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Oh dear, you've posted about my current special interest!
I started a thread but it got lost in the forum remake several weeks ago.  There's a really cool enneagram forum linked below that I post to under a different username
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/forum/

I'm guessing that 5w6 and 1w9 (and possibly 6w5) are fairly common types for aspies.

moi--5w6
Hi Five
Think Venn diagram --one large circle for 5s, one smaller one for aspies (fewer aspies that people of any E type)... The intersection is the overlap between the circles, and I'm guessing the area of intersection might be larger for 5s/aspie than for other E types and aspie.

As I said, I'm guessing that aspies could easily be Type 1w9 (w2 much less likely)--e.g., attention to detail, rigid routines, obsessive-compulsive tendencies, moral, concern for justice, self-critical, etc.

When I posted an E test here on the now vanished thread, some people came out as Type 6, which I don't find surprising.  Think all the effort put into figuring out how to adapt to the neurotypical world...attempting to see what the rules are...lots of fear, accompanied by reactivity and sensitivity.  I thought I was 6w5 for a while, and then drifted back to 5w6--seeing avarice as a larger issue than fear.

For me *personally* (not wanting to generalize here), I'd say that the following is true.
1.  Some of my aspie traits are probably not related to Type 5 or other E type--i.e. the more physiological issues (e.g. hard recognizing faces, lack of good motor skills as a kid, certain sensitivities to touch, asexuality)--I guess one would have to poll 5s to see how common these are, but I don't think they're hallmarks of 5s.

2.  Some of my aspie traits contradict typical 5 traits.  For example, I'm more "out there" with what I think, what I say. And I don't hoard information.  (Note: I test higher in 8 and 1 than I do in 5...and I think this is because of being less inhibited than are more typical 5s.  Very "what you see is what you get")  

With these caveats, I do think there's a fair bit of overlap between 5ness and aspieness.  Presumably this is due to neurological wiring. That is, if the Enneagram types are at all real, then there's likely to be a biological basis for why someone is a 5 instead of, say, a 2.
My supposition of commonalities between the neurological wiring of 5s and aspies was, indeed, a hypothesis. There's no definitive test for either.  (If there were, there would be far fewer arguments over who are the true 5s and over where one is, or if one is, on the autistic spectrum.

Regarding the serial vs parallelized use of the brain, or use of thinking function vs feeling function as discriminators....um....I think it's more complex than this for both 5s and aspies. Can't get into it now..I'm on my work lunch break Smile

Five....just out of curiousity, what E type would you be most likely to be if you weren't a 5?  And, how do you work your doi to 8?
5w6--We're the BEST type!
(Ha Ha Ha)
I also score high in type 1, and there are days I think I could easily be a 1, when my various forms of rigidity kick in.
Granting that I don't think I'm good at picking out 8s (I don't seem to know many), I definitely got 1 vibes from Yetti while reading her posts and then, when I saw her current picture, my view was reinforced. 1w2 would be my guess. But I could be wrong.  I'll bet you her husband is a 9 or a 5. (If you're reading this, Yetti, and are curious, I'd be interested in hearing about your husband's type).

From the Riso-Hudson web site, http://www.enneagraminstitute.com

Misidentifying Ones and Eights

Both Ones and Eights are in the Instinctive Triad, both have strong wills, both are action-oriented, and both have strong notions about how to do things. However, Ones try to convince others to do the right thing (as they see it) from the standpoint of a moral imperative–because it is the right thing to do. They try to logically convince the other of the soundness of their views, but become irritated and less logical when others resists their reasoning. Eights, on the other hand, rely on their own self-confidence, and attempt to sway others by their gutsy convictions and sheer personal charisma. ("I don't know if it's the right way, but it's my way.") Ones try to convert those who resist them: Eights try to power through them.

The greatest misunderstanding between these two types involves their concern with justice, although the nature of their sense of justice can be quite different. Ones hold justice as an extremely important value–many judges, attorneys, advocates, and criminal prosecutors actually are Ones. Ones think a great deal about issues of providing suitable standards for human beings and about the specifics of how to administer a fair and equitable system. Ones at all Levels of Development refer to justice and think that they seek justice (no matter how skewed their interpretation of it may become). In any case, justice is a matter of principles–part of their idealism. They strive after justice and want to rectify injustices wherever they find them because, among other reasons, to do otherwise would be to fail to live up to their high moral standards and make them feel guilty.

In Eights, justice is more of a visceral response, a reaction to witnessing injustices occurring. Eights, generally speaking, do not walk around thinking about these matters, but if they saw a helpless person being harmed or bullied by others, without thinking about it, Eights would rush in to "level the playing field." For Eights, justice has little to do with abstract principles. Eights see themselves as protectors of others, and when they are healthy, they actually are. Eights are more likely to seek justice for "their people"–their family, friends, co-workers, ethnic group, and so forth. It is usually expressed in a concern that those in their care (or under their power and authority) be treated fairly. The cowboy marshal protecting the town against criminals and the union chief negotiating a just wage for the rank and file are examples of this more restricted concern for justice. With Eights, the sense of justice usually involves addressing an imbalance of power. This is quite different from the One who seeks to make sure that people are appropriately rewarded for good actions and punished for bad ones.

