friction between two people I’m fond of and wanted to ease tensions. It seems I may have inadvertently done the opposite.

Korrigan Wrote:
I would hope you are not calling me a bully.  I promise you I am not bullying you.  I am, however, being protective of the forum, and of my friends, who you seem to feel the need to flagrantly insult repeatedly.

Please apologize to Ethel for your repeated assaults.  You were not polite.  

Please apologize to Gareth for telling him to "keep his pants on" rather rudely.  That was not polite.

Lastly, please stop running rampant and being rude to people.  Stop being impolite.  

That will solve your problems.  I am nearly sure of it.


This type of post is part of the bullying that certain members have been doing, I have to say that Korrigan is one of those people. It is not acceptable at all.
Currently Korrigan has a 48 hour ban, I hope this gives her time to reflect on her approach and behaviour.
It is not a few incidents, it is long term problems which have been of great concern.
Someone may feel like they are protecting the forum, or individuals, but the forum is like an open house, we always need newcomers and they deserve equal treatment.

Quick_Duck

^ There is bullying; but although Korrigan is fiery I’ve not  noticed much bullying from her; there are worse offenders. Is your recent fight with Korrigan the reason you’ve singled her out for a ban?

Quick_Duck

In the past Lucie posted some of my Pms with personal information; EZ deleted the personal stuff; but she wasn’t banned.
I don’t think Korrigan’s PM post was worse than that; it certainly didn’t contain any personal info.
I only hope that once this mess has been sorted out (if it is sorted out) that the rules are enacted with just as much ruthless efficiency as they are being now. For the rules to mean anything they need to be enforced in an even handed manner; not only when its personally convenient to those in charge.

Quick_Duck

^ Yes, getting rid of the best mod/admin. this place has ever had (no offence to CBC) does seem rather like cutting off your nose dispite...no cutting off your head dispite your body.
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