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Am I being Ignored? Big Grin

Max the Bear Wrote:

Five Wrote:

I wonder... does anybody have thoughts/ideas about how I could make my enneagram knowledge and skills into my work, earn money with it? I have thought many times about, with the result that it remains a hobby only.

Five, where have you studied the Enneagram? or are you self-taught? I've met professionals who certainly don't know more than you do. Are you connected to any of the professional organizations?

Most of the people I know who use the Enneagram as part of their careers are therapists, counselors or coaches. The Personal Strengths Coaching program at San Francisco State University has an Enneagram course as part of its coach certificate curriculum.

The Stanford School of Business also uses it.

Of course I'm sure the San Francisco Bay Area is an Enneagram hotbed.�� Big Grin

Yetti Wrote:

�� Am I being Ignored? Big Grin

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Max the Bear Wrote:

Five Wrote:

I wonder... does anybody have thoughts/ideas about how I could make my enneagram knowledge and skills into my work, earn money with it? I have thought many times about, with the result that it remains a hobby only.

Five, where have you studied the Enneagram? or are you self-taught? I've met professionals who certainly don't know more than you do. Are you connected to any of the professional organizations?

Most of the people I know who use the Enneagram as part of their careers are therapists, counselors or coaches. The Personal Strengths Coaching program at San Francisco State University has an Enneagram course as part of its coach certificate curriculum.

The Stanford School of Business also uses it.

Of course I'm sure the San Francisco Bay Area is an Enneagram hotbed.�� Big Grin

OH well.. I still like ya Max!

Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti, there are a lot of great Enneagram sites in the Internet, and people here that know more about it than I do.

The Ennegram is primarily a practice that leads to self-discovery. Approach it in that spirit.

http://www.enneagram-instrument.org/links.htm

<Diverting Yetti to be more serious successfully>

I prefer Yoga and my lifelong pursuit of stress relief and exercise... and a sense of humour.. I will remain a GDI Plaid

<a little bit of nonsense now and then is cherished by the wisest men>

My husbands former company once used a service like this for NT etc etc. It just cost a lot of money and really did not tell anyone something they already did not know... I don't see where it helped them.. like horoscope stuff. You get these things all the time.. some new gimmick for filing and labeling people's personalities... It does nothing for a company.

energeia Wrote:

It can shed light on certain types of conflicts or disconnects between pairs of individuals. For example, it helped me to realize that my boss is a flaming 7.��Great at visionary, not so great at detail-oriented follow-through.��And a master at reframing conversations or situations.��Stuff that used to bother me I now think is amusing.

IMHO, that is just character .. and one can judge character and not ones soul.  There are other ways but if it helps some aspies.. who am I to blow against the wind.. My philosophy is whatever works for you.

I have a question>

If one is happy in career, fortune, personal life, then why would they need aspie support?  My best friend asked me that.. she is an aspie.. I can tell.. I am of the believe knowledege is power...

She is not happy because of her social situation....
For me... I feel there is always room for improvement, hence I come to these boards, read and go to the real world support groups.

I feel however after a while I have received all I can to a certain degree and just reading and going to the national conferences for new info will be just as good to keep abreast on new developments.

Except for seeing my weak points as an aspie as well as strong points, but in these support groups there seems to be mostly weak points with most there..

I think I will stay until I feel I am not getting enough benefit of education because in all honesty , they get me down with their hostility, lack of ability to get a joke, lacking social skills.. Its like a snake pit!  BOY it tells me  what not to do!

Granted NTs are not the best people in the world.. they have their massive challenges...

Unless I can do something to help besides myself, I Don't feel a need to go.  They are just "Rotten " to be around and at the same time so sad , and I feel those of us who found the way , have the answer, but they have to "wanna" enough to behave if they want help.

I am NOT a therapist, but I have answers... I Just feel at my age, like my friend, who needs the added strife and burden..

IF I want misery , I can just go to a family reunion on my mothers side <G>  There are enough aspies and OCDer to fill a poison bottle.  Snappy, nasty, can't take jokes, can't give jokes, always with a chip on their shoulder.

My husband said to stay until I don't want to go any more.. I Think that sums it up.

Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

energeia Wrote:

It can shed light on certain types of conflicts or disconnects between pairs of individuals. For example, it helped me to realize that my boss is a flaming 7.��Great at visionary, not so great at detail-oriented follow-through.��And a master at reframing conversations or situations.��Stuff that used to bother me I now think is amusing.