Of course, in their unhealthy manifestations, both types can be extremely unjust. Ones will still believe that they are being fair–the punishments they are meting out are for the good of the person being punished, or at the very least, for the good of society. Ones feel they need to rationalize their punitive activities. Eights do not. For unhealthy Eights, administering justice is simply meting out vengeance. ("You hurt me or my people, and I'll destroy you." "He ripped me off. Now he has to pay.") Needless to say, others may question the "justice" in either of these types' unhealthy behavior.

The confusion between Eights and Ones probably also stems from the fact that some Ones may misidentify themselves as Eights since they would like to have the authority and influence of Eights. They may also recognize that they have aggressive impulses and misidentify themselves as an "aggressive type," although they are really compliant to their ideals; the Eight is the true aggressive type par excellence. On the other hand, Eights almost never misidentify themselves as Ones, viewing Ones as lily-livered and bloodless–moral only because they are too weak to be strong. Although Eights themselves are unlikely to think they are Ones, other people sometimes misidentify Eights as Ones because they see them as reformers. But clearly, many natural leaders, including Eights, lead reforms when they are needed. Contrasting Ones such as Pope John Paul II, Ralph Nader, and Hilary Clinton with Eights such as Lee Iococca, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Barbara Walters gives a vivid sense of their differences.
If you all want to take a different (somewhat better, I think) test, you can download one from the link below--it's an excel file so you can go back and look at your answers.

http://www.enneagramdimensions.net/whats_my_type.htm

On the other hand, it might be more fun to go see the Harry Potter movie!

(I don't think you're a 2, Yetti.  But if you're an 8, then you have a connection to 2--as you feel safe and fulfilled, you'd be inclined to be generous towards the needs of others.)
Yetti, I kind of doubt that your husband's a 2--I bet he's a 9.  If he thinks that some of every type applies to him, he's more likely to be a 9.  Just my guess.

Five--I'm guessing soc/sp/sx for Yetti.  She found her Mr Right and is happy with him, which Sx last folks are certainly capable of doing.  I'm guessing her major energy thrust is mainly towards the world, hence the strong type 1 score, rather than needing the juice provided by intense one-on-one interactions.  

(Yetti--people discuss others' E type often--it's a way of understanding both people and the system better.....and it's fun.  Hope you're not insulted--I don't get the sense that you mind this.)

Five Wrote:
I wonder... does anybody have thoughts/ideas about how I could make my enneagram knowledge and skills into my work, earn money with it? I have thought many times about, with the result that it remains a hobby only.


I imagine that there will be several people who have done this at the enneagram conference I'm attending soon.  I'll inquire, if the subject seems to come up.  How did they do it? What challenges do they face?  And I'll bet most of the consultants or therapist-types aren't 5s.

Re: line to 8.  I attribute this more to aspieness--I'm missing some of the filters often associated with type 5. My childhood was physically stressful--painful and annoying but non life-threatening health issues.  Emotionally I was fine until about age 12 or so, and then not again until my late 20s or so.

Thanks for sharing your scores, Anbuend.
Batman--try on 6w5 for size.
LOL Max, I'm still learning about various peoples' enneagram theories.  That's why I'm attending the upcoming conference. A lot of my info comes from what people post on the Riso-Hudson enneagram discussion board (EIDB). Some people think you can adopt the wing theory or the trifix theory to add richness to the nine types and thereby explain more facets of personality. Others think you can use both. If you go with trifix, start with your main type and then clockwise to your dominant types in the other two triads. Hence 5-1-2 in my case, 4-6-8 in yours. I haven't seen the theory about trifix as related to parents and siblings discussed. I like the idea of being wounded and hence fixated in each of the three triads--it makes sense to me. And lord knows that I've had to work on type 1 issues in response to criticisms about being too demanding, too critical, too obsessive, too nit-picky.

Five Wrote:
From the table in http://www.breakoutofthebox.com/flauttrichards.htm there are 2 kinds of 5s: INT and IST. Maybe there are 2 kinds of Aspies, the creative ones (INT, more like a 5w4) and the not so creative ones (IST, more like a 5w6).

(I'm an ISTJ with excessive scores for S and T and I'm absolutely not creative).


I score highest on T, high on I, evenly split on J/P, and slightly higher on N

I'm most IS/NTJ-like at work and pretty much INTP in my personal life.

In the general population, INTs could easily be 1s (INTJ), 3s, 5s, 6s, or 9s...2 and 4 being least likely, probably.  If it weren't for some of the odd collection of common physical aspie traits I have (e.g. motor uncoordination, strabismus, sensory sensitivity) I'd just think I was one of those odd duck 5s.
Hi Five
Hey, it turns out that this hotel I'm staying at for the conference has a public computer--yeah!  

Re: myers-briggs types--it depends on what site you read what they say about the correlation with E types.  My opinion is that there are no hard and fast rules--just some generalizations. E.g. 1s are generally Js, 5s are generally introverted thinkers, etc.

Re: EIDB--my advice would be to email katytaylor--this computer won't let me open an new browser page (I hate windows) so I can't look it up.  I think it's katy@enneagraminstitute.com  but if you look around at the site I bet you can find it.  Anyway, you could tell her what your original user name is and ask her if she would please change it to the one you want to use now.  Or, you can ask for help with the second registration you did.  Hope you solve it, it would be fun to see you over there.
Batman....type 6 is inhabited by every Myers-Briggs type.  Not to worry.
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