Aspies For Freedom

I'm 1w9.

Oh, and my variant is:

Self-preservation variant

People of the self-preservation variant are generally trying to be comfortable and independent. Their well-being is very important to them, so they pay much attention to their health, house and financial position. They are less interested in interpersonal contact, and are typically less spontaneous and don't show as much emotion as people of the other two subtypes of their enneagram type.

"Enneagram type 5 - The Investigator: People of this personality type essentially fear that they don't have enough inner strength to face life, so they tend to withdraw, to retreat into the safety and security of the mind where they can mentally prepare for their emergence into the world. "

At the risk of sounding like Shirley Maclaine I'll pass along what a very saintly, very in the loop spiritually, woman is quoted as saying some years ago:

The autistic were soldiers in their last life so are battle-weary and not too happy to be back in the body.

Now I assume she was probably talking about the profoundly autistic, but I don't know. It may explain the gender confusion I sometimes see and hear about with female Aspies.

I mention this because Gurdjieff, whom you mention, based his enneagram comments on eastern metaphysics- what was known at the time- so maybe you and others in this forum would be open to a remark like the above. He thoroughly researched and read about Eastern mysticism, astrology, Buddhism, etc. He was probably on the spiritual path himself.

Also, I believe some Aspies and HFAs (as well as some ADHD kids) are part of an important group soul migration that began in earnest about 1980 (other souls have been "coming in" for decades but in smaller numbers). They are here to change the status quo quite frankly, because they have both the desire (a certain purity and inability to keep promulgating bullsh** as is the world's wont) and characteristics (they learn differently, are primarily right-brained, etc.) to make it happen. Google "indigo, rainbow, crystal" children.

My own Aspie is an indigo and I have a nephew who is an indigo. Their primary characteristics are a type of purity, inability to lie, inability to bow and scrape before authority, a certain inherent sense of entitlement (because they know their great spiritual status on a subconscious level imo). I have read and heard that many teachers and doctors who have noticed that these children are very different from the norm that way say they feel they ARE spiritually superior to the norm- miles ahead of the average NT soul I guess.

In any case concepts like the enneagram (I am a "helper" btw) only point to WHY we are here this lifetime in terms of what our soul needs to accomplish in order to move forward in a big way, which is everyone's goal no matter what their religion (or lack thereof).

I probably wouldn't believe ANY of the above (I was raised by a scientist) if I hadn't learned about Avatar Meher Baba when 30 years old. That led to my embarking upon my own metaphysical journey then and intense reading and studying of these matters (every night almost for another 20 years til the present). But I only really pay attention to what great souls (Gandhi, etc.)/THE avatar (Jesus, Buddha, Ram, etc., there is only one) /perfect masters (Sai Baba in India, etc.) have said about these concepts and really no one else. If the rank and file like the authors of "The Secret", say, confirm in some direct or indirect way what I have already read from souls I feel to be impeccable then I just stash it away in my brain as likely also true. But I try very hard not to repeat any of it as I am still not CERTAIN of its accuracy.

Having said that, the great souls above never mentioned indigo children, but much has been said and written about certain other, similar group soul migrations by them and others, hence my openness about it.

Gurdijeff was authentic and given the seal of approval by Meher Baba (in an offhand comment once) so I believe in the enneagram but I still don't obsess over it. Astrology I pay attention to about 40%, but that 40% I am sure about!

the number one thing that defines you is your spiritual status which is contigent on the number and type of your sanskaras (mental impressions). The latter are the result of your past lives, but can be overcome, disposed of in the end...

I am digressing  and possibly proselytzing big time. Sorry.

Enneagram - any way to take that online?  I'd love to know what my score is, given I am a INTJ on Myers-Briggs.  According to Wikipedia,  that, and the Asperger, make me a certified nerd.

well i don't know much about this (im gonna research more) yes i think the AS id related whit enneagram types 4 (a little) 5 and 6

Why do you think Gandhi was a great soul? He was anti-technology, that doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Gandhi was a mahatma which means great soul. He wasn't perfect, but he was great, undoubtedly.

About Sai Baba in India: there are 2 Sai Baba's but I assume you mean the more recent person. I see him as an illusionist, not a master. Are you really convinced Sai Baba is authentic?

The more recent Sai Baba is as you say an illusionist, able to manipulate reality to a certain extent but clearly a fraud in many respects. He is misusing his powers from what I understand....