IMHO, that is just character .. and one can judge character and not ones soul.��There are other ways but if it helps some aspies.. who am I to blow against the wind.. My philosophy is whatever works for you.

I have a question>

If one is happy in career, fortune, personal life, then why would they need aspie support?��My best friend asked me that.. she is an aspie.. I can tell.. I am of the believe knowledege is power...

She is not happy because of her social situation....��
For me... I feel there is always room for improvement, hence I come to these boards, read and go to the real world support groups.

I feel however after a while I have received all I can to a certain degree and just reading and going to the national conferences for new info will be just as good to keep abreast on new developments.

Except for seeing my weak points as an aspie as well as strong points, but in these support groups there seems to be mostly weak points with most there..

I think I will stay until I feel I am not getting enough benefit of education because in all honesty , they get me down with their hostility, lack of ability to get a joke, lacking social skills.. Its like a snake pit!��BOY it tells me��what not to do!

Granted NTs are not the best people in the world.. they have their massive challenges...

Unless I can do something to help besides myself, I Don't feel a need to go.��They are just "Rotten " to be around and at the same time so sad , and I feel those of us who found the way , have the answer, but they have to "wanna" enough to behave if they want help.

I am NOT a therapist, but I have answers... I Just feel at my age, like my friend, who needs the added strife and burden..

IF I want misery , I can just go to a family reunion on my mothers side <G>��There are enough aspies and OCDer to fill a poison bottle.��Snappy, nasty, can't take jokes, can't give jokes, always with a chip on their shoulder.

My husband said to stay until I don't want to go any more.. I Think that sums it up.

Yetti... you're pretty new to this Aspie thing, and from some of your replies in other threads I can tell that you don't get all aspects of Aspie socialization yet... Living in the NT world for 56 years might have given you an edge over some other Aspies, but it also seems to have made you lose the ability to just take things literally... Aspies are often very literal, and I've noticed you reading stuff into things that absolutely weren't intended that way... that were intended as literal as you can get.
Also, some Aspie humor is different from NT humor... you have to get used to it.
Finally... it's logical for people (especially in support groups) to focus more on their weaknesses and how to deal with them than with their strengths... Unless you like to brag, of course...

FYI... you seem to be saying that most or all Aspies (other than you) are rotten... you're saying this on an Aspie forum... that's likely to not go over well. If you don't feel at home here, you're welcome to go somewhere else where you feel more at home... I'm not telling you to leave... just saying that this forum was not created to be rude to Aspies at large, afaik. Generalizations like that can and do hurt (some) Aspies. Some Aspies are more Aspie than others, some had more support (whether diagnosed or not) during childhood and beyond than others and some hence have better coping skills than others... this is not something to go and act superior over... the people at Cure Autism Now are doing a good enough job of acting superior already.
Sorry if I misunderstood your statements about other Aspies, but my husband got the same impression from reading your posts and I know at least one other Aspie that also did, so if we're misunderstanding you then perhaps it's a good idea to figure out how to be more clear in the future.

Now you are reading into things... Seeming to say is your assumption... no .. I Know there are aspies out there who are not getting diagnosed or treated and are quite happy.. to me a support group is about all the good the bad and the ugly... I am not a negative person but I do get tired of a lot of whining when there is good advice and not just from me... I Like to focus on the positive... all i see is people passing up not only my advice which you are focused on ME as usual... but others good advice... I read a lot of great advice on here only to see the same person go on and on about the same problem...

Support groups also celebrate success and look to the positive to help.. not just misery loves company... And BTW several told me that most who go to these internet or support groups are the ones with the severest problems that many are adusting fine and do not seek these places... I am beginning to think they are right.. It did not come from me but others who are Aspies and NTs..

So stop with Yetti is bragging etc etc.. I think I am getting a lot of good information from all sides and take it all in.... NOthing wrong with being happy! Smile Try it sometimes.. it feels good.

My husband agrees as do many I have talked with ....

I tried starting a positive support group and I basically get are the ODDs and people who never take advice.. its incessant complaints... NO JOY!

One kid on this line talked about his getting scholarship... I did not se many congratuate him as should have...

This is all way too negative for me.. and I think I will be leaving all these forums and support groups... I can go to the conferences myself and learn first hand...

Some just want to blame others and stay miserable all their lives esp the adults... and look for company who share the same misery , not to help but to pat each other on the back that no there is no hope...

It gets old!

