It would seem that I hit the 5w6 category as well, even though there are other potential categories I could fit into.
Under safe circumstances you should see a shift from "an environment which is affecting you" to "you influencing the environment/people" (5 to 8). If you know this, you can use it and turn it around: start influencing the environment and as a result feel more safe (5 to 8). That's the opposite of withdrawal.
Under safe circumstances you can relax, let go, focus more on trivial things, want to avoid conflicts (6 to 9).
Under stress you could be mentally very active, having the idea there isn't enough time (5 to 7).
Under stress you become more selfconscious, worry about what people think of you (6 to 3).
Five, where have you studied the Enneagram? or are you self-taught? I've met professionals who certainly don't know more than you do. Are you connected to any of the professional organizations?
I'm self-taught, never followed a training for this and not connected to an organization.
Most of the people I know who use the Enneagram as part of their careers are therapists, counselors or coaches. The Personal Strengths Coaching program at San Francisco State University has an Enneagram course as part of its coach certificate curriculum.
Something like working in a personal strenghts coaching program is a possibility I'm thinking of. Especially for business people because I have experience to work in a big company, I know their problems.
I don't think these organizations need a lot of people, but on the other hand, I need only 1 job. It will require maybe more of my social skills, and talking skills than I have. I can't wait too long with changing jobs otherwise they might say I'm too old.
Initially I wanted to start my own company, but I need a partner who is good at acquiring customers. Probably the money I would make is less than now.
Stuff that used to bother me I now think is amusing.
Exactly. Sometimes people ask me: why are you smiling? I say: Oh, just nothing
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About the added value of the enneagram:
I'm convinced of that. It helped me get a job; actively creating positive feedback and keep the job, becoming independent financially; manage my feelings in private time. In short, the enneagram helped me to become more succesful and happier. And it is pure fun as a hobby.
Yetti, I appreciate that you say openly what you really think (but that's no surprise from an 8). I understand it is hard to convince others of the added value. I'm not saying there is little added value for companies, I'm just saying I know it is hard to convince them. I expect this will change in time.
You did.
Energeia, I agree.
Enjoy the conference.
Ando, I think it's possible to be a 3 and aspie, although not common. There are 2 kinds of 3s: like a 7 (doing supports thinking) or like a 8 (thinking supports doing).
"Five" (original poster of this thread) suggested I might be a 6. Energeia, many months ago, you said I might be a 6.
What do you guys think about this?
Is 6 fairly common on the spectrum?
The only information we have is written texts and answers from people, so there is a risk of typing persons wrongly. But having said that, I think Batman55 is a 6. One thing you do, Batman55, is ask a lot of questions (like type 6, the questioner), but I see many more clues. By the way, there are 2 kinds of 6 (like a 1, feeling supports doing, or like a 2, doing supports feeling).
Batman55: another way of typing people is my own feeling about them, whether I like them or not, and in what degree, and why.
To check your type: in what circumstances do you postpone something? For example, I postpone when I don't know enough to act, have insufficient information. When do you postpone?
Is 6 fairly common on the spectrum?
I can be wrong, but from what I've seen many people here are 6s, I have seen both men and women here. I don't think it is good to mention their names until they start posting in this thread.
6s do one thing continuously: they doubt. That's also a strength, it's a scientific attitude.
4s postpone when something is boring, when they are not in the mood.
6s postpone when they have to take a profile, when they have to act as an authority.
I recently saw an enneagram book and did not buy it because Lady Diana was, in my opinion, wrongly typed in it. The book said she's a 4, but I don't think so.
To my surprise I see Riso also mistyped her, as a 6:
http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/enfame.htm
I won't say yet what type I think she really is. What do all of you think?
Helen Palmer said I was absolutely, unequivocally a
3
So the system conveniently accounts for any traits you have that are in any other type that your own,
Excellent, you understand, you are very rational.
therefore being impossible to prove wrong.
That's why I like it, because I'm always right this way (just joking).
Everybody has all traits and all types, but not in the same ratio. And it's a dynamic system so not all traits are present in any situation.
Re: Princess Di--I don't know all that much about her. But I could see type 2 as a possibility. I get the impression that she was not an especially wanted child--she had some older sisters. She was looking for love, and the idea of being mated to royalty might have been appealing to a 2 (ego-flattery). But, she didn't receive love--I'm guessing that she tried various A, B, C strategies to no avail....and then went to 8 in major ways. She stood up to the queen by virtue of doing her AIDS outreach and other activities. She saw a need and decided to fill it.
That's what I thought, a 2.
In my view, the enneagram is a very useful model of the mind. The mind is a very complex biological mechanism. But people are more than their minds (I like the word being but you can call it soul). People have a subjective factor, people are more than complex moving objects. The enneagram describes only the mechanical, unconscious part of us. The more healthy a person, the more conscious/aware, the more flexible in their behavioural patterns, the harder to determine their type (because healthy people are more rooted in their subjective factor, they use their mind, their bio-computer, instead of being used by it). My interest in the subjective factor made me interested in religions, to compliment my interest in the enneagram.
I think the preferred version of a model (enneagram is a model, not reality) is the most simplest version of the model that can explain observations and do predictions. In this way, I use the wing theory a lot, but never the trifix theory. In my opinion, trifix is not really needed.
The 2 in me comes from this: everybody has all types, but we have an innate preference for 1 type. Other types show up dependent on the circumstances, such as stress, no stress or other circumstances. The definition of stress is different for everybody. The less used types in a person need very specific circumstances to show up. I need to be in a safe situation for about 2 days or longer, feeling like an 8, before I see altruistic type 2 behaviour. All types together in a person behave somewhat like a team, in a way we are more than one person.
From the table in
http://www.breakoutofthebox.com/flauttrichards.htm there are 2 kinds of 5s: INT and IST. Maybe there are 2 kinds of Aspies, the creative ones (INT, more like a 5w4) and the not so creative ones (IST, more like a 5w6).
(I'm an ISTJ with excessive scores for S and T and I'm absolutely not creative).
Interesting stuff , I have actually never heard about it before.
One way to look at the enneagram is this way:
It is a model, a system, a theory. Of mind, of your and other people's psychology. So especially for people who don't have very good social skills for whatever reason, and for autistic people without a good Theory of Mind, it can be really helpful to understand motivations for behaviour.
But don't confuse the enneagram with reality, it is a useful model, not reality. Otherwise the number of different people would be limited, while in reality there is only one you, incomparably unique.