I have read "The Secret" by Osho. Probably you refer to another book with the same name. Who are the authors?

I meant the recent The Secret book but I will check out the Osho book. BTW, a psychic I went to recently for fun in Sedona, Arizona was trained in "Osho" in Pune, India- any connection?

About believing in the enneagram: I see the enneagram as a model, not as a reality. But a model which is very useful for me, which works well. To understand myself and others, to avoid unnecessary conflicts.
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the enneagram probably only points to what you plan to work on in this lifetime. I tested as a helper (which I can't seem to resist very often!!!).

I am most likely a type 6.

Taking wings into account, I seem to be a 6w5.

Thats what I get but I say it should be: 5w6.

"Yes, I meant the guy formerly known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, now known as Osho. I considered starting a thread about him but there is no connection with Aspieness and I expect too few people would be interested."
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Five: Do you think these psychics channel Rajneesh or are they trained by him?

I see religious masters is one of your main interests. Mine too.

Can you just post it all in a nutshell..<G> liek 1, 2, 3, 4,5,? <G>

I found it.. Yeah I am and "DOer" and "Improver" type...

Type 5 - 10
Type 9 - 8.3
Type 8 - 7.3
Type 1 - 7.3
Type 4 - 7.3
Type 6 - 5.7
Type 3 - 5.3

Wing 5w4 - 13.7
Wing 5w6 - 12.8
Wing 4w5 - 12.3
Wing 9w1 - 12
Wing 9w8 - 12
Wing 8w9 - 11.4
Wing 1w9 - 11.4
Wing 6w5 - 10.7
Wing 4w3 - 9.9
Wing 8w7 - 9.4
Wing 3w4 - 8.9
Wing 1w2 - 8.8
Wing 6w7 - 7.8
Wing 3w2 - 6.8

I'm a 5w4.

It's interesting that mostly we're scoring into the 5th, no?

Yetti... you're pretty new to this Aspie thing, and from some of your replies in other threads I can tell that you don't get all aspects of Aspie socialization yet... Living in the NT world for 56 years might have given you an edge over some other Aspies, but it also seems to have made you lose the ability to just take things literally... Aspies are often very literal, and I've noticed you reading stuff into things that absolutely weren't intended that way... that were intended as literal as you can get.
Also, some Aspie humor is different from NT humor... you have to get used to it.
Finally... it's logical for people (especially in support groups) to focus more on their weaknesses and how to deal with them than with their strengths... Unless you like to brag, of course...

FYI... you seem to be saying that most or all Aspies (other than you) are rotten... you're saying this on an Aspie forum... that's likely to not go over well. If you don't feel at home here, you're welcome to go somewhere else where you feel more at home... I'm not telling you to leave... just saying that this forum was not created to be rude to Aspies at large, afaik. Generalizations like that can and do hurt (some) Aspies. Some Aspies are more Aspie than others, some had more support (whether diagnosed or not) during childhood and beyond than others and some hence have better coping skills than others... this is not something to go and act superior over... the people at Cure Autism Now are doing a good enough job of acting superior already.
Sorry if I misunderstood your statements about other Aspies, but my husband got the same impression from reading your posts and I know at least one other Aspie that also did, so if we're misunderstanding you then perhaps it's a good idea to figure out how to be more clear in the future.

I'm having mixed feelings about this, to be honest. On the one hand, Yetti's said useful and funny stuff, on the other hand, there are some things that I do not like...

I pretty much agree with everything anbuend has written on this page... I don't have problems with Yetti mentioning her happy marriage (I've mentioned myself that I've got a wonderful husband, so I'm sorta guilty of the same thing), but I do mind the "The Aspies I see here are 'rotten'" part, and all the whining about how people don't want to be helped. Just quit bothering with the people that don't want to be helped! Also, some people here have things like depression as a comorbid, which makes following through on help pretty difficult. I don't know whether you've ever been depressed, but it can really make life very difficult. Personally, if I ask someone for advice and get some and don't follow up on it, it tends to be because I don't fully understand the advice but don't know how to ask for more detailed help. W/e...

I have taken several enneagram tests (both online and in books), and I always come up as a five (with four usually in second place).

Cheers,

Mark

I'm fascinated by the enneagram.  I've taken the test several times weeks and months apart and always come out as a 4 with a 5 wing.