Yetti Wrote:

Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

energeia Wrote:

It can shed light on certain types of conflicts or disconnects between pairs of individuals. For example, it helped me to realize that my boss is a flaming 7.��Great at visionary, not so great at detail-oriented follow-through.��And a master at reframing conversations or situations.��Stuff that used to bother me I now think is amusing.

IMHO, that is just character .. and one can judge character and not ones soul.��There are other ways but if it helps some aspies.. who am I to blow against the wind.. My philosophy is whatever works for you.

I have a question>

If one is happy in career, fortune, personal life, then why would they need aspie support?��My best friend asked me that.. she is an aspie.. I can tell.. I am of the believe knowledege is power...

She is not happy because of her social situation....��
For me... I feel there is always room for improvement, hence I come to these boards, read and go to the real world support groups.

I feel however after a while I have received all I can to a certain degree and just reading and going to the national conferences for new info will be just as good to keep abreast on new developments.

Except for seeing my weak points as an aspie as well as strong points, but in these support groups there seems to be mostly weak points with most there..

I think I will stay until I feel I am not getting enough benefit of education because in all honesty , they get me down with their hostility, lack of ability to get a joke, lacking social skills.. Its like a snake pit!��BOY it tells me��what not to do!

Granted NTs are not the best people in the world.. they have their massive challenges...

Unless I can do something to help besides myself, I Don't feel a need to go.��They are just "Rotten " to be around and at the same time so sad , and I feel those of us who found the way , have the answer, but they have to "wanna" enough to behave if they want help.

I am NOT a therapist, but I have answers... I Just feel at my age, like my friend, who needs the added strife and burden..

IF I want misery , I can just go to a family reunion on my mothers side <G>��There are enough aspies and OCDer to fill a poison bottle.��Snappy, nasty, can't take jokes, can't give jokes, always with a chip on their shoulder.

My husband said to stay until I don't want to go any more.. I Think that sums it up.

Yetti... you're pretty new to this Aspie thing, and from some of your replies in other threads I can tell that you don't get all aspects of Aspie socialization yet... Living in the NT world for 56 years might have given you an edge over some other Aspies, but it also seems to have made you lose the ability to just take things literally... Aspies are often very literal, and I've noticed you reading stuff into things that absolutely weren't intended that way... that were intended as literal as you can get.
Also, some Aspie humor is different from NT humor... you have to get used to it.
Finally... it's logical for people (especially in support groups) to focus more on their weaknesses and how to deal with them than with their strengths... Unless you like to brag, of course...

FYI... you seem to be saying that most or all Aspies (other than you) are rotten... you're saying this on an Aspie forum... that's likely to not go over well. If you don't feel at home here, you're welcome to go somewhere else where you feel more at home... I'm not telling you to leave... just saying that this forum was not created to be rude to Aspies at large, afaik. Generalizations like that can and do hurt (some) Aspies. Some Aspies are more Aspie than others, some had more support (whether diagnosed or not) during childhood and beyond than others and some hence have better coping skills than others... this is not something to go and act superior over... the people at Cure Autism Now are doing a good enough job of acting superior already.
Sorry if I misunderstood your statements about other Aspies, but my husband got the same impression from reading your posts and I know at least one other Aspie that also did, so if we're misunderstanding you then perhaps it's a good idea to figure out how to be more clear in the future.

Now you are reading into things... Seeming to say is your assumption... no .. I Know there are aspies out there who are not getting diagnosed or treated and are quite happy.. to me��a support group is about all the good the bad and the ugly... I am not a negative person but I do get tired of a lot of whining when there is good advice and not just from me... I Like to focus on the positive... all i see is people passing up not only my advice which you are focused on ME as usual... but others good advice... I read a lot of great advice on here only to see the same person go on and on about the same problem...

Support groups also celebrate success and look to the positive to help.. not just misery loves company... And BTW several told me that most who go to these internet or support groups are the ones with the severest problems that many are adusting fine and do not seek these places... I am beginning to think they are right.. It did not come from me but others who are Aspies and NTs..

So stop with Yetti��is bragging etc etc.. I think I am getting a lot of good information from all sides and take it all in.... NOthing wrong with being happy! Smile Try it sometimes.. it feels good.

My husband agrees as do many I have talked with ....

I tried starting a positive support group and I basically get are the ODDs and people who never take advice.. its incessant complaints... NO JOY!

One kid on this line talked about his getting scholarship... I did not se many congratuate him as should have...

