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Happy easter everyone!
And a happy and choc filled Autumnal Indulgence to all the Non-christians, especially thos ein the southern hemishpere

...Alex.
Maria and myself would like to wish everyone a wonderful Easter too. Smile
HAPPY  EASTER!
Happy Easter!

Let us rejoice in the rebirth of nature!
I'm eating my egg with candy right now.
Even non-religious people celebrate easter. Christians took the date from early pagans who celebrated the beginning of Spring and the goddess Eostre, in the month of April (Eostremonat). Which is where the name came from.

Happy Easter

Ren Chou Wrote:
Even non-religious people celebrate easter. Christians took the date from early pagans who celebrated the beginning of Spring and the goddess Eostre, in the month of April (Eostremonat). Which is where the name came from.


Wrong.  Christians took the date from THE JEWS, and the word for "Easter" and "Passover" is the SAME WORD in many languages.

Example:  Greek uses "Pascha" for both.

"Easter" is an English/Germanic aberration.

Does anyone ever actually study real history in school, anymore?

...Although many of the traditions now associated with Easter come from a variety of sources.

(Bunnies and eggs come from the fertility rites.)

Happy Easter.

DogBrain Wrote:

Ren Chou Wrote:
Even non-religious people celebrate easter. Christians took the date from early pagans who celebrated the beginning of Spring and the goddess Eostre, in the month of April (Eostremonat). Which is where the name came from.


Wrong.  Christians took the date from THE JEWS, and the word for "Easter" and "Passover" is the SAME WORD in many languages.

Example:  Greek uses "Pascha" for both.

"Easter" is an English/Germanic aberration.

Does anyone ever actually study real history in school, anymore?


Not entirely wrong this is what my christian friend told me and I did check in wiki before posting, have just double-checked. It is right for england, an aberration it maybe but not wrong.

I didn't choose history at school because I didn't like the teacher, he kept picking on me and another girl to answer questions just because we were quiet. Plus in england the government dictates what children study in history, I did elizabethans, tudors, and the industrial age. And I never paid attention in religious classes because I thought it was all rubbish. Plus what is REAL history as I understand it most history is subjective and highly biased by whoever commissioned the writing of it.

Ren Chou Wrote:
Not entirely wrong this is what my christian friend told me and I did check in wiki before posting, have just double-checked. It is right for england


You're wrong, again.  Furthermore, Christians, by and large, are remarkably ignorant of the history of our own religion.  It's astonishing how many Western Christians, for example, labor under the delusion that the entirety of Christianity was obedient to the Pope of Rome throughout the entirety of the "Middle Ages" and early Renaissance, until the Reformation happened.

Likewise, the date chosen in England is no less taken from Judaism (with some bumps along the way due to anti-Jewish sentiment) than the date anywhere else.  Only the name was taken from a non-Jewish source, not the date.

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Plus what is REAL history as I understand it most history is subjective and highly biased by whoever commissioned the writing of it.


Real history is learning from multiple sources, sifting through, understanding historiographic evaluation, instead of blindly going from a single source plus an amateur amusement site (wikipedia).  It's pretty much like being a worthwhile voter instead of a disposable drone.

I no more automatically trust the word of any single Christian on the history of Christianity than I trust the word of any single non-Christian.

DogBrain Wrote:

Ren Chou Wrote:
Not entirely wrong this is what my christian friend told me and I did check in wiki before posting, have just double-checked. It is right for england


You're wrong, again.  Furthermore, Christians, by and large, are remarkably ignorant of the history of our own religion.  It's astonishing how many Western Christians, for example, labor under the delusion that the entirety of Christianity was obedient to the Pope of Rome throughout the entirety of the "Middle Ages" and early Renaissance, until the Reformation happened.

Likewise, the date chosen in England is no less taken from Judaism (with some bumps along the way due to anti-Jewish sentiment) than the date anywhere else.  Only the name was taken from a non-Jewish source, not the date.

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Plus what is REAL history as I understand it most history is subjective and highly biased by whoever commissioned the writing of it.


Real history is learning from multiple sources, sifting through, understanding historiographic evaluation, instead of blindly going from a single source plus an amateur amusement site (wikipedia).  It's pretty much like being a worthwhile voter instead of a disposable drone.

I no more automatically trust the word of any single Christian on the history of Christianity than I trust the word of any single non-Christian.


I don't want to argue with you, you have obviously researched this in great depth. I just thought it was interesting, and you have to start somewhere for your info. Lets not spoil what was a happy thread.

Feel free to PM me about it. I am not a christian and I trust my friend not because she is a christian but because she is my friend and studies her religion every day. I also thought wiki was "learning from multiple sources, sifting through, understanding and evaluation"

Wow, Dogbrain has fucked up yet another thread.

one about bloody easter too.

Ren Chou Wrote:
I also thought wiki was "learning from multiple sources, sifting through, understanding and evaluation"


Some of the pages on it might be good research, but you very often have to be familiar with a topic in order to be able to tell if a specific article is any good or not.  That is, if you have to use wikipedia to look something up, you're probably not qualified to evaluate what you're looking up.  Whose reputation or livelihood is staked on the quality of wikipedia?  Jimbo Wales loses no significant status nor money if wikipedia turns out to be a monumental joke, after all.

Those wikipedia articles that actively source their statements are likely to be reliable--but track down the sources cited if you want to have any certainty.  Articles that don't source statements or unsourced statements in various articles simply should not be trusted.

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