This is all way too negative for me.. and I think I will be leaving all these forums and support groups... I can go to the conferences myself and learn first hand...

Some just want to blame others and stay miserable all their lives esp the adults... and look for company who share the same misery , not to help but to pat each other on the back that no there is no hope...

It gets old!

My NT husband read your posts and he said... they can't see the forrest for the trees. They will just pull you down and that is just what they want.

Too bad you and your husband see joy and happiness as bragging? How sad.

Five Wrote:

Yetti, is this what you mean: if a person is miserable, and another person feels sorry for that, then in a way you double the crying and weeping. On the other hand, if you solve the problem of the miserable person, you end up with 2 happy persons. If someone is hungry, give him bread, not pity.

Yup! exactly

Yetti Wrote:

Five Wrote:

Yetti, is this what you mean: if a person is miserable, and another person feels sorry for that, then in a way you double the crying and weeping. On the other hand, if you solve the problem of the miserable person, you end up with 2 happy persons. If someone is hungry, give him bread, not pity.

Yup! exactly

Thank YOU FIVE! Someone gets it!

anbuend Wrote:

What Five said makes sense.

But it also only makes sense if the solutions offered actually match the problems in question.��

It is a problem to refuse to do something when there is a way to do it.

It is also a problem to offer solutions that do not fit the problem and then complain (when people are not jumping up and down with gratitude for your solution) that nobody wants to solve their problems.

Imagine the "teach a man to fish..." analogy.

One person sees the hungry person and only gives pity.��That is a problem.

Another person sees the hungry person and gives them fish.��That is better than the first person, and possibly a temporary solution, but still could be a problem if the hungry person is capable of getting their own fish.

A third person tries to teach the hungry person to fish.��This third person does so by telling the hungry person to hang a fishing net in the tree next to their house.��The hungry person says, "But there are no fish in the air."��The third person gets disgruntled with the hungry person and says "Don't be so negative, do you want fish or don't you?"

The fourth person actually shows the hungry person how to catch fish in the lake by the house.

The tricky part is that the third person is dead certain that he's actually identical to the fourth person.

I see your point but I don't see many people inquiring further how to fish... you try to communicate and in a week they are back with self pity and I can't do it.. or avoidance to solve the problem...

This forum does not lend itself to a learning environment.

As I stated many times.. I am not a therapist nor do I wish to be.. but it frustrates me to see this going on over and over... I think I am best just tending to my own needs in the R world and at national conferences than things like this... Too many who use these forums for other things... than education... or self improvement.

Take care all!.. I think I have learned positively all I can here...

Five Wrote:

Don't forget to read Gurdjieff.

I won't I kept the title and name Wink The conference for Aspergers was last week.. so I will wait till next year.. I am going to the OCD conference this weekend... This way I get the latest news on the OCD and Asperger's, a vacation, and a drink or two at the bar.

I will keep my name here if anyone wants to write... and will check it periodically.. Thanks for a lot of information... I have no regrets coming here.. Time for me to move on to new territory.... Take care everyone.. hope the best for all.

Took 2 tests linked in this thread.

One said most likely a 5, 9w8 taking wings into account. The other gave me this:

Type 1 = 4
Type 2 = 1
Type 3 = 3
Type 4 = 4
Type 5 = 8
Type 6 = 4
Type 7 = 3
Type 8 = 2
Type 9 = 7

I took the first test a couple of days ago. I took pretty much all the tests a couple of days ago. I figured I'd see if it would replicate at a different time of day on a different type of day. Pretty consistent.

Type 1 - 13.3
Type 5 - 12.7
Type 7 - 10.3
Type 9 - 9.3
Type 8 - 8.7
Type 4 - 8.7
Type 3 - 8.3
Type 2 - 8
Type 6 - 7.7

Wing 1w9 - 18
Wing 1w2 - 17.3
Wing 5w4 - 17.1
Wing 5w6 - 16.6
Wing 9w1 - 16
Wing 4w5 - 15.1
Wing 2w1 - 14.7
Wing 7w8 - 14.7
Wing 7w6 - 14.2
Wing 6w5 - 14.1
Wing 8w7 - 13.9
Wing 9w8 - 13.7
Wing 8w9 - 13.4
Wing 4w3 - 12.9
Wing 6w7 - 12.9
Wing 3w4 - 12.7
Wing 3w2 - 12.3
Wing 2w3 - 12.2

I don't understand the wings although I can see definite Ones in my personality!

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